DN Luke Runs a Short Guantlet

Originally posted by Faunus
''His hand doesn't need to be blackened like a serious burn to qualify as such."

Yeah; kinda covered that already, thanks.

No, the text was described as his "hand [being] burned" (with no corresponding artwork), but Kun felt "no pain."

That and how he was able to stand over his worshipping Massassi just a few frames later, and how he was able to kill Nadd just a few frames after that, indicates more or less that the "burn" was not bodily, did not impair him, and was in no other way significant.

You can't selectively quote him and then try to pin him as having a burned hand, when clearly it was not an ordinary burn.

Originally posted by Illustrious
No, the text was described as his "hand [being] burned" (with no corresponding artwork), but Kun felt "no pain."

That and how he was able to stand over his worshipping Massassi just a few frames later, and how he was able to kill Nadd just a few frames after that, indicates more or less that the "burn" was not bodily, did not impair him, and was in no other way significant.

You can't selectively quote him and then try to pin him as having a burned hand, when clearly it was not an ordinary burn.

You've misdunerstood my statement again. I never tried to ''pin'' Kun as anything; I never stated that the dubious nature of the burn had in any way impaired him, or was significant to a degree worth mentioning. All I said was that he himself stated that his hand was burned - I never implied anything about its nature, significance, or effect - and that the artist, who's inconsistancy has been noted, cannot trump Exar's own observation, however crpytic and unelaborated it is.

Originally posted by Faunus
You've misdunerstood my statement again. I never tried to ''pin'' Kun as anything; I never stated that the dubious nature of the burn had in any way impaired him, or was significant to a degree worth mentioning. All I said was that he himself stated that his hand was burned - I never implied anything about its nature, significance, or effect - and that the artist, who's inconsistancy has been noted, cannot trump Exar's own observation, however crpytic and unelaborated it is.

No, I understood your point perfectly. However, your original point, as said here is:

Originally posted by Faunus
It doesn't matter; the only reason he used the lightning was because Jacen's life was in danger. Luke doesn't use the Force to kill unless it is absolutely necessary, and I doubt that will change with Kun. I see it being used as a last resort, as I see Exar using the gauntlet.

That as much is not established. He may or may not use it as a last resort, or he may not use it all. You can not use "well his hand was 'burned' (despite it not being established the nature of the burn itself)" as justification as to why he'd only use it as a last resort, or use it before Luke uses his emerald sparks -- which, if I have to remind everyone again, has never shown to instakill a force user.

Originally posted by Illustrious
That as much is not established. He may or may not use it as a last resort, or he may not use it all. You can not use "well his hand was 'burned' (despite it not being established the nature of the burn itself)" as justification as to why he'd only use it as a last resort, or use it before Luke uses his emerald sparks -- which, if I have to remind everyone again, has never shown to instakill a force user.

I doubt that Kun would risk his life only because he's afraid of burning himself. . .

Because Kun's attack is potentially as dangerous to to himself as it is to an enemy; what would happen if he lost control of it? He could vaporize himself, destroy the ground beneath his feet, bring a building down onto his head, etc.

Kun had already stated that he'd almost lost control of the gaunlet's blasts, and I didn't think he'd immediately resort to them if he thought he crush Luke with impunity. Which in this case, is likely to be the first thought crossing his mind. He'd be more likely to leap into a lightsaber duel, the way I see it.

Again illustrious, if Luke designed a technique to work against beings that are outside of the force, why wouldn't it work on a force user? Maybe not as effectively or more likely even more effectively, either way it's more logical to think that he could use it on a force user than not.

Originally posted by tdtd
Again illustrious, if Luke designed a technique to work against beings that are outside of the force, why wouldn't it work on a force user? Maybe not as effectively or more likely even more effectively, either way it's more logical to think that he could use it on a force user than not.

No it isn't, especially since he has only used that power once. If anything, because the creature is outside of the force, it makes it more likely that the attack has to be uniquely tailored just to kill them.

Originally posted by Faunus
I doubt that Kun would risk his life only because he's afraid of burning himself. . .

Kun had already stated that he'd almost lost control of the gaunlet's blasts, and I didn't think he'd immediately resort to them if he thought he crush Luke with impunity. Which in this case, is likely to be the first thought crossing his mind. He'd be more likely to leap into a lightsaber duel, the way I see it.

