Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People can, have and will continue to overcome even the worst kinds of sexual abuse. Nobody overcomes eternal death.
I don't care if murderes or rapists won't overcome eternal death. IMO, they deserve to be dead, the sick bastards who prey on children.
And maybe some people can overcome the worst kinds of sexual abuse, but a lot of them can't, and never will. It's a huge slap in the face for those people who went through years of horrific abuse, only to have the man who molested them released from prison, despite the high risk of them again reoffending.
If they were kept locked up and were never released, no one would go after them and kill them.
The justice system sucks anyway. The courts don't give a shit about the victim. The perp has more rights. You don't even get 10 years for murder nowadays, the average here is about 7-8 years. Sex offenders might get 2-3 years, but be out in 18 on good behaivior. They reoffend and go back to prison to serve the rest of their sentence, then are set free again. What a slap in the face for the families? What about the victims right to feel safe and secure in the world? How would they feel knowing the man who molested/raped them is walking the streets?
You know how ****ed the justice system is here, AC? I'll tell you.
A woman was raped twice while sleeping on her sofa at night. A man had been drinking, and broke into her house, and raped her. He was set free from court because the judge said he never would have raped the woman if he hadn't been drunk. How nice, now we can get drunk, rape someone, and blame the drink.
A man who raped a 6 year old girl who washis stepdaughter was given a suspended sentence because the judge said the crime was one of 'opportunity'. This poor little girl is in counselling and has nightmares, as does the young woman who was raped. Both are terrified to even step outside. Their rapists are free, walking the streets, because the courts did nothing to protect them.
Why the hell should we accept the fact that these sickos are walking our streets, preying on our children? I praise anyone willing to take matters into their own hands. The courts do nothing, so little in fact that no one trusts the court anymore. Rape victims don't even report a rape anymore because the chances of that rapist going to prison for his crime is next to nothing. It isn't worth jack shit to reprt a crime nowadays because the courts don't give a toss about victims rights.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What this man did isn't ok just because you can sort of see why he did it, he's still a vicious murderer.
Not vicious. He didn't kill an innocent human being just for the hell of it, did he? No. He killed two people who preyed on young children, and destroyed their lives. That is certainly NOT vicious.
Originally posted by Makedde
I don't care if murderes or rapists won't overcome eternal death. IMO, they deserve to be dead, the sick bastards who prey on children.And maybe some people can overcome the worst kinds of sexual abuse, but a lot of them can't, and never will. It's a huge slap in the face for those people who went through years of horrific abuse, only to have the man who molested them released from prison, despite the high risk of them again reoffending.
If they were kept locked up and were never released, no one would go after them and kill them.
The justice system sucks anyway. The courts don't give a shit about the victim. The perp has more rights. You don't even get 10 years for murder nowadays, the average here is about 7-8 years. Sex offenders might get 2-3 years, but be out in 18 on good behaivior. They reoffend and go back to prison to serve the rest of their sentence, then are set free again. What a slap in the face for the families? What about the victims right to feel safe and secure in the world? How would they feel knowing the man who molested/raped them is walking the streets?
You know how ****ed the justice system is here, AC? I'll tell you.
A woman was raped twice while sleeping on her sofa at night. A man had been drinking, and broke into her house, and raped her. He was set free from court because the judge said he never would have raped the woman if he hadn't been drunk. How nice, now we can get drunk, rape someone, and blame the drink.
A man who raped a 6 year old girl who washis stepdaughter was given a suspended sentence because the judge said the crime was one of 'opportunity'. This poor little girl is in counselling and has nightmares, as does the young woman who was raped. Both are terrified to even step outside. Their rapists are free, walking the streets, because the courts did nothing to protect them.
Why the hell should we accept the fact that these sickos are walking our streets, preying on our children? I praise anyone willing to take matters into their own hands. The courts do nothing, so little in fact that no one trusts the court anymore. Rape victims don't even report a rape anymore because the chances of that rapist going to prison for his crime is next to nothing. It isn't worth jack shit to reprt a crime nowadays because the courts don't give a toss about victims rights.
