Originally posted by zephiel7
Why on earth would the game makers even bring in Revan and battle precognition then? The game makers intended to communicate the fact that Revan had battle precognition.
You're jumping to conclusions. Why should we assume everything we hear about Revan from in game personas is neccessarily the case?
And tdtd, you have no such facts. Either put up or shut up.
Originally posted by tdtd
Sorry Wesker there are more facts to prove that Revan>Ulic than the opposite.
More facts?
Like his ability to "beat" Mandalore or Echani with circumstance sunknown? Like his ability to beat Malak with circumstances unknown? Like his ability to beat Rakatans with circumstances unknown?
How does that beat being able to beat Mandalore when he was on top of a beast and had every advantage in the damn book? How does that top stalemating the top dog in the era? How does that top beating a Jedi Knight without access to the force? How does that top being the only Jedi capable of hacking through the forces on Onderon and taking out King Ommin? How does that top dominating in the Beast Wars?
Oh wait. It doesn't top that. It's you who always takes a side than then stacks the deck against the other based on nothing more than your opinion. Learn to prove up.
Originally posted by IKC
Ulic's list, and I may be leaving some out:Warb Null
King Ommin (who was able to own Arca)
Satal Keto
Stalemated a lesser, but still very skilled, Exar Kun
Mandalore, when Mandalore had every advantage
Cay Qel-Droma
Stalemated Sylvar while cut off from the Force.Ulic saber-rapes Revan.
So a none force senstive that isn't really established as anything special
King ommin?
Yes because attacking him from the back makes Ulic a saber god
Satal Keto was a nobody
Exar Kun at that power was beaten by Vodo, you said it yourself there is nothing to suggest his lightsaber skills increased in this time. Exar Kun is not a sabergod at that moment
Mandalore, indeed impressive
Cay Qel Droma, yeah really impressive especially because Cay wanted to fight him so badly
Stalemated Sylvar?
He fought with her and was driven back until at the end he lowered his lightsaber, he didn't stalemate her he was losing.
You're jumping to conclusions. Why should we assume everything we hear about Revan from in game personas is neccessarily the case?And tdtd, you have no such facts. Either put up or shut up.
Wesker, think about it this way. How else are we supposed to learn about Revan? If the game producers start narrating a whole bunch of stuff, that really detracts from the game experience. Its not a novel, its a GAME. The only way they can communicate facts, is blending them in nicely through characters. What better time to portray Revan having battle precognition than when you, the Jedi Exile, are discovered to have it as well.
Originally posted by zephiel7
Wesker, think about it this way. How else are we supposed to learn about Revan? If the game producers start narrating a whole bunch of stuff, that really detracts from the game experience. Its not a novel, its a GAME. The only way they can communicate facts, is blending them in nicely through characters. What better time to portray Revan having battle precognition than when you, the Jedi Exile, are discovered to have it as well.
You're missing the point- we as outsiders cannot just assume that hearsay testimony from Random Character X is somehow to be interpreted as a direct and more importantly accurate hint from the game makers on Revan's canonical abilities. Brianna plainly says that she thinks Revan has something like Echani battle precognition because of his apparent ability. And keep in mind she hasn't met the guy. Just because it's a video game and there's no comic narration boxes doesn't mean we have to conclude that every character is right and telling the truth. That's ridiculous. In the movies, there are no such narration boxes, yet I do not assume that Anakin's overblown analogy of Obi-Wan to the highest jedi masters is pure and unadulterated fact. It's not.
Revan is an unknown. It sucks, I know. I really hope that KOTOR III is more concrete in giving us his powers, but what we have now isn't. Let it go.
Exar Kun at that power was beaten by Vodo, you said it yourself there is nothing to suggest his lightsaber skills increased in this time. Exar Kun is not a sabergod at that moment
Instead of browsing swcomics.com you need to sit down and read them, Fishy. Exar Kun had months of sith lore under his belt and work on Yavin IV before he ever challenged Ulic, and when he did Ulic was wounded and infected by Satal. The fact that he did so well speaks -very- well for him.
Originally posted by Wesker
Instead of browsing swcomics.com you need to sit down and read them, Fishy. Exar Kun had months of sith lore under his belt and work on Yavin IV before he ever challenged Ulic, and when he did Ulic was wounded and infected by Satal. The fact that he did so well speaks -very- well for him.
I read them Janus, when is the last time you have? I already talked about this with IKC, he said it himself. There is no evidence that Exar Kun improved with a lightsaber, his fight against Ulic was a lightsaber fight the force wasn't even involved. So those months of studying Sith Lore make him a powerful force user, not a powerful lightsaber duelist.
Also IKC often claimed that Ulic was still in prime condition when he fought with Exar Kun, unless you two wish to argue differently (in which case I would recommend arguing against him because i'm just saying what he said) he was still in a good condition. The argument for it was quite convincing actually.
And are you going to respond to the rest of my post?
Originally posted by Fishy
I read them Janus, when is the last time you have? I already talked about this with IKC, he said it himself. There is no evidence that Exar Kun improved with a lightsaber, his fight against Ulic was a lightsaber fight the force wasn't even involved. So those months of studying Sith Lore make him a powerful force user, not a powerful lightsaber duelist.Also IKC often claimed that Ulic was still in prime condition when he fought with Exar Kun, unless you two wish to argue differently (in which case I would recommend arguing against him because i'm just saying what he said) he was still in a good condition. The argument for it was quite convincing actually.
And are you going to respond to the rest of my post?
Actually, I'm not. I'm starting to get really irritated with the people around here. I'm not going to convince you with anything I say, and neither will he. It's really wasted effort. And tdtd here is simply out for kicks, antagonizing people. He doesn't debate. He can't. This is really... not worth my time. we've gone over this to the death, and you won't budge, I won't budge, IKC won't budge, and tdtd is just out to joyride.
I need a break from this shit. It' starting to get to me, and I have a lot of things I need to work on that are far more important than this that I've been avoiding. You guys can fight this one out. I'm done.
Wesker you cannot simply state that Revan is a complete unknown when you the force user that you think is the greatest is an even bigger unknown. Ulic did nothing comparable to Revan so do not even try to say that him beating Mandalore etc. was. You cannot just round up all of the TOTJ fanboys and think that you are winning the argument because you have numbers on your side. tdtd and Fishy are right. Revan is simply a lot more powerful. The amount of dark jedi that he killed in the Star Forge is incredible and do not say that it is simple gameplay and therefor my point is moot because it is obvious that the makers of the game intended what Revan did to be as incredible as it seemed in the game. So don't simply say that others who conflict with your view are dumb and can't argue. You are wrong, now just accept that.