Well now you're speculating on the situation of the fight. I could say that if he was in a huge hurry and has witnessed Luke's ability, it's possible he opens with that move. That much is speculatory, and we're not here to argue who attacks whom with what first.

I agree that it will most likely boil down to a lightsaber fight, but I'm not going to argue the semantics of how him fearing a burn and losing control would prevent him from using it and somehow have a basis in the outcome of the fight.

An instakill isn't an instakill right? Whether it's on someone outside of the force or a powerful force user. There's a difference between saying if an attack can stop a force user, it can surely stop a being outside of the force, and if there's a force attack that MAY have been designed to stop a being outside of the force, that it could also stop a force user.

Originally posted by tdtd
An instakill isn't an instakill right? Whether it's on someone outside of the force or a powerful force user. There's a difference between saying if an attack can stop a force user, it can surely stop a being outside of the force, and if there's a force attack that MAY have been designed to stop a being outside of the force, that it could also stop a force user.

No, not necessarily a valid conclusion.

An EMP is designed to stop machines, it does not necessarily stop a human being. There is no evidence to suggest that Luke's emerald lightning would work on a competent force user, particularly since it did not exhibit any obvious physical effects nor was it used on anyone who fit that criteria.

Would you call Kun a competent force user? The term irrational would be best suited for him. I'm not saying it would work effectively against a force user but I'm saying you can logically assume that he could use it on a force user like he used it on someone outside the force. In this case especially, just because he didn't doesn't mean he can't.

Originally posted by tdtd
Would you call Kun a competent force user? The term irrational would be best suited for him. I'm not saying it would work effectively against a force user but I'm saying you can logically assume that he could use it on a force user like he used it on someone outside the force. In this case especially, just because he didn't doesn't mean he can't.

No, but you also have no premise to assume that he can. Absence of proof not being proof of absence is only true when you have a premise to assume the positive.

Like I mentioned, there's nothing to suggest that Luke can use it on a force user. To draw a similar analogy, a robot is not necessarily a carbon based, sentient life-form like humans. Poison doesn't hurt them like it hurts humans, but an EMP will take one out, and won't be likely to do the same for humans.

It's the same concept, without more information, you can't assume the positive.

Just like I can't assume that because Luke can stop a powerful energy blast, doesn't mean he can stop another powerful energy blast?

Originally posted by Illustrious
No, not necessarily a valid conclusion.

An EMP is designed to stop machines, it does not necessarily stop a human being. There is no evidence to suggest that Luke's emerald lightning would work on a competent force user, particularly since it did not exhibit any obvious physical effects nor was it used on anyone who fit that criteria.

Come on, Illustrious. On the same level I could say that Kun's amulet only works on things related to the Dark Side (Massassi, Sith Temple, Sith Beast, Sith Spirit) and it won't have any effect if used against Jedi, normal humans or a normal stone wall.

By the nature of the "emerald lightning" in the said situation it can be very well concluded that it will work against force user or anybody else:

a)
Luke didn't have Vongsense. He wasn't able to influence the Vong directly via force use so argueing that the said technique only works on Vong is completely baseless.

b)
Because Luke didn't have Vongsense he must have either manipulated the enviroment to kill the Vong (and I don't see how that should have worked) or used the force to generate so much (physical) energy that it killed the Vong. Both can be done against force users.

As well and working under the premise that you and IKC use (force lightning = physical manifestation) and the fact that YV's just ignored that, Luke must have generated an amount of physical energy which is significantly above that which is generated via force lightning since it didn't just affect the Vong slayer but outright instakilled it. And since their is nothing visible to block (as Faunus has already stated) which makes it impossible to use a lightsaber block against it and I don't see many force users blocking something which has multiple times the power of a force lightning attack - Luke might be very well able to floor anybody else with it.

Come on, Illustrious. On the same level I could say that Kun's amulet only works on things related to the Dark Side (Massassi, Sith Temple, Sith Beast, Sith Spirit) and it won't have any effect if used against Jedi, normal humans or a normal stone wall.

Really? Then you'd have to establish that said massassi, sith temple, beast, spirit are completely different from other individuals. That they are composed differently and are damaged differently from their Jedi counterparts.

No such evidence of that exists.

Evidence FOR the Vong exists however, as you said, lightning does not affect them, telekinesis does not affect them. They are entirely different from normal objects and beings.

a)
Luke didn't have Vongsense. He wasn't able to influence the Vong directly via force use so argueing that the said technique only works on Vong is completely baseless.