You are correct
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Again you hide behind the rare occasions in which criminals refound theirselves.
I despice crime, and do not aproave the actions taken by this tread's subject.
Then again, if somebody would rape my girl, my sister, or anybody, I will kill the offender. And trust me, I am capable.
Why do you say that as if it's some macho good thing? It's not. Enjoy your prison time and being turned into thugmeat as a result of acting upon a blind rage. I'm sure committing that macho murder will all seem worth it and continue making you feel like a big man when Big Bubba's oily phallus is lodged violently in your rectum.
Originally posted by Makedde
I don't care if murderes or rapists won't overcome eternal death. IMO, they deserve to be dead, the sick bastards who prey on children.
Don't ever claim to be pro-life again, please.
Second, thinking they deserve to be dead is one thing. To hail a murderer as a hero is pathetic, stupid and dangerous. Especially on the grounds that he committed a crime you dislike.
Originally posted by Makedde
And maybe some people can overcome the worst kinds of sexual abuse, but a lot of them can't, and never will.
No, this is just your assumption.
Originally posted by Makedde
It's a huge slap in the face for those people who went through years of horrific abuse, only to have the man who molested them released from prison, despite the high risk of them again reoffending.
Let's remind ourselves that you have NO experience with abuse, before we continue.
This guy had NOTHING to do with the people who got molested anyway. If it was their parents committing the murder, it'd still be wrong but it'd at least be understandable. This guy killed two sex offenders because he thought they were scum, whilst becoming scum himself and surpassing paedophilia by committing a worse crime.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, but then again that's your standard.
Originally posted by Makedde
If they were kept locked up and were never released, no one would go after them and kill them.
Not familiar with how it works in the real world are you?
Originally posted by Makedde
The justice system sucks anyway. The courts don't give a shit about the victim. The perp has more rights. You don't even get 10 years for murder nowadays, the average here is about 7-8 years. Sex offenders might get 2-3 years, but be out in 18 on good behaivior. They reoffend and go back to prison to serve the rest of their sentence, then are set free again. What a slap in the face for the families? What about the victims right to feel safe and secure in the world? How would they feel knowing the man who molested/raped them is walking the streets?
As said before, the laws need revamping. Fine.
This is no reason to decide that you'll be The Punisher, going round committing murder and then having idiots hail you as a hero for it. He took two lives in double murder, that's worse than paedophilia. Just like murdering a kid is worse than touching his penis/her vagina.
Originally posted by Makedde
You know how ****ed the justice system is here, AC? I'll tell you.
Wait wait...let me strap myself in for this one.
*Fastens buckles* Ok continue...
Originally posted by Makedde
A woman was raped twice while sleeping on her sofa at night. A man had been drinking, and broke into her house, and raped her. He was set free from court because the judge said he never would have raped the woman if he hadn't been drunk. How nice, now we can get drunk, rape someone, and blame the drink.
Yeah, terrible decision. Terrible for the woman. What's your point? That someone should now grab a shotgun and kill the man? Stop being so pathetically neanderthal.
Originally posted by Makedde
A man who raped a 6 year old girl who washis stepdaughter was given a suspended sentence because the judge said the crime was one of 'opportunity'. This poor little girl is in counselling and has nightmares, as does the young woman who was raped. Both are terrified to even step outside. Their rapists are free, walking the streets, because the courts did nothing to protect them.
A) To say they did NOTHING is complete BS. Sentences were served.
B) Again I will ask; So the logical, appropriate and most sensible way forward is to kill the man? No, it's not. That's the way of the idiot.
Originally posted by Makedde
Why the hell should we accept the fact that these sickos are walking our streets, preying on our children?
Point 1: I don't recall anyone saying you had to accept it.
Point 2: You are a woman of so many hypocritical beliefs and contradictions it's untrue. Especially seeing as you previously said "Parents can't be expected to guard their children 24/7."
