Murderer of two sex offenders sentenced to 44 years

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you mean logical based on what? Logical based on the notion that death isn't as bad as being molested. How about that? It's simple logic, it's not that hard.

You do not see why living is more logical than dying? THAT is something I don't see considering you previously said this:

You obviously know that choosing death over life is, regardless of emotionally fuelled preference, illogical. So why you insist on keeping up this image of it not being so is beyond MY understanding.

-AC

Obviously in this case it is logical.

Kind of like red is logically blue based on the notio that red uis blue.

If you say to live is the logical thing (which is subjective) then dying is worse than being molested.

If you on the other hand thing that a pain/hapiness ratio with a stronger hapiness side is logical then death might be the more logical thing to choose.

Originally posted by Fishy
No, I don't always consider living more logical then killing yourself. Sometimes your live can suck so much or be so painful or you can have another damned good raeson to die, if you do then dying is the logical thing to do living isn't.

No, you're assuming it's logical because they don't prefer to live. That's not logical, that's preferring the illogical. Get your perception straight please.

Originally posted by Fishy
I said this to show your logic was bad, you think live is better then death because it is... Which isn't really an argument. Its like me saying a Ferrari is the most beautiful car in the world, because it is. No other oppinions are allowed.

No, you're getting yourself confused.

Preferring the illogical to the logical does not make the illogical, logical, does it? No.

If someone prefers smashing their face on concrete to smashing their face on a cushion, it doesn't mean the concrete is factually better for them does it? It means they prefer the worse option to the better opinion. Just like choosing suicide.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
Obviously in this case it is logical.

Kind of like red is logically blue based on the notio that red uis blue.

No...not really. Nothing like that. That's you trying to debate anything and everything at the same time, again.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you say to live is the logical thing (which is subjective) then dying is worse than being molested.

No, living is logical because humans are designed to keep themselves alive at all costs. Killing yourself is a permanent solution to temporary problems, this is an illogical choice. It's that simple. "I have problems that I could, regardless of the troubles, overcome. Instead of doing this, I will kill myself forever because of the sheer depression I am in."

That's not logical. That is an emotionally distressed illogical decision. Moving on...

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you on the other hand thing that a pain/hapiness ratio with a stronger hapiness side is logical then death might be the more logical thing to choose.

No, you're confusing the issue.

Those who have said, in this thread, that molestation is worse, have said something along these lines:

"Living a life of molestation is horrible. It could result in suicide."

Citing suicide as the element making the situation worse. Suicide being death. So if death is considered the worse outcome for MOLESTED people who chose life, then death is obviously worse than living a life where you have previously been molested, isn't it?

What's the boggle here? You are on your own in this debate because you claim to have no value for human life or anything else. My point of view is aimed at those who do.

-AC

So Human Nature is what you assume to be logical? Even then isn't it more logical to keep humankind alive than an individual? And if it is not for all humans, why is it still be Illogical?

Those people that said that molestation is worse are also wrong.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So Human Nature is what you assume to be logical? Even then isn't it more logical to keep humankind alive than an individual? And if it is not for all humans, why is it still be Illogical?

Those people that said that molestation is worse are also wrong.

What the hell are you talking about? For crying out loud.

The whole point I'm making is that it's illogical to choose death over life, and those who choose suicide as a way out are operating under emotional influence, not clear-thinking. Though even if they were, preference does not equal logical.

If you're going to continue this "Everyone's wrong, and right" view, do it elsewhere.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What the hell are you talking about? For crying out loud.

The whole point I'm making is that it's illogical to choose death over life, and those who choose suicide as a way out are operating under emotional influence, not clear-thinking. Though even if they were, preference does not equal logical.

If you're going to continue this "Everyone's wrong, and right" view, do it elsewhere.

-AC

But it is NOT logical. Why should it be?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you're going to continue this "Everyone's wrong, and right" view, do it elsewhere.

-AC

Where I come from Bardock they be fighting words, actually almost everything is fighting words where I come from. 😕

Originally posted by Bardock42
But it is NOT logical. Why should it be?

