Originally posted by The Omega
😮The problem is: What IS natural anyways??
We humans have placed ourselves so far away from “nature” that the term has no real meaning. Are cars, planes, condoms, glasses, prosthesis, chemical drugs, nylon, TV, loudspeakers and gasoline NATURAL?
If I lived during the stone-ages I’d have died, being very short-sighted… I’d have mistaken a sabre tooth for a rock and that would’ve been it.
We let people live who’d “naturally” have died in the “natural” world. We help people who could not normally have kids due to some “malfunctioning” in their “natural” ability to procreate, you can buy pills if you can't get "it" to perform.Homosexuality's been around a lot longer than viagra, so it's more natural!
Love, desire and lust ARE natural -
That is the most ludicrous bullshit I've read in a while.
"Homosexuality's been around a lot longer than viagra, so it's more natural! " 😆 .....no.
You can't expect me to really take you seriously, do you?
Sex is natural between a man and a woman.
(We've done this dance before, but it seems you need a refresher course.)
Men have penis. Women have vagina. Men have sperm. Women have ovaries.
Our bodies VERY FUNCTIONS of sex show us that we are meant to have sexual intercourse with the opposite sex.
You know it's true.
You don't have your period every month becuase your eggs were unfertilized by a woman.
You can try to justify your shit argument by saying that "natural" is a relative term nowadays, but your bloody tampon in the toilet knows better.
(So do you, sub-consciously, when you toss it.)
Homosexual sex is un-natural. Heterosexual sex is natural.
This is the way of the world, the way of biology, and the way of life.
It was so before the invention of cars, planes, comdoms, glasses, prosthesis, chemical drugs, nylon, TV, loudspeakers, and gasoline.
It is still so now after those inventions, and nothing can change it.
Certainly not those invetions, which are made for comfort, entertainment, or the improving the quality of life.
Yes, life is lived less than natural with those things, but the mere invention of them does not change human sexuality.
Nor can you really hope to show a correlation of those inventions changing normal life to homosexuality changing biology's defintions of human sexuality.
At least not if you plan on sounding intelligent, even in the slightest degree.
What you are saying is based off of pure EMOTIONALISM, and nothing else.
You want gay sex to be natural, becuase you want people to do whatever they feel like.
You believe that "people doing whatever feels good." is a supreme truth, and you would do anything to support that viewpoint.
Including emotional, irrational statements that fly in the face of biology, logic, and reason like:
" Homosexuality's been around a lot longer than viagra, so it's more natural! " (or cars, planes, peg legs, etc..)
Weren't you the one who started a thread about debating properly?
😖mart:
Oddly enough, a Christian, a supporter of 'Intelligent Design" is trying to use science now to debunk homosexuality. How...ironic.
What's really cool is that women don't need men to reproduce anymore. A lesbian couple can have DNA from one implanted into the egg of the other and they have a newborn baby girl.
With the invention of the vibrator, and now this, men are almost becoming obsolete. Thank **** there are still bisexual women.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oddly enough, a Christian, a supporter of 'Intelligent Design" is trying to use science now to debunk homosexuality. How...ironic.What's really cool is that women don't need men to reproduce anymore. A lesbian couple can have DNA from one implanted into the egg of the other and they have a newborn baby girl.
With the invention of the vibrator, and now this, men are almost becoming obsolete. Thank **** there are still bisexual women.
Yeah, but until they can all fix their cars, squash bugs, reach the top shelf, fight wars, and pick up things that are "icky", we still have a purpose.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You can't expect me to really take you seriously, do you?
I don't expect you will take anyone who sees the situation differently than you do, seriously.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Sex is natural between a man and a woman.
You first have to totally define "natural". And, in that regards, "natural" has not been proven by either science or religion. Look, keep arguing your point, as though is were substantiated by the scientific standard all you want. Or by nature for that matter. And you know, the approval of science or religion is not required. That's the simple point you repeatedly fail to comprehend. I don't need the approval of your self-imposed god to exist. I do. And the really sad part is that I always will...not individually, but as a segment of the population. You can end pedophilia. You can end bestiality. But you will never eradicate homosexuality. It’s been around as long as heterosexuality. And there's nothing you, or your god, can do about it. Deal with it. Demonize it all you will, but it will still be here for you to demonize, generation after generation after generation. So, teach your kids hate now, because it is all that will save them after you’re gone.
here sith, let me help you out with some links to help support your arguments-
www.godhatesfags.com
www.phrenology.org
That was a bunch of blah-blah-blah whinning and posturing that had NOTHING to do with your guys point of view, and further still did NOTHING to make me or anyone else believe that straight sex is unnatural and/or gay sex is natural.
And for Arachnoid freak, yeah all that shit is true about vibrators and ensimiation, but that doesn't make it natural.
Or right.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
That was a bunch of blah-blah-blah whinning and posturing that had NOTHING to do with your guys point of view, and further still did NOTHING to make me or anyone else believe that straight sex is unnatural and/or gay sex is natural.And for Arachnoid freak, yeah all that shit is true about vibrators and ensimiation, but that doesn't make it natural.
Or right.
Oh, I assure you, I am not trying to convince you of a damn thing.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
That was a bunch of blah-blah-blah whinning and posturing that had NOTHING to do with your guys point of view, and further still did NOTHING to make me or anyone else believe that straight sex is unnatural and/or gay sex is natural.
"Me or anyone else"? Who? Who are you speaking on behalf of here? Did you get permission to speak on their behalf?
Who's said anything about straight sex being unnatural?
What makes you think that one type of sex being natural rules out another being equally natural?
Diamond Bullet failed. Maybe you can do better: What IS natural?