Yes, they can. If you don't watch your kids and they get kidnapped as a result of your neglect, then it's your own f*cking fault. You KNOW these people are out there, and there will never come a time when all evil men and women are locked away, so why don't you take it upon yourselves to...(and this may seem controversial) wait, now...hear me out...ok? Why don't you take it upon yourselves to, do parenting?
Originally posted by Makedde
I praise anyone willing to take matters into their own hands.
Parents should take matters into their own hands more often. Do their own parenting rather than waiting for something bad to happen, only for them to piss and moan about "Oh there's evil on the streets!"
The law is to protect. Not parent your kids and wipe your asses when you shit all over your kid's lives by being unattentive and selfish.
Originally posted by Makedde
The courts do nothing, so little in fact that no one trusts the court anymore. Rape victims don't even report a rape anymore because the chances of that rapist going to prison for his crime is next to nothing. It isn't worth jack shit to reprt a crime nowadays because the courts don't give a toss about victims rights.
Let's be honest; you made all that up in a blind, idiotic rage didn't you?
Yeah, I'd cut back on that.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Don't ever claim to be pro-life again, please.
I will claim to be whatever the hell I want.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Second, thinking they deserve to be dead is one thing. To hail a murderer as a hero is pathetic, stupid and dangerous. Especially on the grounds that he committed a crime you dislike.
When a man molests a child, he should be shot.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, this is just your assumption.
That's your opinion.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's remind ourselves that you have NO experience with abuse, before we continue.
I have said I have never been in an abusive relationship. I didn't say that I had never been sexually abused, or raped, did I?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This guy had NOTHING to do with the people who got molested anyway. If it was their parents committing the murder, it'd still be wrong but it'd at least be understandable. This guy killed two sex offenders because he thought they were scum, whilst becoming scum himself and surpassing paedophilia by committing a worse crime.
The killer is not scum. He killed them because these bastards were free. Why were they free and not in prison?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, but then again that's your standard.
I do know what I am talking about, thank you.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not familiar with how it works in the real world are you?
I know very well how it works over here.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As said before, the laws need revamping. Fine.But you'd be perfectly satisfied if the current laws stayed the same, wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=6151861]Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]This is no reason to decide that you'll be The Punisher, going round committing murder and then having idiots hail you as a hero for it. He took two lives in double murder, that's worse than paedophilia. Just like murdering a kid is worse than touching his penis/her vagina.
Well, I wonder if some bastard had have touched your penis when you young, would you have gotten over it?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, terrible decision. Terrible for the woman. What's your point? That someone should now grab a shotgun and kill the man? Stop being so pathetically neanderthal.
You don't seem to give a hoot about what this woman went through.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) To say they did NOTHING is complete BS. Sentences were served.
Sentences were NOT served. Both men received no jail time whatsoever. That is a pathetic sentence for one of the worst crimes imaginable.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
B) Again I will ask; So the logical, appropriate and most sensible way forward is to kill the man? No, it's not. That's the way of the idiot.
No, it is logical for the courts to lock these people up, and prote victims.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Point 1: I don't recall anyone saying you had to accept it.
So if a sex offender moved next door to me I am expected to just accept it, and let my kids play outside as normal?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Point 2: You are a woman of so many hypocritical beliefs and contradictions it's untrue. Especially seeing as you previously said "Parents can't be expected to guard their children 24/7."
They can't. Can you gaurd your children while you are sleeping? Can you prevent your kids from sneaking out of the house in the middle of the night without barricading them in their rooms? No. So you can't gaurd them 24/7.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, they can. If you don't watch your kids and they get kidnapped as a result of your neglect, then it's your own f*cking fault. You KNOW these people are out there, and there will never come a time when all evil men and women are locked away, so why don't you take it upon yourselves to...(and this may seem controversial) wait, now...hear me out...ok? Why don't you take it upon yourselves to, do parenting?
Lets not let our children walk home from school then. Lets not let them go outside and collect the mail, because golly gee they get kidnapped, it's our damn fault for letting them get the mail!!!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Parents should take matters into their own hands more often. Do their own parenting rather than waiting for something bad to happen, only for them to piss and moan about "Oh there's evil on the streets!"
