Originally posted by tdtd
I HIGHLY doubt the Jedi believed he was going to let himself be arrested. In fact it's more than likely they knew they were in for a fight..
ROTJ Sidious has this.
1. To say that Sidious hasn't touched a saber in 20 years is just plain stupid. Sidious trained dozens of Dark Jedi and they all wielded lightsabers. Do you think they just trained themselves?
2. Sidious has had an extra 20 years to study the force. Yes, he spent most of his time studying the force. The Moffs did most of the work maintaining the Empire.
Do you think that Palpatine could have written three volumes of the Darkside conpendium if he had spent all him time managing his Empire?
3. The only difference in lightsaber skills between DE Sidious and ROTJ Sidious is that DE Sidious has a younger body and a few years of ezperince. DE Sidious was stated as moving so fast that Leia couldn't see them move. All she saw was brief flashes of light. I doubt a younger body made that much of a difference.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
ROTJ Sidious has this.1. To say that Sidious hasn't touched a saber in 20 years is just plain stupid. Sidious trained dozens of Dark Jedi and they all wielded lightsabers. Do you think they just trained themselves?
2. Sidious has had an extra 20 years to study the force. Yes, he spent most of his time studying the force. The Moffs did most of the work maintaining the Empire.
Do you think that Palpatine could have written three volumes of the Darkside conpendium if he had spent all him time managing his Empire?
3. The only difference in lightsaber skills between DE Sidious and ROTJ Sidious is that DE Sidious has a younger body and a few years of ezperince. DE Sidious was stated as moving so fast that Leia couldn't see them move. All she saw was brief flashes of light. I doubt a younger body made that much of a difference.
1. Why is it stupid? Sidious had absolutely no need for a lightsaber for the next 20 years. Sidious trained dozens of dark jedi, ok... Which one of them weilded lightsabers? This is an actual question since I don't know.
2. Sidious had 20 years to study the force but where is there any evidence that he did. If I'm correct, he didn't even visit Korriban til he was reborn. If there is evidence that he studied the force for those 20 years then show it to me please. Also I have yet to find all of the written works of the Dark Side compendium, if it even exists outside of name.
3. We're comparing ROTJ and ROTS Sidous, and ROTS Sidious was noticeably quicker with subpar skills at best. Nobody is arguing how powerful DE Sidious was.
Originally posted by tdtd
1. Why is it stupid? Sidious had absolutely no need for a lightsaber for the next 20 years. Sidious trained dozens of dark jedi, ok... Which one of them weilded lightsabers? This is an actual question since I don't know.
Notice that I said all of them. At least, all of them that I can think of.
Sidious needed to train his students in lightsaber combat. That is a need for it.
Oh, and what need did Mace have for his lightsaber before AOTC? He must have not touched it for 20 years as well.
Originally posted by tdtd
2. Sidious had 20 years to study the force but where is there any evidence that he did. If I'm correct, he didn't even visit Korriban til he was reborn. If there is evidence that he studied the force for those 20 years then show it to me please. Also I have yet to find all of the written works of the Dark Side compendium, if it even exists outside of name.
Sidious wrote three massive books on the Darkside between ROTS and ROTJ. Obviously he was focusing on the force.
And do you really think that Sidious never studied any of the enourmous amounts of knowledge he recovered from the Jedi Temple?
The proof that Sidious trained is that he got better between ROTS and ROTJ. A lot better, as you will see in my next post.
Oh, and you need to prove that Sidious didn't train, as it is the norm for Sith to do so. BTW, during ROTS he states that the goal of the Sith is more power. Training is a very good way to accomplish this.
Originally posted by tdtd
3. We're comparing ROTJ and ROTS Sidous, and ROTS Sidious was noticeably quicker with subpar skills at best. Nobody is arguing how powerful DE Sidious was.
Dude, you suck at reading. The only difference between DE Sidious and ROTJ Sidious is that DE Sidious is a bit younger(makes little difference to force users) and that DE Sidious has a few extra years of training. And notice that ROTS Sidious was in no way moving faster then a Jedi Knight can see.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Notice that I said all of them. At least, all of them that I can think of.Sidious needed to train his students in lightsaber combat. That is a need for it.
