Originally posted by Da Pittman
How can the message be perfect when even the ones in the same faith disagree with what is being said, if they message was perfect wouldn’t it be clear to all those that read it?
First and foremost, I really like your avatar!
Any-who... I understand your question. I really do; but, Christian denominations disagree on "peripheral" passages, not core--foundational--passages. When persons ascribe to alternate views of core passages, cults are born! All cults, for example, deny the Trinity--the triune God! And cults base their beliefs on obscure passages. Scripture should be interpreted as a whole. All biblical Christians know this!
In any case, just because someone (or a group of people) force the Bible to reflect their belief system, does that dictate that the Bible was wrong (or unable to communicate its message)? No... of course not! Only someone who has read the Bible would understand this. The Bible is not a source confusion. Hence, the reason why so many distort its views!
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Wouldn’t there be no doubt as to its message, when people of the same faith and beliefs can not even agree on the same message how can those not of the faith even begin to understand?
Aside from Christian denominations, let me put it to you this way: there are people who genuinely have faith in God, the Son, and Holy Spirit.... And they read, study, and interpret the Bible with great care. In other words, they wish that the Word of God teach them.
On the other hand, there are people who read the Bible (with pre-established world-views) and force it to conform to "theirs." It's that simple. Some people, don't even care enough to read the Bible, and yet, they have view (ha ha ha)! It is both pathetic and sad.
Originally posted by ushomefree
First and foremost, I really like your avatar!Any-who... I understand your question. I really do; but, Christian denominations disagree on "peripheral" passages, not core--foundational--passages. When persons ascribe to alternate views of core passages, cults are born! All cults, for example, deny the Trinity--the triune God! And cults base their beliefs on obscure passages. Scripture should be interpreted as a whole. All biblical Christians know this!
What is a biblical Christian?
Originally posted by ushomefreeNASA pic of the day
First and foremost, I really like your avatar!
Originally posted by ushomefreeIf they disagree at all then the message is not perfect, every word and every passage would have to be a clear as crystal and if not then it is not perfect. Even with the passage of about God’s inspiration, why wouldn’t they keep it to “God-Breathed” instead of changing it to a word and meaning that is completely different?
Any-who... I understand your question. I really do; but, Christian denominations disagree on "peripheral" passages, not core--foundational--passages. When persons ascribe to alternate views of core passages, cults are born! All cults, for example, deny the Trinity--the triune God! And cults base their beliefs on obscure passages. Scripture should be interpreted as a whole. All biblical Christians know this!In any case, just because someone (or a group of people) force the Bible to reflect their belief system, does that dictate that the Bible was wrong (or unable to communicate its message)? No... of course not! Only someone who has read the Bible would understand this. The Bible is not a source confusion. Hence, the reason why so many distort its views!
Originally posted by ushomefreeAgain you would be in conflict to Peejayd that says you shouldn’t interpret the Bible, so would you be saying that he doesn’t understand the Bible as you do?
Aside from Christian denominations, let me put it to you this way: there are people who genuinely have faith in God, the Son, and Holy Spirit.... And they read, study, and interpret the Bible with great care. In other words, they wish that the Word of God teach them.On the other hand, there are people who read the Bible (with pre-established world-views) and force it to conform to "theirs." It's that simple. Some people, don't even care enough to read the Bible, and yet, they have view (ha ha ha)! It is both pathetic and sad.
A biblical Christian, in my own words--based on what the Bible has taught me--is someone born of the Holy Spirit--to be, born again. Biblical Christians want to serve God, and so, they have repented, though, they will NEVER be perfect. Biblical Christians want to serve God, and so, they interpret His Word with great care (in order to learn and be more Christ-like). Biblical Christians love God and His Word; and they want to be inspired, not persons re-writing the Bible to conform to their own needs and desires. Understand?
Going back to the link there is this passage:
Timothy 3:16, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
Then their response:
This verse tells us that God inspired all Scripture and that it is profitable to us. It is not just the parts of the Bible that deal with religious doctrines that are inspired, but each and every part from Genesis to Revelation is the very Word of God. Because it is inspired by God, the Scriptures are therefore authoritative when it comes to establishing doctrine, and sufficient for teaching man how be in a right relationship with God, “training in righteousness.” The Bible claims not only to be inspired by God, but to also have the ability to change us and make us “complete,” thoroughly equipped for every good work.
They make no mention of the parts “for reproof” or “for correction” which this would mean that man should correct the word of God?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Da Pittman-Let us slow down for a moment, please. Have you read--let's just say--the New Testament?
Originally posted by ushomefree
A biblical Christian, in my own words--based on what the Bible has taught me--is someone born of the Holy Spirit--to be, born again. Biblical Christians want to serve God, and so, they have repented, though, they will NEVER be perfect. Biblical Christians want to serve God, and so, they interpret His Word with great care (in order to learn and be more Christ-like). Biblical Christians love God and His Word; and they want to be inspired, not persons re-writing the Bible to conform to their own needs and desires. Understand?
No, because you have just described every Christian including Catholics and Mormons. This would make your earlier statement incorrect.
Originally posted by ushomefreeHow could you even make that statement?!?!? You think I'm some sort of dumbass?
Da Pittman-"Re-proof" and "correction," deals with study. Something that you do not do. Is that a false statement?
How does Reproof "the act of criticizing somebody for having done something wrong, or something said as a rebuke" Mean to study?
This would imply that you should use the word of God to criticize others but doesn't it also say not to judge other less you be judged?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Shaky... have you read the entire New Testament? Yes or No?
Yes, and the OT as well, but that was a long time ago. However, it is irrelevant.
For example; I could ask you "Hove you read the Lotus sutra? Well, sense you have not, then how could you know anything?" Do you see how your question is irrelevant?
It makes me think that you are just trying to belittle me.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI don't know how many times I have to say that I have read the Bible many times. 😖
Yes, and the OT as well, but that was a long time ago. However, it is irrelevant.For example; I could ask you "Hove you read the Lotus sutra? Well, sense you have not, then how could you know anything?" Do you see how your question is irrelevant?
It makes me think that you are just trying to belittle me.