Parents have the right to know if their children will be safe. If a known sex offender moves into their street and they are not informed of this, are their children safe? No.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The law is to protect. Not parent your kids and wipe your asses when you shit all over your kid's lives by being unattentive and selfish.
The law does nothing to protect the victim. The law protect the criminal.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's be honest; you made all that up in a blind, idiotic rage didn't you?
I didn't, actually. That's just your assumption.
Originally posted by GCG
Just a question in general.If your child was molested, and the offender jailed, and a couple of years later, you happen to driving your car down a street, and you notice the Offender that molested your child is actually crossing the road, right in front of your car.
What would you do ?
1. Run his ass over
2. Back up.
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People have the stupid kneejerk reaction of "Killed a paedophile/sex offender though, good." As if the man has done a good deed.If you say what PVS did for example, that you won't complain he did it, but he deserves to do the time for the crime then fair enough. I might not agree, but at least there's a level of seeing that a crime was committed also.
I don't get these people who think the man should have no sentance just because he killed people who did something you don't like.
-AC
I wouldn't go so far as say to go around and kill all pedophiles is a good thing, but I won't weep when one bites it. That is harsh, I know. That's kind of the way I feel though.
The killer here should have been locked up, I agree, but I get the feeling that the judge went a little light on him considering he's only going for 44 years and not life. I personally think that 44 years is too long but that's just me.
And it's more than these people doing things "we don't like." I know that you arent trying to defend a persons rights to molest children but it sort of sounds that way.
Originally posted by Makedde
I will claim to be whatever the hell I want.
(Because you're not pro-life, with claims like that).
Originally posted by Makedde
When a man molests a child, he should be shot.
Pure idiocy.
Originally posted by Makedde
That's your opinion.
No, it's not. You said "A lot of them can't (overcome it), and never will." This was an assumption.
Originally posted by Makedde
I have said I have never been in an abusive relationship. I didn't say that I had never been sexually abused, or raped, did I?
Have you? Disclaimer: Be honest. If you say "Yes" so you don't look bad, you deserve many things.
Originally posted by Makedde
The killer is not scum. He killed them because these bastards were free. Why were they free and not in prison?
He's a murderer, he's an idiot. Why are you treating the man like a hero? Some drug-addicted vigilante lunatic who could have easily killed two other people.
Infact, what's to say he wasn't planning to murder ANYWAY and decided to murder two sex offenders because he knew he would have some kind of support from idiots like you?
Originally posted by Makedde
I do know what I am talking about, thank you.
You don't, but let's continue.
Originally posted by Makedde
I know very well how it works over here.
You know how the real world works...over there? In the real world it's a heroic act to commit murder? See above. You keep proving me right, fun this.
Originally posted by Makedde
Well, I wonder if some bastard had have touched your penis when you young, would you have gotten over it?
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Some do, some don't. Don't reply with "Most don't", because that's just bs you make up.
The point is, my parents are smarter and self-less enough to not go swanning off trying to commit murder in my name. They'd be grateful enough to realise I was still alive.
Originally posted by Makedde
You don't seem to give a hoot about what this woman went through.
A) You don't either.
B) Why don't I? Because I don't think her attacker should be murdered? Shut up.
Originally posted by Makedde
Sentences were NOT served. Both men received no jail time whatsoever. That is a pathetic sentence for one of the worst crimes imaginable.
I was referring to the other crime, first off.
Second, yes, it is a bad sentence. Who is denying that the courts need brushing up? Nobody. What you DON'T do is go giving the courts more problems and more needless cases just because you couldn't control your rage. While you're in there on trial for something you did in a blind rage, they could be handling a paedophile case or a rape case.
Originally posted by Makedde
No, it is logical for the courts to lock these people up, and prote victims.
Which would mean not becoming a world of vigilantes.
Originally posted by Makedde
So if a sex offender moved next door to me I am expected to just accept it, and let my kids play outside as normal?