Oh, and what need did Mace have for his lightsaber before AOTC? He must have not touched it for 20 years as well.
Sidious wrote three massive books on the Darkside between ROTS and ROTJ. Obviously he was focusing on the force.
And do you really think that Sidious never studied any of the enourmous amounts of knowledge he recovered from the Jedi Temple?
The proof that Sidious trained is that he got better between ROTS and ROTJ. A lot better, as you will see in my next post.
Oh, and you need to prove that Sidious didn't train, as it is the norm for Sith to do so. BTW, during ROTS he states that the goal of the Sith is more power. Training is a very good way to accomplish this.
Dude, you suck at reading. The only difference between DE Sidious and ROTJ Sidious is that DE Sidious is a bit younger(makes little difference to force users) and that DE Sidious has a few extra years of training. And notice that ROTS Sidious was in no way moving faster then a Jedi Knight can see.
First I ask you to prove that Sidious DID train with a lightsaber and the force for 20 years because we have no evidence of that. In response, you tell me to prove that he didn't? Come on, seriously..
And DE Sidious was a LOT younger, a LOT more powerful, and had at least 10 years to study, especially on Korriban. That's a BIG difference that ROTJ Sidious. ROTJ Sidious looks like a shriveled old man whose only weapon is his force lightning.
I'm not insulting you by any means, just the fact remains that we don't have any proof that Sidious had a reason to train with a saber. The force is another matter obviously, yet I don't know of any students he trained in lightsaber technique except Mara Jade.
Originally posted by tdtd
First I ask you to prove that Sidious DID train with a lightsaber and the force for 20 years because we have no evidence of that. In response, you tell me to prove that he didn't? Come on, seriously..
Read the entire post next time.
Sidious needed to train his students in lightsaber combat. That is a need for it.
Sidious wrote three massive books on the Darkside between ROTS and ROTJ. Obviously he was focusing on the force.
And do you really think that Sidious never studied any of the enourmous amounts of knowledge he recovered from the Jedi Temple?
during ROTS he states that the goal of the Sith is more power. Training is a very good way to accomplish this.
Address all of those first. Oh, and addressing only a section of my post really pisses me off.
Originally posted by tdtd
And DE Sidious was a LOT younger, a LOT more powerful, and had at least 10 years to study, especially on Korriban. That's a BIG difference that ROTJ Sidious. ROTJ Sidious looks like a shriveled old man whose only weapon is his force lightning.
And DE Sidious was a LOT younger,
How does being young make him more powerful? Age doesn't have any effect on force powers.
a LOT more powerful
What made him more powerful? Age didn't do it, unless you can prove that it did.
and had at least 10 years to study, especially on Korriban.
Firstly, you just proved that you don't know jack about what you're talking about. DE is only 6 years after ROTJ. How would he have gotten ten years to study if, as you say, he didn't study between ROTS and ROTJ?
What did he learn on Korriban that was so special? Prove up.
That's a BIG difference that ROTJ Sidious. ROTJ Sidious looks like a shriveled old man whose only weapon is his force lightning.
Who cares what he looks like.
Now, ROTJ Sidious is a LOT weaker then DE Sidious, but there is zero reason for ROTS Sidious to be as powerful as ROTJ Sidious.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Read the entire post next time.[b]Sidious needed to train his students in lightsaber combat. That is a need for it.
Sidious wrote three massive books on the Darkside between ROTS and ROTJ. Obviously he was focusing on the force.
And do you really think that Sidious never studied any of the enourmous amounts of knowledge he recovered from the Jedi Temple?
during ROTS he states that the goal of the Sith is more power. Training is a very good way to accomplish this.
Address all of those first. Oh, and addressing only a section of my post really pisses me off.
