Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Or...let's just all become heroes. Killings for sex attacks.Sex attacks for assaults. Assaults for littering. And so on.
Sounds like a great, heroic, safe society.
Not a safe society at all. But sure, if they feel like it. I think everyone is free to do what the y want, but they will face consequences for their doing...so if that's what they wish, fine with me.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Or...let's just all become heroes. Killings for sex attacks.Sex attacks for assaults. Assaults for littering. And so on.
Sounds like a great, heroic, safe society.
Yeah know I was thinking about the irony in that.....................
Haha once and for all pay your debts to society just find and kill one murder/rapist then you will be acquited of any charges....................except you become a murderer! AHHHHHH 😱 Debbiejo I nominate you to start this course of action🙂
Originally posted by meep-meep
I appreciate the way you summarized my analysis of the situation and flipped it around to make me look like a a horrible person. You are quite talented.
It did not require talent, it is exactly what you said:
Originally posted by meep-meep
Now would I consider a being raped justified if the raped person was a horrible person? Well, I guess I have the same feeling toward this. I guess it depends on how bad a person she or he was.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Why is it wrong to kill them ? Is it because they could have a chance to redeem themselves, or is there another thing ? What exactly is the factor or factors that make their killing wrong ?I´m not trying to imply anything, just want to know.
Because killing is wrong. That'S the law. Nothing else.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Maybe we should ask the families what they think of the person who killed the guy who have molested their child?
Perhaps we should ask the families of Hank Eisses and Victor Vasquez what they think of the man who killed their relative?
Perhaps we should ask the families of Hank Eisses and Victor Vasquez what they think of the man who killed their relative for crimes he comitted and was already punished for?
These two men may have comitted dispicable acts against children, but they were also someone's son, brother, husband, and father. They had people who loved them too, and the pain of their families is not any less.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That doesn't make it ok for you to go to prison and if you think it does then I suggest you look up the definition of "parenting."What Bardock said is exactly right. You say that you find it hard to believe I'd not do anything to the guy who raped or molested my child, that's fine. Believe what you want. The fact is, if I DID do something, regardless of how irrational and legally wrong it would be, at least I am doing it in the name of my own children. This lunatic had nothing to do with anyone. He wasn't avenging his own kids.
I never said it was ok. I said that I aint afraid to go back, ese. I'm no stranger to Arizona's legal system, in fact I practically know it like the back of my hand. Legal repercussions wont stop me from fullfilling loyalties to la familia. And dont tell me how to be a parent, compa.
I agree with/understand that second part.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Why is it wrong to kill them ? Is it because they could have a chance to redeem themselves, or is there another thing ? What exactly is the factor or factors that make their killing wrong ?I´m not trying to imply anything, just want to know.
If you commit murder, however understandable, you deserve to get what every murderer gets.
Second, to praise this man is disgusting. He's a murderer. People like him do not make a safe society and if you think they do, then you aren't contributing to the safe society you allegedly want.
Why is it wrong to kill them? Why is it right, hmm? It's not. So they committed a bad crime, this doesn't mean committing a worse one of which they are the victim, is better. You don't have the right.
As VVD said previously, if it's an avenging parent, it's understandable. Wrong, but understandable. This man had no connections to anyone, which quite clearly suggests that he was looking for someone to kill and chose the people he did because he knew everyone would go "Yeaaaaah!"
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I never said it was ok. I said that I aint afraid to go back, ese. I'm no stranger to Arizona's legal system, in fact I practically know it like the back of my hand. Legal repercussions wont stop me from fullfilling loyalties to la familia. And dont tell me how to be a parent, compa.I agree with/understand that second part.
I'm not telling you how to be a parent and apologies if it came across that way, I'm just saying that sending yourself to prison to "avenge" your family isn't really worth it in my opinion. Also in my opinion, no responsible and loving parent would do the same.
You speak of loyalty to your family and how much you'd kill for them, then surely you would want to be around for them like a father should, right? I'm guessing the answer is yes. In which case, prison isn't the answer.
-AC
ok, please can i have an honest answer.
to all those who find this disgusting:
are you concerned by it? not by people's reactions or even
the decision of the court. are you affected/concerned/upset/whatever
that they were killed? be honest. its not a loaded question, im just curious.
as for me, i dont care. all i know is that there are 2 pieces of child raping shit who are now wormfood and a homocidal psychopath is going to prison for close to life. how could this have worked out any better?
and how is the world safer? because thats a few more children who wont be raped and/or killed, and that guy wont be able to take out his rage on anyone else. AGAIN, i dont support the guys decision to kill, but i also dont support a child rapists right to...anything. you decide to rape children, you better be ready to face some pissed off vigilante. in fact i'd say they're lucky their lights were put out quickly. and no, i dont support vigilante justice, but at the same time i wouldnt blow any whistles about it either. people make their own beds to lie in, so **** em. just my take.