No, you're supposed to keep your kids protected. This is proof that you have a lack of thinking ability here. Paedophiles and sex offenders exist and will always exist. You won't always know where they are or who they'll attack, so your job as a parent (as it should be by f*cking default anyway) is to protect your children.
Do you expect the law to wipe your ass for you?
Originally posted by Makedde
They can't. Can you gaurd your children while you are sleeping? Can you prevent your kids from sneaking out of the house in the middle of the night without barricading them in their rooms? No. So you can't gaurd them 24/7.
I'm referring to younger children here. The most easy of all targets for paedophiles. Parenting will stop it, attentive parenting. That's a fact.
You let your 10 year old kid go roaming the streets while you sit in and watch TV, you are asking for trouble. Sleeping? A paedophile isn't going to break into your house and snatch your kid.
Originally posted by Makedde
Lets not let our children walk home from school then. Lets not let them go outside and collect the mail, because golly gee they get kidnapped, it's our damn fault for letting them get the mail!!!
Yes, let's not let our children have the freedom of a teen when they are 9. Sounds about right to me.
If you are an unattentive parent who neglects her child, you are asking for trouble. If you let a defenseless child go and play in the street, walk home from school or go to the store without any adult supervision, you have no right to blame everyone else when they end up on a milk carton. You didn't try to stop it.
Originally posted by Makedde
Parents have the right to know if their children will be safe. If a known sex offender moves into their street and they are not informed of this, are their children safe? No.
Be safe? Doing what? "I demand to know if my 10 year old daughter will be safe walking home from school on her own!" If you're not sure, show some f*cking responsibility and pick her up. You're her mother/father.
Regardless of what popular opinion will have you believe, paedophiles are not members of the Crazy 88, ok? They're not Agents of The Matrix. They won't come up to you and take the child from your arms with ninja quickness and then teleport away before you have a chance to stop them. It happens mostly when the children are left unattended. Don't leave your kids unattended and the chances are that they will most definitely not be abducted.
Originally posted by Makedde
The law does nothing to protect the victim. The law protect the criminal.
Think about the dynamics of what you just said.
Originally posted by Makedde
I didn't, actually. That's just your assumption.
Oh, so you typed that false, contrived horsecrap with a clear mind? Worse.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
1. Run his ass over2. Back up.
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2
What's your wife gonna say when she's forced to bring your baby girl or boy to visit his/her Daddy in prison, from the other side of a plexiglass barrier? Is she gonna tell your kid that Daddy is in a place where all the bad men go because he killed a man?
You think your kid will forgive you for missing out on his/her childhood just to fulfill your own selfish vendetta? Your kid is still alive, molested or not. Be thankful, some aren't so lucky.
Originally posted by meep-meep
I wouldn't go so far as say to go around and kill all pedophiles is a good thing, but I won't weep when one bites it. That is harsh, I know. That's kind of the way I feel though.
As PVS said: He won't complain that the guy chose to kill those particular people, but he won't complain about the sentence. He got what he deserved.
Originally posted by meep-meep
The killer here should have been locked up, I agree, but I get the feeling that the judge went a little light on him considering he's only going for 44 years and not life. I personally think that 44 years is too long but that's just me.
Too long? Eternity is quite a long time. That's the amount of death you bestow upon someone when you kill them.
Originally posted by meep-meep
And it's more than these people doing things "we don't like." I know that you arent trying to defend a persons rights to molest children but it sort of sounds that way.
Would I feel safer around someone I knew would sexually molest me, but let me go, or some shotgun wielding, execution-happy, drug-addicted maniac?
Hmm, let me think about that.
I think paedophilia is a heinous crime, but a molested kid alive is better than finding the mutilated body of a dead molested kid and either way, exacting revenge by way of murder for pure molestation in which case the child is left alive, is just too far.
-AC
I wouldn't say that the murder is completely justified. I mean there should be some punishment just to be "civil" I guess. But in this case someone else chose to deal out the punishment. molesting shildren is wrong. Molesting anyone is wrong for that matter. I s murdering them justified? I think not really but like I said I'm not going to cry for them.
