barring IC he has gone fast enough to run with kid flash for a few monents no not for long but none the less it happend and he did tag the guy more then once and even supes. Ben isnt anything slade hasnt beaten before i dont know why this debate is still going he gets his head cut off or blown to nothing
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Ben was manhandling Venom the intire fight...
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venom is always manhandled the entire fight, then he somehow wins... its what makes venom, venom. He can be torched until the symbiote "dies", but 2 panels later, he'll be back to full health and suddenly attacks that were doing absolutely no damage (like... uh.... punches) are doing massive amounts of damage? Bad writing, you say? what horrific claims!!! its simply venom writing! 💃
Ben beating any of the guys you just mentioned or even most is pure bull
the destroyer he wouldnt even dent it
hulk maybe if the hulk is dumb enough and who cares hulk has trouble with batman and wolverine
wolverine ooooo scary ALL FEAR THE WOLVERINE
black bolt-PIS come on dude PIS you know its PIS the guy would slap him once and knock him out.
Thor more PIS
Wonderman more PIS
Silver Surfer 100 percent PIS
iron man dont know
glads-pis
super skrull- PIS
Originally posted by Mider
Ben beating any of the guys you just mentioned or even most is pure bullthe destroyer he wouldnt even dent it
hulk maybe if the hulk is dumb enough and who cares hulk has trouble with batman and wolverine
wolverine ooooo scary ALL FEAR THE WOLVERINE
black bolt-PIS come on dude PIS you know its PIS the guy would slap him once and knock him out.
Thor more PIS
Wonderman more PIS
Silver Surfer 100 percent PIS
iron man dont know
glads-pis
super skrull- PIS
#1 i never said that he has beaten them all...
He has beaten The Destroyer FF V1 #172.
Beaten The HULK a handfull of times.
Beaten Wolverine more than once...
Beaten Wonder Man...
Beaten Super Skrull...
Beaten Black Bolt...
Held his own against THOR, Iron Man more than once they've never finished a battle Vs. each other...
Gladiator and Silver Surfer have beaten him... Gladiator cheesily (put people in danger and Ben was saving them then Gladiator took a cheap shot to start the tussle)and Silver Surfer used power cosmic and turned him back to human in the 60's. (Ben could not beat either of these two BTW)
I was throwing all those characters out there to show that my
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Was torwards the statement "Conversely Slade would be way tougher than anything Grimm has ever encountered?"
When obviously all of those characters are 100x tougher than lil' ol' slade...
He has beaten The Destroyer FF V1 #172. he beat the destroyer ok wow thats PIS if ive ever heard PIS, i mean how does this guy beat the destroyer when its a giant indestructable peace of armor that can traverse dimensions and destroy almost anything?
Beaten The HULK a handfull of times. even batman beat hulk didnt he its only cause of bends fighting style that he wins same thing between thanos vs champion but then again champion is a jobber plus 1 with the power gem i can understand him giving thanos trouble even beating him if he was smart and good enough of a fighter but now that he dont have it of course he'd lose
Beaten Wolverine more than once...wolvie should have shoved the blades down his eyes, but ok he beat wolvie so what wolvie aint anything special
Beaten Wonder Man...sounds like PIS since this guy punches as hard as thors hammer
Beaten Super Skrull...with all the powers at this guys disposal i have no idea how ben could ever beat him
Beaten Black Bolt...ben beat this guy, a guy who picked up a whole city by himself and carried it off to a new location how can you not call that PIS
Held his own against THOR, Iron Man more than once they've never finished a battle Vs. each other...
Gladiator and Silver Surfer have beaten him... Gladiator cheesily (put people in danger and Ben was saving them then Gladiator took a cheap shot to start the tussle)and Silver Surfer used power cosmic and turned him back to human in the 60's. (Ben could not beat either of these two BTW)
Originally posted by Mider
He has beaten The Destroyer FF V1 #172. he beat the destroyer ok wow thats PIS if ive ever heard PIS, i mean how does this guy beat the destroyer when its a giant indestructable peace of armor that can traverse dimensions and destroy almost anything?
Originally posted by Mider
Beaten The HULK a handfull of times. even batman beat hulk didnt he its only cause of bends fighting style that he wins same thing between thanos vs champion but then again champion is a jobber plus 1 with the power gem i can understand him giving thanos trouble even beating him if he was smart and good enough of a fighter but now that he dont have it of course he'd lose
Actually, Batman could not beat the Hulk with his fists. In the comic, he found a way to revert Hulk to Banner. Ben has always held his own very well against the Hulk because he's quicker, and strong enough to do damage. He even stalemated Professor Hulk in an arm wrestling match.
Originally posted by MiderActually, Wolverine tried to cut through Ben's rocky hide, and he couldn't pierce it because he doesn't have the strength necissary to do it. The only time he did he was being amped up by Hydra technology, and even then it's questionable if that should have happened.
Beaten Wolverine more than once...wolvie should have shoved the blades down his eyes, but ok he beat wolvie so what wolvie aint anything special
Originally posted by Mider
Beaten Wonder Man...sounds like PIS since this guy punches as hard as thors hammer
Originally posted by Mider Beaten Super Skrull...with all the powers at this guys disposal i have no idea how ben could ever beat him[/B]Heat's not gonna work. Ben stood right next to Johnny when Johnny attempted Nova Heat on the Hulk. He's been able to break free from Reed before, and shatter Sue's force fields. Pulling off a win against Super Skrull is not out of his abilities.