And DE Sidious was a LOT younger,
How does being young make him more powerful? Age doesn't have any effect on force powers.
a LOT more powerful
What made him more powerful? Age didn't do it, unless you can prove that it did.
and had at least 10 years to study, especially on Korriban.
Firstly, you just proved that you don't know jack about what you're talking about. DE is only 6 years after ROTJ. How would he have gotten ten years to study if, as you say, he didn't study between ROTS and ROTJ?
What did he learn on Korriban that was so special? Prove up.
That's a BIG difference that ROTJ Sidious. ROTJ Sidious looks like a shriveled old man whose only weapon is his force lightning.
Who cares what he looks like.
Now, ROTJ Sidious is a LOT weaker then DE Sidious, but there is zero reason for ROTS Sidious to be as powerful as ROTJ Sidious. [/B]
What's with the "No you prove first" mentality? And DE is 7 1/2 years after ROTJ so we're both wrong. I don't know what he learned on Korriban but my guess would be the force storm and instilling dark force powers in normal humans. Now if you don't believe that's "speciaL" that's fine. Him being young makes him more powerful in terms of saber combat.. Quicker, more agile. You still have yet to show me WHO Sidious trained in lightsaber combat, that would make anyone believe he actually kept up his lightsaber practice. I'm not arguing if he's practiced in the force because that's an obvious one.
Originally posted by tdtd
What's with the "No you prove first" mentality?What's with you not answering my reasons. See all the [b]bold
text that isn't quoting what you wrote? That's my proof. Prove it wrong if you can.[QUOTE=6155393]Originally posted by tdtd
And DE is 7 1/2 years after ROTJ so we're both wrong.
No, it isn't. It is 6 years after ROTJ. New Essential Guide to Chronology says so.
Originally posted by tdtd
I don't know what he learned on Korriban but my guess would be the force storm and instilling dark force powers in normal humans.
Your guess doesn't mean jack without proof to back it up.
Originally posted by tdtd
Now if you don't believe that's "speciaL" that's fine.
Prove that he learned those there. Like I said, your guess doesn't mean jack without proof to back it up.
Originally posted by tdtd
Him being young makes him more powerful in terms of saber combat.. Quicker, more agile.
How much better will it make him? Will it make the jump from being wasted by Mace to being able to move faster then a Jedi can see? Prove up.
Originally posted by tdtd
You still have yet to show me WHO Sidious trained in lightsaber combat, that would make anyone believe he actually kept up his lightsaber practice.
Darth Vader may have had a hand in training a few of these, but it was mostly Sidious. Any of the following:
Gwellib Ap-Llewff, Dark Side Adept of the Imperial Citadel
Argor, Lesser Prophet of the Dark Side
Boc Aseca, Dark Jedi
Picaroon C. Boodle, Dark Jedi
Brakiss, Apprentice Inquisitor
Adalric Cessius Brandl, High Inquisitor
Jaalib Brandl, Apprentice Inquisitor
Shira Ellan Colla Brie, Emperor's Hand
Joruus C'baoth, Guardian of Wayland
The Cloaked Figure, Lesser Prophet of the Dark Side
The Constable of Homunculi, Clone Keeper
Cronal, Lesser Prophet of the Dark Side/Emperor's Hand
Sa Cuis, Emperor's Hand
Ameesa Darys, Inquisitor
Nial Declann, Grand Admiral
Drayneen, Inquisitor
Jeng Droga, Emperor's Hand
Durrei, Dark Jedi
Baddon Fass, Dark Side Elite
Flint, Stormtrooper
Vill Goir, Dark Side Elite
Gorc, Dark Jedi
Gornash, Lesser Prophet of the Dark Side
Kvag Gthull, Dark Side Elite
Halmere, High Inquisitor
Hethrir, Imperial Procurator of Justice
Roganda Ismaren, Emperor's Hand
Mara Jade, Emperor's Hand
Shela Jalahafi, Dark Side Adept
Teles Jalahafi, Dark Side Adept
Carnor Jax, Imperial Sovereign Protector
Jedgar, High Prophet of the Dark Side
Jerec, Inquisitor/Emperor's Hand
Kadann, Supreme Prophet of the Dark Side
Zasm Katth, Dark Side Elite
Danaan Kerr, Dark Jedi
Vess Kogo, Emperor's Hand
Arden Lyn, Emperor's Hand