That's bullshit logic there. The postulate does not support your conclusion. So he doesn't have Vongsense, ergo the attack works on everyone? What the f*ck is that?

b)
Because Luke didn't have Vongsense he must have either manipulated the enviroment to kill the Vong (and I don't see how that should have worked) or used the force to generate so much (physical) energy that it killed the Vong. Both can be done against force users.

Both of them are assumptions. I could just as easily said that all of that "physical force" was meant to target specific Vong functions.

Again, you've never established that The Force is even interchangeable or similar to any SI unit for any valid physics calculation. This is just bogus science and psuedomath again.

As well and working under the premise that you and IKC use (force lightning = physical manifestation) and the fact that YV's just ignored that, Luke must have generated an amount of physical energy which is significantly above that which is generated via force lightning since it didn't just affect the Vong slayer but outright instakilled it.

Again, bogus. It was never stated, implied, or clarified to be a physical manifestation at all. Like I said, an EMP can take out an army of robots, does it mean I can turn around and use it on a human? Bogus assumption.

And since their is nothing visible to block (as Faunus has already stated) which makes it impossible to use a lightsaber block against it and I don't see many force users blocking something which has multiple times the power of a force lightning attack - Luke might be very well able to floor anybody else with it.

-yawn-. So now you're assuming that it's multiple times as powerful as force lightning without the premise of it actually being there?

Sorry, Nai, but when you debate, you have to have a premise for your assumptions. For example, the premise that Kun's blast is different from a turbolaser is because it's likely force-based, in that it killed Freedon Nadd, a force spirit which corporeal attacks don't work on. That's considerably different from a turbolaser, which actually has matter (as described in the guidebooks).

Clearly the amulet blast was much more destructive and "doubled" in strength with each pulse. So by your logic, there's no reason to assume Luke could block it either.

You have no standing. You assume Luke can block Kun's blast and Luke can use his lightning on Kun without the valid evidence, no amount of semantics or twisted, fallacious logic will get around that. No amount of bias will mask the fact that you can not establish that with any certainty.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Really? Then you'd have to establish that said massassi, sith temple, beast, spirit are completely different from other individuals. That they are composed differently and are damaged differently from their Jedi counterparts.

No such evidence of that exists.

Evidence FOR the Vong exists however, as you said, lightning does not affect them, telekinesis does not affect them. They are entirely different from normal objects and beings.

That's bullshit logic there. The postulate does not support your conclusion. So he doesn't have Vongsense, ergo the attack works on everyone? What the f*ck is that?

Both of them are assumptions. I could just as easily said that all of that "physical force" was meant to target specific Vong functions.

Again, you've never established that The Force is even interchangeable or similar to any SI unit for any valid physics calculation. This is just bogus science and psuedomath again.

Again, bogus. It was never stated, implied, or clarified to be a physical manifestation at all. Like I said, an EMP can take out an army of robots, does it mean I can turn around and use it on a human? Bogus assumption.

-yawn-. So now you're assuming that it's multiple times as powerful as force lightning without the premise of it actually being there?

Sorry, Nai, but when you debate, you have to have a premise for your assumptions. For example, the premise that Kun's blast is different from a turbolaser is because it's likely force-based, in that it killed Freedon Nadd, a force spirit which corporeal attacks don't work on. That's considerably different from a turbolaser, which actually has matter (as described in the guidebooks).

Clearly the amulet blast was much more destructive and "doubled" in strength with each pulse. So by your logic, there's no reason to assume Luke could block it either.

You have no standing. You assume Luke can block Kun's blast and Luke can use his lightning on Kun without the valid evidence, no amount of semantics or twisted, fallacious logic will get around that. No amount of bias will mask the fact that you [b]can not establish that with any certainty. [/B]

So you've established that the amulet effectively killed a spirit, and a bunch of animals... Great... So this is evidence for it being able to work on a living being on the caliber of DN Luke? Except for the fact that we saw the amulet kill living creatures(Sith wyrms, etc), so this would make it more powerful than an AT-AT blaster that can destroy anything in it's path JUST because Kun stuck it into the spirit of Freedon Nadd? That's some logic there. So with that we still have established some basis to assume Luke could block Kun's blast. You can say the lightning was never shown to effect a force user since it was never used nor needed on a force user, but how is Kun going to block it?