I know it's not logical to choose death over life, that's my point. You seem to create debates in your head, bring them here and forget that those of us outside your head have no clue what you're on about.

Either way, I'm not indulging the debates of someone who has previously said they hold no value for human life and also believe there is no right or wrong side, simply because it will draw this thread into off topic territory and the philosophy forum. Which is needless, because there are others here who, regardless of disagreeing, can see where I'm coming from.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you're assuming it's logical because they don't prefer to live. That's not logical, that's preferring the illogical. Get your perception straight please.

No, you're getting yourself confused.

Preferring the illogical to the logical does not make the illogical, logical, does it? No.

If someone prefers smashing their face on concrete to smashing their face on a cushion, it doesn't mean the concrete is factually better for them does it? It means they prefer the worse option to the better opinion. Just like choosing suicide.

-AC

Again you just say its not logical to die because its illogical, but why is it illogical you still haven't explained that.

Originally posted by Fishy
Again you just say its not logical to die because its illogical, but why is it illogical you still haven't explained that.

I have, you've just not read my posts.

Why is it not logical to choose DEATH over LIFE? The answer lies not only within my other posts, but within the question.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know it's not logical to choose death over life, that's my point. You seem to create debates in your head, bring them here and forget that those of us outside your head have no clue what you're on about.

Either way, I'm not indulging the debates of someone who has previously said they hold no value for human life and also believe there is no right or wrong side, simply because it will draw this thread into off topic territory and the philosophy forum. Which is needless, because there are others here who, regardless of disagreeing, can see where I'm coming from.

-AC

Sorry, I meant illogical. But there must be a reason why it is logical. Just gve us the reason. Although the reason will obviously be subjective.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I have, you've just not read my posts.

Why is it not logical to choose DEATH over LIFE? The answer lies not only within my other posts, but within the question.

-AC

To benefit your loved ones, sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Mr Spock paraphrased! For logics sake 😉

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sorry, I meant illogical. But there must be a reason why it is logical. Just gve us the reason. Although the reason will obviously be subjective.

Whooooooooo there's that ol "subjective" word.eat

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I have, you've just not read my posts.

Why is it not logical to choose DEATH over LIFE? The answer lies not only within my other posts, but within the question.

-AC

No, it doesn't. What system are you going by? There's no reason to assume that it is logical. YOu just claim something that has no real point to back it up.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sorry, I meant illogical. But there must be a reason why it is logical. Just gve us the reason. Although the reason will obviously be subjective.

No, it's subjective to you because EVERYTHING is subjective to you, more or less. You don't have a logical view on things, ironically.

If you're not going to pay attention to my posts, then I won't indulge you.

-AC

Originally posted by debbiejo
Whooooooooo there's that ol "subjective" word.eat

Woooooo, there's the ol' pointless post.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, it doesn't. What system are you going by? There's no reason to assume that it is logical. YOu just claim something that has no real point to back it up.

Indeed.....

Spock sacrificed himself to save Jim and the others!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Woooooo, there'S teh ol' pointless post.

Comedy gold 😂

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I have, you've just not read my posts.

Why is it not logical to choose DEATH over LIFE? The answer lies not only within my other posts, but within the question.

-AC

No really its not. Its all subjective.. Life is not necessarily a good thing or a logical thing.

If you are suffering from disease for instance and you will die within two months according to half a dozen doctors and you will greatly suffer during those two months would it be logical to sit them out and suffer? Or would it be logical to just end it before it even starts?

Logic is subjective, you think life is always better then death, this is not the case. There are plenty of exceptions.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, it's subjective to you because EVERYTHING is subjective to you, more or less. You don't have a logical view on things, ironically.

If you're not going to pay attention to my posts, then I won't indulge you.

-AC

No, it is just logical to you because you prefer it. That is NOT real logic though. I prefer Life over death as well. But that doesn't mean that it is logical. You are pulling an Ush here, I hope you are aware of that.