Darth Revan vs Ulic Qel Droma

Actually we know a lot more based on in game comments from Malak we know that Revan did fight his way through the star forge destroying droids that would kill even the most powerful in the Jedi Order. We know that the apprentices were send out to kill him, and that he must have faced a few of them. As there are places in the game where he can not continue without fighting them, and we even have in game movies where we see the apprentices block an entrance for Revan to stop him from going there. We know Revan faced a Bastila powered by the Star Forge or three other apprentices there.

The most impressive thing Ulic has ever done was against Mandalore, and that was an impressive fight and I credit him for it, but I do not for a moment think that could put him above Revan. For the rest all we have is fights against weaklings, fights that aren't finished, fights against people that do not want to fight, or fights were he sneaks up on somebody and then kills him.

Brianna's account of Revan was what the game makers were asserting. Otherwise it would be pointless to include a fact like that in her talk with you, the Jedi Exile. Revan hence had echani battle precognition. He has shown it in his duel with Mandalore and Yusanis, when he was fighting by their terms.

I see faulty arguments on both sides. . .

IKC, I do think that you're underestimating Luke and his abilities. You have to take into the account that, unlike the Massassi and other races, the Vong cannot be sensed via the Force, except by those who understand their unique place in it. Meaning that a Jedi's greatest advantage - their amplified senses and precognition - is nullified. And even with that against him, Luke defeated four of the greatest fighters in a warrior race in seconds. This is aside from the hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors he'd slaughtered with a speed that baffled even his niece. And for the record, his unique ability does kill on contact. I apologize for misreading the passage and giving everyone the wrong impression.

However, Fishy, you are horribly underestimating Ulic's capabilities, and misunderstanding the circumstances involved in the fight. Ulic started out standing on a chain, because Mandalore didn't want him to be allowed a footing on solid ground. The said Mandalorian, meanwhile, was happily seated in a Basilisk. You've played KotOR II; you know how the people of Onderon and the warriors on Dxun speak of them. After deflecting the initial blasts head on, he jumped up and destroyed the Basilisk with a stroke of his lightsaber. Mandalore then knocked Ulic off the chain with a swing from his axe-thing, and Ulic landed on another Basilisk that had flown to close. He leapt back up at Mandalore, and floored him.
So you could say that Ulic started out at a supreme disadvantage, and turned the fight completely around. That is an incredible display of saber prowess.

Very good point you're making. However Luke isn't in this thread lol, so your point is great and would serve even more purpose in the Ragnos, DN Luke and Exar Kun run the gauntlet.

Originally posted by Faunus
I see faulty arguments on both sides. . .

IKC, I do think that you're underestimating Luke and his abilities. You have to take into the account that, unlike the Massassi and other races, the Vong cannot be sensed via the Force, except by those who understand their unique place in it. Meaning that a Jedi's greatest advantage - their amplified senses and precognition - is nullified. And even with that against him, Luke defeated four of the greatest fighters in a warrior race in seconds. This is aside from the hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors he'd slaughtered with a speed that baffled even his niece. And for the record, his unique ability does kill on contact. I apologize for misreading the passage and giving everyone the wrong impression.

However, Fishy, you are horribly underestimating Ulic's capabilities, and misunderstanding the circumstances involved in the fight. Ulic started out standing on a chain, because Mandalore didn't want him to be allowed a footing on solid ground. The said Mandalorian, meanwhile, was happily seated in a Basilisk. You've played KotOR II; you know how the people of Onderon and the warriors on Dxun speak of them. After deflecting the initial blasts head on, he jumped up and destroyed the Basilisk with a stroke of his lightsaber. Mandalore then knocked Ulic off the chain with a swing from his axe-thing, and Ulic landed on another Basilisk that had flown to close. He leapt back up at Mandalore, and floored him.
So you could say that Ulic started out at a supreme disadvantage, and turned the fight completely around. That is an incredible display of saber prowess.

Faunus

"The most impressive thing Ulic has ever done was against Mandalore, and that was an impressive fight and I credit him for it, but I do not for a moment think that could put him above Revan."

The fight against Mandalore was damned impressive, and his most impressive fights, all the other fights don't mean much. And yes the fight against Mandalore was really great, but I still fail to see how that would put Ulic above Revan.

You know untill KOTOR III comes out and assuming that is defines Revan's powers we really just have to assume that Ulic would defeat Revan. Not easily but I think he would defeat him.

Originally posted by Veneficus
You know untill KOTOR III comes out and assuming that is defines Revan's powers we really just have to assume that Ulic would defeat Revan. Not easily but I think he would defeat him.

I don't...

Revan doesn't have a lot of confirmed fights and kills, but what he is still surpasses Ulic.

Originally posted by Fishy
I don't...

Revan doesn't have a lot of confirmed fights and kills, but what he is still surpasses Ulic.

Well that's your opinion.

Isn't everything in a vs thread?

Originally posted by Fishy
Isn't everything in a vs thread?

Not when IKC is around. Becuase when IKC speaks you know it is true fact. How can you disagree with a man who refuses to admit he is wrong? 🙄

Originally posted by Veneficus
Not when IKC is around. Becuase when IKC speaks you know it is true fact. How can you disagree with a man who refuses to admit he is wrong? 🙄

The same way you can disagree with a man that does admit he's wrong, it just takes more time...

Fishy is right, from what we know about Revan it is logical to assume that he is more powerful than Ulic.

Here's an idea; just drop the whole thing. We have no canonical information on Revan, save for the fact that he was a Sith Lord. Just hold off on the Revan threads and arguments until KotOR III comes out.

Originally posted by Faunus
Here's an idea; just drop the whole thing. We have no canonical information on Revan, save for the fact that he was a Sith Lord. Just hold off on the Revan threads and arguments until KotOR III comes out.

Exactly.

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