Originally posted by Mider Beaten Black Bolt...ben beat this guy, a guy who picked up a whole city by himself and carried it off to a new location how can you not call that PIS[/B]
[i]Held his own against THOR, Iron Man more than once they've never finished a battle Vs. each other...[/B]
[i]Gladiator and Silver Surfer have beaten him... Gladiator cheesily (put people in danger and Ben was saving them then Gladiator took a cheap shot to start the tussle)and Silver Surfer used power cosmic and turned him back to human in the 60's. (Ben could not beat either of these two BTW) [/B]
I've already dissected Slade's abilities. I did a whole thread about it.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I've been on a few comic boards in my day, and there are some things out there about Slade that either aren't explained well enough, or just are flat out crap. Here's a few:Slade can hit Flash if Flash is going full speed.
Slade can dodge Superman if Superman is going full speed.
Slade could take on Wonder Woman.etc, etc. Well, what I'm going to do is give a dissection of Slade Wilson, and what he can and cannot do.
*NOTE: This is not an anti-Slade thread. This is a thread that explains him.*
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The kneecapping. Notice the mention of a tranquilizer. Though Impulse would metabolize it out quickly, this is not an indication of Slade being able to hit Impulse with a shotgun blast. This is Slade hitting a target that's standing still. If anything, this is how ruthless he is.http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsphoefeat3lp.jpg
Slade's reactions are at the speed of his thought process. Though this is quick, it does NOT make him quicker than Spider-Man, who can move 15x quicker than a normal man, or Quicksilver who is even quicker than Spider-Man.http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teentitans5pyratep02034iv.jpg
Slade tagging Kid Flash. Now, there are two things to keep in mind here.
1. Kid Flash is not moving full speed in a sprint, so this is not his quickest.
2. Slade is getting tagged at a very rapid pace. He was able to dodge one hit, then roll with the momentum and tag him.http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5300/batmanvsdeathstroke37gx.gif
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4384/batmanvsdeathstroke44hz.gifSlade roughing up the Batgod. I'm just putting it there because I wanted everyone to know that I don't hate Slade, and those pics are just damn funny.
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These scans speak well for his pain tolerance. Here's when people get it mixed up.
Durability is bulletproofing.
Pain Tolerance is being able to push past pain.
Slade is not durable enough to take anti-tank rounds to the chest. He can heal quick enough to take it, and can push past the pain. Guess it speaks well for his healing abilities as well.http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladesee3ks.jpg
Damn. His quickness and the hormone additive allow him to see things slower than most people. However, THIS IS NOT PRECOGNITION! He's getting no forewarning of what happening. I'll explain more later.http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladeflash3ea.jpg
Slade just punked Wally West? How? First of all, he's not precognative. The first blast was while Wally was just turning around. Then, Slade made sure there was only one way for Wally to go, and that was where he was. That is planning ahead, NOT PRECOG! It's a strategy feat.http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladedie14dz.jpg
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This is the instinct mode. This is where he can mentally put himself to where his only thoughts are on survival, due to his 90% brain control. It allows him to push past pain easy.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5668372
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This is where his 5 or so ton strength comes in. He's strong enough to move Wonder Woman. There's still no precognition, considering she was able to hit him. She wasn't really pushing herself.http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladesuperman7yh.jpg
Superman is NOT moving at full speed there, even though it's a great show of agility on Slade's part. He's very good with acrobatics, but don't kid yourself into thinking Slade is trying.Now, for the Identity Crisis fight, brought to you by TS.
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Okay, right there, notice how Slade once again tricked Wally to move into the blade. There was nowhere else to go. It's not precog. It's knowing your opponents. Strategy feat.http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg034io8ck.jpg
Speed and strategy. Shows how Slade planned out this encounter, and knew what to do and where. To be honest, I'm baffled.http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg042hp9rr.jpg
More strategy. He already knew before the fight began that he could cut off Hawkman's wings.http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg057th4it.jpg
Very nice. Takes out Green Arrow's weapons.http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg067ib4sk.jpg
More strategy. Up to this point, Slade hasn't done anything that is beyond his means, but it gets bad here in a second.http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg070jt8sn.jpg
Heads up!
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Different colored dust particle or something? I don't get it.http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg092gg5eb.jpg
What
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What the heck man! He should be dead right there. That's the part that gets me. Why on earth if you have the power to just stop him right there, do you try to punch the guy? It's not gonna work!
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Am I the only one shaking my head? It was feasible until GL stepped in. Anyway, let's move on before I kill a man.http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00223kp2zc.jpg
Slade did NOT know where she was until Cheetah pointed her out.http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladenight14tc.jpg
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That thows precog out the window. Nightwing should be able to hit him if Slade is precognative. Definition of precognition:
Precognition is a form of extra-sensory perception which allows a "percipient" to perceive information about future places or events before they happen (as opposed to merely predicting them based on deductive reasoning and current knowledge).http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladekidflash7bi.jpg
Slade even mentions that his opponent is less skilled than he.http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/7987/aquamanvsdeathstroke015cu.jpg
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Tactics again. He was able to outsmart his opponent, but by no means defeated them. He just escaped. A huge difference.Now, I've been throwing this pic around like crazy to those who say that Slade can evade anyone uber in DC if they're moving full speed. Slade vs Superman:
There we go. So, I hope I've cleared things up. Here's what I've discovered through my research:
Slade is an amazing tactician, but is not precognative.
Slade cannot speedblitz
Slade has enhanced reflexes. He does NOT have superspeed.There you have it.
Originally from: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t399850.html
If you argue this from here on in, you're just proving to everyone else that you're a nimrod. Heck, you lost a debate to Wolverine8888.