Originally posted by Illustrious
Really? Then you'd have to establish that said massassi, sith temple, beast, spirit are completely different from other individuals. That they are composed differently and are damaged differently from their Jedi counterparts.

No such evidence of that exists.

Evidence FOR the Vong exists however, as you said, lightning does not affect them, telekinesis does not affect them. They are entirely different from normal objects and beings.

The only difference between them and normal beings was that they were cut off from the force by their own homeplanet a long time ago.
And everything you've mentioned is different from other individuals since it's the offspring of use of the Dark Side. So I still can say that Exar Kun's amulet only works against beings that have something to do with the dark side. Of course that doesn't make much sense.

That's bullshit logic there. The postulate does not support your conclusion. So he doesn't have Vongsense, ergo the attack works on everyone? What the f*ck is that?

You still didn't understand it ? It's Vongsense that enables Jedi to use the force directly against them. Luke couldn't do that and therefore it's completely impossible for him to develop a force technique that only affects Vong - because he couldn't affect them directly.

Both of them are assumptions. I could just as easily said that all of that "physical force" was meant to target specific Vong functions.

No. That's the only logical conclusion left since Luke couldn't use the force directly on the Vong which includes "target specific Vong functions". He couldn't do it. And there aren't any "specific Vong functions" as well as their aren't no "specific Sith spirit functions" or "specific Sith beast functions".

Again, you've never established that The Force is even interchangeable or similar to any SI unit for any valid physics calculation. This is just bogus science and psuedomath again.

I was comparing force powers to force powers. Do you see any SI units here ? No ?

Again, bogus. It was never stated, implied, or clarified to be a physical manifestation at all. Like I said, an EMP can take out an army of robots, does it mean I can turn around and use it on a human? Bogus assumption.

LOL. Can you please keep a little bit consistency in your statements ? It was you who started saying that force lightning as well as "emerald lightning" are physical manifestations of the force and not me. So you have two possible choices:

a) Both are physical manifestations of the force.
Then still force lightning wasn't enough to stop Vong when Luke's Emerald lightning instakilled one. That means Luke's emerald lightning generated much more energy than force lightning. Period.

b) Both aren't physical manifestations of the force.
In this case Luke managed to use an instakill attack on a being that should be completely immune to all kinds of force attacks unless they are done by somebody having Vongsense (which Luke didn't have). And even people with Vongsense didn't manage to instakill Vong.

And in both cases Luke would be able to use the attack on other beings than Vong. Period.

-yawn-. So now you're assuming that it's multiple times as powerful as force lightning without the premise of it actually being there?

Sorry, Nai, but when you debate, you have to have a premise for your assumptions. For example, the premise that Kun's blast is different from a turbolaser is because it's likely force-based, in that it killed Freedon Nadd, a force spirit which corporeal attacks don't work on. That's considerably different from a turbolaser, which actually has matter (as described in the guidebooks).

You dare to lecture me about how to debate and then come up with false premises and logical fallancy at it's best ?

a) Kun's blasts are different from turbolaser fire
He used it like turbolaser fire. It doesn't matter if it's force energy or energy coming from a generator. Energy is energy no matter where it comes from. And yes...a blaster / turbolaser shot has "matter" in form of energized gas turned into plasma but that hardly matters talking about energy absorbation / deflection.

b) Corporal attacks don't work on force spirits.
Very nice. Kun's spirit was finally destroyed by putting two lightsabers into his spirit form. Ajunta Pall's spirit in KotoR didn't seem to be immune against physical attacks either.

Clearly the amulet blast was much more destructive and "doubled" in strength with each pulse. So by your logic, there's no reason to assume Luke could block it either.

Much more destructive compared to what ? If Kun's amulet blasts were more destructive than fire from a stardestroyer or an AT-AT he would have vaporized anything he hit with it - which he didn't.

You have no standing. You assume Luke can block Kun's blast and Luke can use his lightning on Kun without the valid evidence, no amount of semantics or twisted, fallacious logic will get around that. No amount of bias will mask the fact that you can not establish that with any certainty.

Again Illustrious. Why don't you just read what I write ?
Luke blocked more destructive things than Kun's amulets. Luke blocked stronger force attacks than that (unless you want to tell me that Kun's amulet is equal to the power 375 planets filled with beings including multiple Jedi / Dark Jedi).
And nothing here can be established with any certainty but talking about "bias" - look at the way you argue against Luke's emerald lightning and tell me that I'm biased again.

