Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Zoom. Fishy, I'm over here...with my point. The point you missed.That point being that regardless of how bad you feel, death/suicide has worse consequences, wider consequences than living and dealing with it (Which is ALWAYS a possibility). Not "The person has nothing wrong with them."
Total horseshit.
Mum: I'm glad my son/daughter committed suicide. Now I don't have to get depressed around them, because of them.
Yeah, very likely.
It's not, ever. See above. It's you struggling to stay in a debate.
Ironically, flopping like a fish in a net...Fishy.
-AC
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Originally posted by Bardock42
Mum: Yes I miss her, but I am happy that she doesn't need to suffer anymore.Possible.
That's a lot different than wishing your child was dead because YOU don't want to be depressed BECAUSE of them, as Fishy suggested.
Also, the "happy" wouldn't be happiness. It's be, at most, a saving grace. The sadness would overwhelm.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but then you went ahead still claiming its objectiveness in this Thread.
I was claiming it from the point of view of those who argue the value of human life to be the highest, always.
You KNEW this was my point and yet you still decided you would play the pointless devil's janitor. Why? I said to you yesterday that my debate only applies to those who value human life, not you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's a lot different than wishing your child was dead because YOU don't want to be depressed BECAUSE of them, as Fishy suggested.Also, the "happy" wouldn't be happiness. It's be, at most, a saving grace. The sadness would overwhelm.
-AC
That's what you think. It might not. And just because some people think that death can be relieving to them doesn't mean that they are illogical, or wrong.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I was claiming it from the point of view of those who argue the value of human life to be the highest, always.You KNEW this was my point and yet you still decided you would play the pointless devil's janitor. Why? I said to you yesterday that my debate only applies to those who value human life, not you.
-AC
Because I think it should be included. And why do you think that meep-meep, makedde, PVS and others think live has the highest value? And when they say no, why do you claim they are illogical? they are not, they just don't value it that high.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's what you think. It might not. And just because some people think that death can be relieving to them doesn't mean that they are illogical, or wrong.
Oh would you stop it? If your beloved child commits suicide because they were in emotional pain, the happiness would be more than or equal to the sadness?
I'm not saying people are wrong to think death would be a release, I'm saying it's illogical.
Stop Debbiejo-ing this thread with your pointless nowhere-philosophy.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh would you stop it? If your beloved child commits suicide because they were in emotional pain, the happiness would be more than or equal to the sadness?I'm not saying people are wrong to think death would be a release, I'm saying it's illogical.
Stop Debbiejo-ing this thread with your pointless nowhere-philosophy.
-AC
You are wrong with saying it is illogical. You did it again.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Because I think it should be included. And why do you think that meep-meep, makedde, PVS and others think live has the highest value? And when they say no, why do you claim they are illogical? they are not, they just don't value it that high.
One last time:
It doesn't apply to PVS because he never said molestation is worse than murder, or that paedophilia was worse than death. Neither did Meep-Meep.
Makedde said she cannot think of anything more deplorable than paedophilia, that death is better, due to her extreme value of life (irony). Then she said she'd choose molestation OVER death if it was her child, therefore, death isn't worse to her. Which is where this debate comes from.
Preferring an illogical choice doesn't make that choice logical.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Makedde said she cannot think of anything more deplorable than paedophilia, that death is better, due to her extreme value of life (irony). Then she said she'd choose molestation OVER death if it was her child, therefore, death isn't worse to her. Which is where this debate comes from.
I see she is a bit strange.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Zoom. Fishy, I'm over here...with my point. The point you missed.That point being that regardless of how bad you feel, death/suicide has worse consequences, wider consequences than living and dealing with it (Which is ALWAYS a possibility). Not "The person has nothing wrong with them."
Total horseshit.
Mum: I'm glad my son/daughter committed suicide. Now I don't have to get depressed around them, because of them.
Yeah, very likely.
It's not, ever. See above. It's you struggling to stay in a debate.
Ironically, flopping like a fish in a net...Fishy.
-AC
And again your takling about the loved one's, why should I live a misserable life because my loved one's would want me too? What kind of bastards would they be to say that they would want that? If I would explain how I felt they should have accepted that (after trying to convince me to not do it) but if I made a carefully considered decision to end my life, then those people should be happy for me. Of course they can be sad, but they should still be happy for me.
And besides its my life, so I should be able to decide if I want to stay alive or not. I'm not living for anybody else then me.
No I'm not, I think it's illogical. For reasons stated many times.-AC
But what you think is not a universal truth, in some cases its illogical in other cases its not. Its not up to you to decide what it is or isn't, it depends on the situation and the people involved. Your opinion on this matter does not equal truth.The only opinion that matters is that of the person that decides to life or die.