Originally posted by The Omega
"Me or anyone else"? Who? Who are you speaking on behalf of here? Did you get permission to speak on their behalf?Who's said anything about straight sex being unnatural?
What makes you think that one type of sex being natural rules out another being equally natural?
Diamond Bullet failed. Maybe you can do better: What IS natural?
no one knows what is natural even if you think its natural someone is going to say it isnt.
Originally posted by The Omega
"Me or anyone else"? Who? Who are you speaking on behalf of here? Did you get permission to speak on their behalf?Who's said anything about straight sex being unnatural?
What makes you think that one type of sex being natural rules out another being equally natural?
Diamond Bullet failed. Maybe you can do better: What IS natural?
Ooo... let me play devil's advocate on this one.
Let's see...
nat·u·ral ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nchr-l, nchrl)
adj.
1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
2. Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment.
3. Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death.
4. Not acquired; inherent: Love of power is natural to some people.
5. Having a particular character by nature: a natural leader.
6. Biology. Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned: natural immunity; a natural reflex.
7. Characterized by spontaneity and freedom from artificiality, affectation, or inhibitions. See Synonyms at naive.
8. Not altered, treated, or disguised: natural coloring; natural produce.
9. Faithfully representing nature or life.
10. Expected and accepted: “In Willie's mind marriage remained the natural and logical sequence to love” (Duff Cooper).
11. Established by moral certainty or conviction: natural rights.
12. Being in a state regarded as primitive, uncivilized, or unregenerate.
13. Related by blood: the natural parents of the child.
14. Born of unwed parents: a natural child.
15. Mathematics. Of or relating to positive integers, sometimes including zero.
Music.
16. Not sharped or flatted.
17. Having no sharps or flats
On second thought, forget it. Who wants to sort through that bullshit term just to defend their argument?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
That was a bunch of blah-blah-blah whinning and posturing that had NOTHING to do with your guys point of view, and further still did NOTHING to make me or anyone else believe that straight sex is unnatural and/or gay sex is natural.And for Arachnoid freak, yeah all that shit is true about vibrators and ensimiation, but that doesn't make it natural.
Or right.
That doesn't really matter. What does matter is that there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop it.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
That doesn't really matter. What does matter is that there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop it.
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Dear Senator:
Marriage has historically been the union of one man and one woman. Its
benefits for children and for society are incalculable. Protecting traditional
marriage is not rooted in discrimination — as some might try to convince you.
It is rooted in common sense, for the common good. For marriage to flourish
in our culture, it must be protected from redefinition.
Therefore, as your constituent, I respectfully request that you support
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Just print, fill out, and mail stuff like that for people that I meet on the streets.
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Write to Arnold, a conservative govennor, and tell him to pass the bill.
You know, stuff like that. 🙂
Originally posted by sithsaber408
INSTRUCTIONS
1. Print this page.
2. Write your name and full address in the spaces provided (this will ensure your senators reply to
you and know you are a constituent).
3. Cut out each card and enclose in an envelope.
4. Find your senators’ addresses on the address list provided. Address each envelope, affix proper
postage, and mail to your senators.Dear Senator:
the Marriage Protection Amendment, and that you support all
Marriage has historically been the union of one man and one woman. Its
benefits for children and for society are incalculable. Protecting traditional
marriage is not rooted in discrimination — as some might try to convince you.
It is rooted in common sense, for the common good. For marriage to flourish
in our culture, it must be protected from redefinition.
Therefore, as your constituent, I respectfully request that you support
[B]S.J. Res. 1,
procedural measures to bring the amendment to a floor vote.
Sincerely,
PLEASE FILL OUT
AND MAIL TODAY!
name
city state zip
addressJust print, fill out, and mail stuff like that for people that I meet on the streets.
(me, my whole church of 300, and many more churches with many thousands of members have already filled out ours and sent them in.)
Write to Arnold, a conservative govennor, and tell him to pass the bill.
You know, stuff like that. 🙂
[list=1][*]This amendment stalled in Congress last year when neither chamber came close to the required two-thirds majority needed to pass a constitutional amendment, and is likely to receive even less support this year.
[*]This proposal does not protect marriage, it hurts hard-working gay and lesbian families by taking away things like their health care. All Americans deserve the full protection and support of the government, including same-sex couples and the over 3 million children being raised by them.[/list]
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list=1][*]This amendment stalled in Congress last year when neither chamber came close to the required two-thirds majority needed to pass a constitutional amendment, and is likely to receive even less support this year.[*]This proposal does not protect marriage, it hurts hard-working gay and lesbian families by taking away things like their health care. All Americans deserve the full protection and support of the government, including same-sex couples and the over 3 million children being raised by them.[/list]
1. You certainly hope so.
2. Boo-f*cking hoo.
what of the sanctity of "family" as in family.org? its starting to seem that "family" is a euphamism and banner word for extreme right wing facist scumbags. can i just go after them, and start posting cut and paste "anti-'family' facist" letters supporting a bill which i never even read?
"family" is about love, care, and support for those closest to you, not attacking and taking away from other families which don't effect you in the least. common sense, right?
*stands on soapbox and grabs megaphone*
WE NEED TO SAVE THE AMERICAN FAMILY FROM WINGNUTS!!!
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Boo-f*cking hoo.
to the children? what have those children done to earn your contempt? why do they deserve to have no healthcare? do you not have a soul?
Hey! PVS! Leave that guy alone! If he wants to believe that children don't matter, he can!
It's not like he's gonna go off and fight for the right for...I dunno...foetuses to have lives and not be aborted, act like he cares about how much of his "generation" are lost, only to not care about them when they're actually here, despite them having the chance to be with a loving fa...oh...
...wait. Waiiiit. *Robert de Niro voice and pointing*
Yew....yew're good, yew. No! Yew!
-AC