DN Luke Runs a Short Guantlet

Originally posted by IKC
Quick post, inasmuch as I'm busy:

So his hand was burned, huh? That's why we see a closeup of it moments later and it appears perfectly fine? It seems Kun only believed his hand to be burned.

Evidence:

Does that look burned to you?

Am I reading that comic wrong? It looks to me like the seen with the close up comes before Exar killed Nadd. If so, then your argument makes no sense, as it would be before it happened. Let me spray paint the picture for explanation.

Wouldn't the seen spray painted red would go before the seen spray painted blue. That may just be me though...

And it comes after he shot multiple massive beams from his hands, which is the event in question, Glentract.

But he hadn't defeated Nadd yet.

And? That isn't the event in question, and is ergo an irrelevant misdirection.

No, it isn't. Illustrious keeps saying that the amulet doubled power with each pulse. If he hadn't killed Nadd yet, then it hadn't reached it's full power. If it was two seperate attacks, then it ins't nearly as powerful as it has been made out to be. I keep hearing that Exar blasted through the temple walls, Massassi, AND killed Nadd's spirit. If this took multiple blasts it suddently becomes much less impressive. What is it?

Someone? Illustrious? IKC?

They're probably asleep right now. Give them a few hours.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
No, it isn't. Illustrious keeps saying that the amulet doubled power with each pulse. If he hadn't killed Nadd yet, then it hadn't reached it's full power. If it was two seperate attacks, then it ins't nearly as powerful as it has been made out to be. I keep hearing that Exar blasted through the temple walls, Massassi, AND killed Nadd's spirit. If this took multiple blasts it suddently becomes much less impressive. What is it?

Yes, a completely different attack doubles in power with each pulse of Kun's anger:

This occurs before he annihilates Nadd. He says during this that his hand is burned, but when he kills Nadd (which is immediately after) we see that his hand is perfectly fine.

You are arguing an irrelevant misdirection, a logical fallacy. Your sense of the chronology of the events (and indeed, of the events themselves) is glaringly flawed.

He's looking right at the comic book, how is his sense of the chronology flawed?

Because he doesn't have the comic book and is only looking at the scans I provide?

Touche?

Originally posted by IKC
Except the quote in question by your example is made by the narrator, which is on equal or greater canon grounds than the art depicted. That, and it was speaking of all the knowledge Kun collected, not just what he had from Ossus. The point was all he had gathered from Ossus combined with what he already had was "more than he could ever use."

So your example is faulty and you have no reason to say the artist made a mistake, especially since it was apparently a "mistake" repeated ad infinitum by the artist given that there's no panel in existence with damage shown to Kun's hand.

The narrator stated that ''Kun knows'' this is more knowledge than he can possibly use, not what you're stating.

Again; is Exar's own observation about his own hand wrong? I doubt it. His hand doesn't need to be blackened like a serious burn to qualify as such. Your attempt to contradict Kun's own statement is ridiculous; if you're not going to take the character's word on a matter, what else are you going to base your claims on?

The narrator stated that ''Kun knows'' this is more knowledge than he can possibly use, not what you're stating.

Except that this implies that the narrator agrees that it is indeed more than he can ever use. It would be less valid if it were, for example, a Kun thought or speech bubble.

Again; is Exar's own observation about his own hand wrong? I doubt it. His hand doesn't need to be blackened like a serious burn to qualify as such. Your attempt to contradict Kun's own statement is ridiculous; if you're not going to take the character's word on a matter, what else are you going to base your claims on?

Yes, he is wrong, given that the depiction contradicts him. Your attempt to state that the scene is wrong because "the artist made a mistake" (on the basis of no evidence) was more-so fallacious than my assertion that Kun is wrong because the art contradicts him. The scene in fact shows no damage whatsoever to his hand, and any number of theories could be put forth to explain Kun's dialogue (among them, perhaps the effect of the blast caused his hand to appear burnt even though it wasn't. This would explain why he felt no pain).

My claim is based on the artwork, which is of a higher level of canon than a character's subjective observation.

Originally posted by Faunus
Again; is Exar's own observation about his own hand wrong? I doubt it. His hand doesn't need to be blackened like a serious burn to qualify as such. Your attempt to contradict Kun's own statement is ridiculous; if you're not going to take the character's word on a matter, what else are you going to base your claims on?

Originally posted by IKC
Except that this implies that the narrator agrees that it is indeed more than he can ever use. It would be less valid if it were, for example, a Kun thought or speech bubble.

Fair enough; I'd find it hard to believe that the amount cumulative knowledge ransacked from those places (Ossus, Korriban, etc.) would be so insignificant that a human - and Dark Lord of the Sith on top of that - would have enough time to learn it all.

Yes, he is wrong, given that the depiction contradicts him. Your attempt to state that the scene is wrong because "the artist made a mistake" (on the basis of no evidence) was more-so fallacious than my assertion that Kun is wrong because the art contradicts him. The scene in fact shows no damage whatsoever to his hand, and any number of theories could be put forth to explain Kun's dialogue (among them, perhaps the effect of the blast caused his hand to appear burnt even though it wasn't. This would explain why he felt no pain).

My claim is based on the artwork, which is of a higher level of canon than a character's subjective observation.

If the artist's depiction is a higher level of canon than the very content of the comic, Ulic and Cay have lightsabers that have alternating colors. In one panel, you have Cay with a green lightsaber, and Ulic with a blue. In the next, you have both with blue weapons, and lastly, Ulic with green and Cay with blue. The artists aren't infallible, IKC, and I don't see how one can make the implication that their depictions of the events unfolding in the tale are more canon than then the events themselves.

And if it isn't too much trouble, would you mind scanning the page or panel in which Kun's observation is made?

Originally posted by Faunus
Fair enough; I'd find it hard to believe that the amount cumulative knowledge ransacked from those places (Ossus, Korriban, etc.) would be so insignificant that a human - and Dark Lord of the Sith on top of that - would have enough time to learn it all.

If the artist's depiction is a higher level of canon than the very content of the comic, Ulic and Cay have lightsabers that have alternating colors. In one panel, you have Cay with a green lightsaber, and Ulic with a blue. In the next, you have both with blue weapons, and lastly, Ulic with green and Cay with blue. The artists aren't infallible, IKC, and I don't see how one can make the implication that their depictions of the events unfolding in the tale are more canon than then the events themselves.

And if it isn't too much trouble, would you mind scanning the page or panel in which Kun's observation is made?

But you fail to account that he also feels no pain.

This clearly isn't a "well, I touched a hot iron and my hands all blistered" type of burn. The interpretative abilities used in this thread would make an English teacher roll in his grave.

HAHAHA

Originally posted by Illustrious
But you fail to account that he also feels no pain.

This clearly isn't a "well, I touched a hot iron and my hands all blistered" type of burn. The interpretative abilities used in this thread would make an English teacher roll in his grave.

''His hand doesn't need to be blackened like a serious burn to qualify as such."

Yeah; kinda covered that already, thanks.

You guys are funny

We be bickering Jawas. . .