Originally posted by PVS
ok, please can i have an honest answer.
to all those who find this disgusting:are you concerned by it? not by people's reactions or even
the decision of the court. are you affected/concerned/upset/whatever
that they were killed? be honest. its not a loaded question, im just curious.
Concerned that there are people out there like this nutcase, yes. Just as I am concerned about many things. I won't lose sleep though.
Originally posted by PVS
as for me, i dont care. all i know is that there are 2 pieces of child raping shit who are now wormfood and a homocidal psychopath is going to prison for close to life. how could this have worked out any better?
All of them going to prison for accurate amounts of time, is how.
Originally posted by PVS
and how is the world safer? because thats a few more children who wont be raped and/or killed, and that guy wont be able to take out his rage on anyone else.
This doesn't make the world safer in any way, has no effect on my life or anyone else's does it? If you walk out your door, your chances of getting mugged, beaten or raped are not lower now. It's three people. The world isn't safer. There were kids and females getting raped while he committed those crimes, I'll bet. There were probably people getting tortured somewhere while he committed those crimes. The world isn't safer.
Proof of that is the amount of people here who support this kind of behaviour. The world will never be safe until people put aside the stupid belief that certain horrific crimes are commendable if they happen to certain people. If Bin Laden is being tortured by an American, I sure as hell won't complain. However, let's not overlook the fact that there is a person willing to carve someone up for pleasure doing this job (There's a difference between saying someone deserves torture and being off your brain enough to be able to carry it out).
The fact that people believe this guy killed for "good" doesn't change the fact that he killed willingly and without reason.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This doesn't make the world safer in any way, has no effect on my life or anyone else's does it? If you walk out your door, your chances of getting mugged, beaten or raped are not lower now. It's three people. The world isn't safer. There were kids and females getting raped while he committed those crimes, I'll bet. There were probably people getting tortured somewhere while he committed those crimes. The world isn't safer.Proof of that is the amount of people here who support this kind of behaviour. The world will never be safe until people put aside the stupid belief that certain horrific crimes are commendable if they happen to certain people. If Bin Laden is being tortured by an American, I sure as hell won't complain. However, let's not overlook the fact that there is a person willing to carve someone up for pleasure doing this job (There's a difference between saying someone deserves torture and being off your brain enough to be able to carry it out).
The fact that people believe this guy killed for "good" doesn't change the fact that he killed willingly and without reason.
-AC
if you are so trusting of the system of law then you are satisfied with the courts ruling and sentence and thus there is no issue to be taken here. as for people's reactions there will always be the irrational element of "ZOMG CUT OFF HIS BALLS AND HANG HIM BY HIS INTESTINES!!!11111" etc. you really let that shit bother you?
just look at the outcome and put your feelings on a shelf while you do. a murderer is in jail and two murderers are dead. statistically speaking, there is now a very minute difference in the danger to society, since...well they are in jail or dead. it doesnt effect you nor me, since neither of us are parents, children, murderers, nor rapists. correct. however i was thinking statistically. so no. i dont feel safer, dont be silly.
and i agree, the guy is a nut job. i only find a sense of justice in the outcome, but not for the sake of that man. i just think they deserved to die, not that the guy had a right to kill them. if a piano had fallen and crushed them both i would be just as content.
As disturbing as paedophilia can be, I don't think they deserve to die. I think they deserve to be in prison and I'm not one of those who will say "They won't get the sentence they deserve, so kill them."
Let's not forget that these two never killed anyone.
To which the only retort people have is the idiotic: "Yeah well, living a life after being abused is worse."
-AC
I don´t know if I agree with that or not, but if it was allowed for people to kill child rapers without being punished it will not make the society less safe. No one will want to be a child raper in a society like this.
How he is a menace to society ? He killed two child rapists, so what ? How is that bad for society ? I don´t think he is a hero, probably it was a problem for him, he had his "vengeance" on two people he did even know and got 44 years in jail by a silly thing that he was not even involved. It doesn´t matter for me if he choose to get involved in others bussiness and pass his entire life in jail, but it don´t affect me to know that two rapists die in a horrible way.
Originally posted by Mother of Sorgo
This will probably be the first ever time I agree with PVS.Though he shouldve just casturated them both.
Yeah and then feed them their balls...that would be the fair thing...and then rape their children in front of their eyes....cause they deserve it...they do....