Malorum, Inquisitor
Maw, Dark Jedi
Merilli, Lesser Prophetess of the Dark Side
Krdys Mordi, Dark Side Elite
Morthul, Dark Jedi
Nefta, Dark Side Adept of the Byss Clone Vats
Xecr Nist, Dark Side Elite
Quarmall, Dark Jedi
Sarcev Quest, Emperor's Hand
Loam Redge, Inquisitor
Rillao, Dark Jedi
Sa-Di, Dark Side Adept of the Byss Clone Vats
Sancor, Inquisitor
Sariss, Lesser Prophetess of the Dark Side
Sedriss, Dark Side Elite
Shynne, Inquisitor
Mox Slosin, High Inquisitor
Kam Solusar, Dark Side Elite
Maarek Stele, Emperor's Reach/Emperor's Hand
Tedryn-Sha, Dark Side Elite
Savuud Thimram, Dark Side Adept of the Imperial Citadel
T'iaz, Dark Jedi
Laddinare Torbin, Grand Inquisitor
Tremayne, High Inquisitor
Vost Tyne, Admiral
Valytar, Inquisitor
Vialco, Apprentice Inquisitor
Yun, Dark Jedi
Originally posted by tdtd
I'm not arguing if he's practiced in the force because that's an obvious one.
???
You have PROOF that the emperor trained all of these? Joruus? Wtf? Amazing how you want me to prove up on everything I've said yet you continually ignore the part where I tell you to prove that he continued using a lightsaber, and trained all of those people you listed. I can't prove what I don't know, I just know his newly acquired powers came from somewhere. You on the other hand, can't prove he's used a saber nor increased his force knowledge. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying listing people isn't proof.
Btw...http://www.galaxyfaraway.com/Books/timeline.htm I guess the first issue of DE was 6 1/2 years after ROTJ...
You have PROOF that the emperor trained all of these?
Who else would train his Dark Soliders?
Joruus? Wtf?
What's the problem? Who do you think trained him?
Amazing how you want me to prove up on everything I've said yet you continually ignore the part where I tell you to prove that he continued using a lightsaber, and trained all of those people you listed.
There is no one else who could have trained all of them. All of the Emperor's Hands were trained personally by him.
If he didn't use a lightsaber, how would he have gotten so much better?
I can't prove what I don't know, I just know his newly acquired powers came from somewhere.
I have support for everything I've said. You've just ignored a lot of my support. You need support or proof, or stop talking, because you're just wasting space on the internet.
[b]You on the other hand, can't prove he's used a saber nor increased his
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
[b]You have PROOF that the emperor trained all of these?Who else would train his Dark Soliders?
Joruus? Wtf?
What's the problem? Who do you think trained him?
Amazing how you want me to prove up on everything I've said yet you continually ignore the part where I tell you to prove that he continued using a lightsaber, and trained all of those people you listed.
There is no one else who could have trained all of them. All of the Emperor's Hands were trained personally by him.
If he didn't use a lightsaber, how would he have gotten so much better?
I can't prove what I don't know, I just know his newly acquired powers came from somewhere.
I have support for everything I've said. You've just ignored a lot of my support. You need support or proof, or stop talking, because you're just wasting space on the internet.
You on the other hand, can't prove he's used a saber nor increased his force knowledge. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying listing people isn't proof.
Oh, yes, that makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Are you arguing that Sidious didn't improve between ROTS and ROTJ at all, but he then multiplied his power by like a factor of three in six years?
BTW. the NEGtC still says 6 years post ROTJ, and seeing as it's official, I'm going with that. [/B]
If he didn't use a lightsaber, how would he have gotten so much better?
Touche.. The comics didn't show him kicking ass with a saber but it's obvious he got better, so maybe you're right..