I still don't understand how you CANNOT compare an AT-AT blast to Kun's. As I've stated previously the only thing Kun's blast was effective on was a spirit and a few animals, great.. Like Borbarad said an energy blast is an energy blast so if Luke can block 1 instance of an energy blast it is LOGICAL to assume he can block another one, while nothing points to Kun blocking emerald lightning.

The only difference between them and normal beings was that they were cut off from the force by their own homeplanet a long time ago.
And everything you've mentioned is different from other individuals since it's the offspring of use of the Dark Side. So I still can say that Exar Kun's amulet only works against beings that have something to do with the dark side. Of course that doesn't make much sense.

Really? Is that why you insist upon the Vong being entirely immune to the force, such as being resistant to lightning and telekinesis.

If they were only "cut off" from the force, they could still be thrown around with the force just like a rock or any other physical object.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. On-panel exhibition demonstrates that the Vong are substantially different, especially in the ways they respond to the force.

You still didn't understand it ? It's Vongsense that enables Jedi to use the force directly against them. Luke couldn't do that and therefore it's completely impossible for him to develop a force technique that only affects Vong - because he couldn't affect them directly.

You're the one that's misunderstanding here. You have not established that there was any physical nature of the ability.

No. That's the only logical conclusion left since Luke couldn't use the force directly on the Vong which includes "target specific Vong functions". He couldn't do it. And there aren't any "specific Vong functions" as well as their aren't no "specific Sith spirit functions" or "specific Sith beast functions".

Yes there is. The Sith beasts presumably would also have musculature and nervous systems. However, they were simply vaporized by the blast.

Unless you're saying there is something special about Luke to prevent his skin and body structure from being vaporized we're done here.

I was comparing force powers to force powers. Do you see any SI units here ? No ?

You said, "physical force."

Again, never was "The Force" ever correlated with anything "physical" about it, some manifestations have physical affects, which you, conveniently, failed to establish here.

LOL. Can you please keep a little bit consistency in your statements ? It was you who started saying that force lightning as well as "emerald lightning" are physical manifestations of the force and not me. So you have two possible choices:

a) Both are physical manifestations of the force.
Then still force lightning wasn't enough to stop Vong when Luke's Emerald lightning instakilled one. That means Luke's emerald lightning generated much more energy than force lightning. Period.

b) Both aren't physical manifestations of the force.
In this case Luke managed to use an instakill attack on a being that should be completely immune to all kinds of force attacks unless they are done by somebody having Vongsense (which Luke didn't have). And even people with Vongsense didn't manage to instakill Vong.

And in both cases Luke would be able to use the attack on other beings than Vong. Period

No, please read, I said the Vong were not immune to physical manifestations of the force. So if Luke's lightning was a physical manifestation of the force, it would be no more difficult to block than other physical manifestations, which Kun has shown to be able to do.

Also, your second assumption is BS. You're still using the same rhetoric that since Luke could instakill A, he could instakill B.

Okay. Since Vader could kill a non-force user with choke, he could kill Ragnos. Bring logic into your debate, or sit down.

So tell me, how did Luke manage to instakill a Vong? He didn't drain them like Traya, they weren't part of the force to begin with. He didn't choke them like Kun, as you keep trying to play the Vong are immune to all force attacks.

Wait, you have no idea WTF Luke's emerald sparks even are, but they will work on Kun? They will work on Ragnos? They will work on Artoo? Honestly, where are you getting this shit?

You dare to lecture me about how to debate and then come up with false premises and logical fallancy at it's best ?

I like for you to point out the false premises, you're the one bringing them.

And yes, I'll continue to lecture you how to debate for as long as you keep showing that you suck at debating.

a) Kun's blasts are different from turbolaser fire
He used it like turbolaser fire. It doesn't matter if it's force energy or energy coming from a generator. Energy is energy no matter where it comes from. And yes...a blaster / turbolaser shot has "matter" in form of energized gas turned into plasma but that hardly matters talking about energy absorbation / deflection.

Bullshit. All energy is the same?

Is that why I can stop a magnetic attack with a magnet, but I can't stop an electrical attack in that same manner?

Is that why I can stop an electrical attack with a conductive cage, but I can't stop a light attack in that manner?

Is that why I can stop a light attack with a mirror, but I can't stop a magnetic attack in that same manner?

Please, keep consistent and learn physics. Different forms of energy have different properties. Different properties mean different manners to deal with them. Different manners to deal with them mean that the premise for your argument must be DIFFERENT.

