100 HK-47's versus the Geonosis Jedi.

Originally posted by Wesker
Uh, Glentract? If they can just "rip the guns from their hands" how come they didn't do that EVERY SINGLE TIME they encounters battle droids?

Apparently because it's not that easy to do on a battle field.

When they are outnumbered, it's not easy, but when they outnumber an enemy or have the upperhand(notice that the Jedi outnumber the droids 2-1, it should be very possible, unless crappy Jedi Leia is stronger then Mace or Obi-wan.).

Says every source I've ever seen, including the novelisation.

Originally posted by Wesker
Says every source I've ever seen, including the novelisation.

Yeah, but HK droids can lay down enough cover fire to make such a mass coordinated action infeasible. And we can SEE from the battle that took place on Geonosis that the jedi have no concept of tactics and act like a mass of invididuals rather than a disciplined and coordinated strike force. Granted, it's very possible that the jedi could survive this and turn the tide, but I doubt it. One hundred droids firing at over five bolts per second is 15,000 bolts in the air per minute assuming they squeeze the trigger every other second. I don't see 200 glowsticks parrying all that.

Mace Windu alone wins this with his bare hands.

George Lucas isn't a good enough source for you?

Besides I just watched it this afternoon.

Okay.

With one hundred droids all shooting up to five blaster bolts per second, laying down concentrated fire at up to 15,000 blasts a minute, assuming that they push the trigger every other second, I don't see 400-500 glowsticks defending against that.

Happy?

Hk droids would win. In kotor 2, Hk can tell you how to kill Jedi, and says that he has killed many of them in the past. If one Hk unit can do all that, the Jedi are about to be Scourged. They have NO chance whatsoever.

There were more blasts from the other droids.

Droidekas can do about 8 shots a second.

And how many droidekas where in the arena, Guy? The overwhelming majority where those storklike wussified and brainless droids with the accuracy of C-3PO with no arms.

True. If the stupid, Skeleton-like Droids could take out Masters, the Hk's would be overkill.

There were plenty. Considering there was a droid works right there.

How are they horrible? If they were so overwhelming, they would have killed most of the Jedi. But that isn't the question.

The Jedi win. On account of more warriors. And more skilled warriors.

Janus, that's assuming that the HK droids can get a target every other second and that the droids won't be annihaleted by the thousands of deflected blaster bolts.

Plus, that's 15,000 shots per minute. Really not that hard for 200 glow sticks to deflect if you really think about it. 15,000 / 200 = 75 shots per Jedi per minute. That averages to 1.25 shots per second per Jedi. ROTJ Luke deflects shots almost that fast in ROTJ on Endor when being fired upon by that speeder bike.

To say that the average Jedi Knights and Masters are weaker then ROTJ Luke at blaster deflection is something I don't think you believe.

They DID Kill most of the Jedi there Guy! Where have you been?

Then how are they horrible?

Predicted response: Because the Jedi are horrible.

I'm hoping for a certain response.

Heavily outnumbering Jedi who have no tactical ability at all and who use a sucky lightsaber style.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Janus, that's assuming that the HK droids can get a target every other second and that the droids won't be annihaleted by the thousands of deflected blaster bolts.

Plus, that's 15,000 shots per minute. Really not that hard for 200 glow sticks to deflect if you really think about it. 15,000 / 200 = 75 shots per Jedi per minute. That averages to 1.25 shots per second per Jedi. ROTJ Luke deflects shots almost that fast in ROTJ on Endor when being fired upon by that speeder bike.

To say that the average Jedi Knights and Masters are weaker then ROTJ Luke at blaster deflection is something I don't think you believe.

OMg... Glentract, here's your assumptions:

- 15,000 blasts NEED to be aimed at individuals. Obviously you know nothing about the idea of saturation fire.

- That when a volley opens up of over 2,000 blasts within the first few seconds, the jedi will have the skill and luck to reflect them back and hit a man-sized object across an entire arena rivaling a major football stadium.

- Luke blocking a total of perhaps three to six shots from the speeder bike compares to the onslaught of again, over 2,000 shots inside of a minute. Oh, and that the situations are comparable. Luke was able to block that with the blasts coming directly at him from one target under rather minimal pressure, compared to a flat out war of jedi versus HK droids armed to the teeth.

HK droids win.

Originally posted by Wesker
Okay.

With one hundred droids all shooting up to five blaster bolts per second, laying down concentrated fire at up to 15,000 blasts a minute, assuming that they push the trigger every other second, I don't see [b]400-500 glowsticks defending against that.

Happy? [/B]

It took thousands of battle droids (hundreds of super battle droids that do rapid fire without pulling a trigger meaning they could shot more blaster bolts then the HKs could) to defeat 200 Jedi Knights. 100 HK-100s wouldn't be able to defeat them.