Now would I consider a being raped justified if the raped person was a horrible person? Well, I guess I have the same feeling toward this. I guess it depends on how bad a person she or he was. What did this person do that was so bad? Commit adultery? I don't believe that warrents being justifiably raped. Although the ex lover might feel different. But let's say this person had a child that was their own and molested their own child. Or lets say this person forcibly molested someone who didn't have a choice in the matter. In this case I would stick to my rationale that if the oppressor was raped or worse I wouldn't cry that their rights were infringed upon.
Should the second oppressor be punished? Yes, but I guess the extent of their punishment sould be decided upon by the circumstances or motives of the killing.
It may be hard to accept but when people are hurt emotionally, physically or both they usually want someone to blame.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's your wife gonna say when she's forced to bring your baby girl or boy to visit his/her Daddy in prison, from the other side of a plexiglass barrier? Is she gonna tell your kid that Daddy is in a place where all the bad men go because he killed a man?You think your kid will forgive you for missing out on his/her childhood just to fulfill your own selfish vendetta? Your kid is still alive, molested or not. Be thankful, some aren't so lucky.
3 boys, and theyre already out of their childhood. The oldest is your age, and the youngest is 15.
Ive been to the big house before, and my sons were with me then, and if I go back they'll still be with me. The loyalty in mi familia is air-tight, ese. Nobody better f*ck with mi familia unless they intend on getting f*cked with in return.
Originally posted by meep-meep
I wouldn't say that the murder is completely justified. I mean there should be some punishment just to be "civil" I guess. But in this case someone else chose to deal out the punishment. molesting shildren is wrong. Molesting anyone is wrong for that matter. I s murdering them justified? I think not really but like I said I'm not going to cry for them.Now would I consider a being raped justified if the raped person was a horrible person? Well, I guess I have the same feeling toward this. I guess it depends on how bad a person she or he was. What did this person do that was so bad? Commit adultery? I don't believe that warrents being justifiably raped. Although the ex lover might feel different. But let's say this person had a child that was their own and molested their own child. Or lets say this person forcibly molested someone who didn't have a choice in the matter. In this case I would stick to my rationale that if the oppressor was raped or worse I wouldn't cry that their rights were infringed upon.
Should the second oppressor be punished? Yes, but I guess the extent of their punishment sould be decided upon by the circumstances or motives of the killing.
It may be hard to accept but when people are hurt emotionally, physically or both they usually want someone to blame.
Basically, you believe that is okay to rape someone if she is a bad enough person. Disgusting.
Hey VVD, I add the Punisher to the list. I like the Punisher.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I find it hard to believe that you would not do anything to the man who raped your kid, homes.
That is a different matter altogether. I certainly wouldn't do anything to the man who raped your children.´
Now, don'T get me wrong, I don't argue that he is an evil man that needs to be punished. I don't care if he killed them, I also don't care if they raped anyone....all in all it is quite pointless either way, cause society didn't lose much. I certainly would care if I was personally involved but that is a different matter. The Law might need reajusting in some cases and I don't think it is perfect but I think when someone breaks it they are no better than another one that broke it. Especially when the deed is more harmful to the individual.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
3 boys, and theyre already out of their childhood. The oldest is your age, and the youngest is 15.Ive been to the big house before, and my sons were with me then, and if I go back they'll still be with me. The loyalty in mi familia is air-tight, ese. Nobody better f*ck with mi familia unless they intend on getting f*cked with in return.
That doesn't make it ok for you to go to prison and if you think it does then I suggest you look up the definition of "parenting."
What Bardock said is exactly right. You say that you find it hard to believe I'd not do anything to the guy who raped or molested my child, that's fine. Believe what you want. The fact is, if I DID do something, regardless of how irrational and legally wrong it would be, at least I am doing it in the name of my own children. This lunatic had nothing to do with anyone. He wasn't avenging his own kids.
Originally posted by Makedde
I will say 'yes' because I am being honest, not because I want sympathy from some pedophile lover like yourself.
Nothing else to say? Cool.
-AC