Capiesch? Or do you want it broken down further?

Oh, and I guess you failed to mention that plasma is a form of matter. Ergo, it would be far easier to stop a plasma attack than a purely energy/magical based attack.

Much more destructive compared to what ? If Kun's amulet blasts were more destructive than fire from a stardestroyer or an AT-AT he would have vaporized anything he hit with it - which he didn't.

They did vaporize what he hit. The Sith Beast had his entire body completely vaporized, and the blast kept on going.

Again Illustrious. Why don't you just read what I write ?

Because I did, and you spewed more nonsensical garbage.

You: If A works on B, A must work on C.

WTF? Please.

You: If A is energy, and B is energy, A = B.

WTF? Please.

You: Vong are simply cut off from the force, that is the only difference.

.... (2 paragraphs latter) Vong are completely IMMUNE to the force.

Really? I don't see a rock being immune to the force. If I shoot lightning at a machine, it'll still break, Vong don't. So there goes your OWN DAMN ARGUMENT. Good job.

Luke blocked more destructive things than Kun's amulets. Luke blocked stronger force attacks than that (unless you want to tell me that Kun's amulet is equal to the power 375 planets filled with beings including multiple Jedi / Dark Jedi).

Good lord. I've asked this before, and I will ask you again:

Quantify the damn power of these 375 planets. Do force power stack? Do they add linearly? Logarithmically? Power? Exponentially? How do they correlate into SI units?

My god, you spew this "375 planets" like it actually means something. Last I checked, force attacks weren't measured in "planets," so it's a moot point.

Also, they quantify that he was able to "join" with the collective minds of the Killiks, so how does this quantify that he gains all of their collective force potential? Did it ever say it was Force Illumination again? No, I don't believe so.

And nothing here can be established with any certainty but talking about "bias" - look at the way you argue against Luke's emerald lightning and tell me that I'm biased again.

Yes, you are arguing that Luke will be able to block Kun's attacks and Kun can't block Luke's.

So wait, I'm biased? Good lord, Nai, if you are going to be this nonsensical, there is zero point to continue this argument.

Originally posted by tdtd
I still don't understand how you CANNOT compare an AT-AT blast to Kun's. As I've stated previously the only thing Kun's blast was effective on was a spirit and a few animals, great.. Like Borbarad said an energy blast is an energy blast so if Luke can block 1 instance of an energy blast it is LOGICAL to assume he can block another one, while nothing points to Kun blocking emerald lightning.

Read above. Different forms of energy require different methods of handling. Basic physics will tell you as much.

Oh ok so a blast that destroys buildings and another blast that destroys anything in it's path are different forms of energy... I know physics so my answer to that is "hardly". And you keep asking Borbarad to quantify the power of 375 planets. What's the point of that unless you actually believe Kun's force powers were greater than a guy who was controlling 375 planets, no matter if you quantify it or not.

Originally posted by tdtd
Oh ok so a blast that destroys buildings and another blast that destroys anything in it's path are different forms of energy... I know physics so my answer to that is "hardly". And you keep asking Borbarad to quantify the power of 375 planets. What's the point of that unless you actually believe Kun's force powers were greater than a guy who was controlling 375 planets, no matter if you quantify it or not.

It is different forms of energy. In fact, one form is matter that has been made into plasma, the other is a force-based attack that channels the user's anger. If that's not different, nothing is.

And again, the planet thing is completely moot. It's a nonexistent factor unless the debater can quantify it.

Sidious drained a planet, yet he was still beaten by DE Luke. Nihilus drained a planet, and three people took him down. Tavion with Ragnos' scepter drained several planets, and she was still beaten by Jaden Korr while wielding it.

Looks to me that there's little evidence to suggest that force from more sources translates into anything remotely close to linearly in terms of force power. We only see one ability to that, and that's Force Illumination when used against DE Sidious.

Tell me, how is 375 planets applicable if it's not shown to actually stack in a respectable manner?

And honestly, I thought you were being unbiased.

I am being unbiased but it's logical for me to say that Luke could stop his amulet blasts because he stopped an AT-AT blast. You can say that emerald lightning might not even be an effective weapon against Kun and I can say when has Kun shown the ability to block something like Luke's own weapon?
You're sayin Kun's blasts are different so I can say we've never seen him use his blasts on a living force user, so what makes you think he's going to be able to use it on Luke?