Count Dooku Vs Obi-Wan(ROTS), Grievous, and Kit Fisto

Dooku kicked him hard, what you you mean tapped him? Dooku's strong as hell, for a human.

What I'm trying to say is he didn't exert himself too much with the kick and Anakin was down for a while.

James Luceno was allowed to read a copy of the ROTS script beforew writing Labrinth of Evil. The book if the official lead-in to ROTS.

The Cartoons are a direct lead-in.

Buddy, I read a copy of the RotS Script before the movie came out and made a Fan Fic on it so everything in my book is Canon then, yes?

Except your assuming the others will just stand still and watch him do this.

Fine. Dooku whips out two hands and does a widespread Lightning attack, frying them all. Kit would be finished because his body is likely nearly 95% liquid and Grievous would be done for sure and Kenobi would either be shocked or dazed. Or he uses one hand and grip Grievous or Lightning Grievous and keeps the Lightsaber in the other seeing as he is a one handed user with his Saber. He kept Anakin and Kenobi off with one hand. What makes you think he cannot do the same with Fisto and Kenobi?

Except Mace had to fight him lightsaber to lightsaber to beat him, in LOE, the more canon source.

Irrelevant.

We were talking about the Force in this situation, not Lightsabers.

I agree with you on everything apart from what you said about Dooku's lightning frying them all to death. Each of his opponents would be able to block his lightning (AOTC Kenobi was able to block it with relative ease). He would easily be able to take out Grievous with a force power like telekinesis of force crush, but lightning would not be the way because Grievous can very likely block it. You see in the CW cartoons that Grievous is able to block heavy blaster fire with relative ease, and blocking lightning is the same kind of technique so why would he not be able to block Dooku's weak lightning when AOTC Kenobi was able to? However if Dooku force crushes his mechanical limbs, he is no longer an issue in the fight. Anyway I think once he has taken out Grievous (which will take a few seconds), he will have to take out Kenobi and Fisto with a lightsaber, as I think that if they were prepared with their lightsabers ready, they would be able to block or resist any force powers he throws at them. So he would have to either outduel them and kill them with a swing of his lightsaber, or outduel them and kill them with an offensive force power. Either way he wins this relatively easily.

What I'm trying to say is he didn't exert himself too much with the kick and Anakin was down for a while.

Buddy, I read a copy of the RotS Script before the movie came out and made a Fan Fic on it so everything in my book is Canon then, yes?

Dooku whips out two hands and does a widespread Lightning attack, frying them all. Kit would be finished because his body is likely nearly 95% liquid and Grievous would be done for sure and Kenobi would either be shocked or dazed.

Or he uses one hand and grip Grievous or Lightning Grievous and keeps the Lightsaber in the other seeing as he is a one handed user with his Saber. He kept Anakin and Kenobi off with one hand. What makes you think he cannot do the same with Fisto and Kenobi?

We were talking about the Force in this situation, not Lightsabers.

Okay. What's the got to do with Grievous?

You tell me. You brought it up. This has nothing to do with the Grievous argument. This is a separate argument.

If you're having trouble sorting the two out, I can stop debating one.

James Luceno got one ebfore it was released to the oublic. Directly from Lucas.

Prove it.

Show me where it says he received the script throughout private means.

confused Uh, why couldn't Kit just block it with his lightsaber? Grievous, too? And Kenobi would not be shocked or dazed, he'd just block it with his saber lke in AOTC.

What makes you so sure that Kit Fisto can even block lightning? He uses one of the most simple Forms out there. Kenobi uses a defensive Form which is why it's so easy for him to block it.

Grievous most likely lacks the skill to block Lightning. He had difficulty blocking a Blaster Bolt to his chest. This shows he's insufficient with blocking. And the fact that he lost two hands merely seconds into his fight with Kenobi.

Well, it's kinda hard to concentrate on Obi-an and Kit while zapping Grievous, he's using his force powers on Grievous so he won't be able to fight the duo with the Force. It'd be like trying to sword fight two people and shoot someone at the same time.

Why is it hard? He has the experience and we've seen him multi-task numerous times.

So Mace could crush Grievous's chest but he chose not to in LOE?

Yeah. That's pretty much what happened. Mace's Form and his personality partake to the Thrill of Battle . . . The Thrill to duel and the Thrill of Victory. Why pass up a good Lightsaber fight and why use a Dark sided power AGAIN?

He's risking his integrity as a Jedi too.

Grievous can deflect shots, but he's not very good at it. He lacks the Force.

And somehow I don't think blocking lightning with your Lightsaber requires any Force powers. 😕

Originally posted by Captain REX
Grievous can deflect shots, but he's not very good at it. He lacks the Force.

And somehow I don't think blocking lightning with your Lightsaber requires any Force powers. 😕

Who said blocking Lightning requires Force powers?

That's weird, because I haven't seen anyone say anything like that yet.

You tell me. You brought it up. This has nothing to do with the Grievous argument. This is a separate argument.

Show me where it says he received the script throughout private means.

What makes you so sure that Kit Fisto can even block lightning? He uses one of the most simple Forms out there. Kenobi uses a defensive Form which is why it's so easy for him to block it.

Grievous most likely lacks the skill to block Lightning. He had difficulty blocking a Blaster Bolt to his chest. This shows he's insufficient with blocking. And the fact that he lost two hands merely seconds into his fight with Kenobi.

He has the experience and we've seen him multi-task numerous times.

Yeah. That's pretty much what happened. Mace's Form and his personality partake to the Thrill of Battle . . . The Thrill to duel and the Thrill of Victory. Why pass up a good Lightsaber fight and why use a Dark sided power AGAIN?

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
Yeah. That's pretty much what happened. Mace's Form and his personality partake to the Thrill of Battle . . . The Thrill to duel and the Thrill of Victory. Why pass up a good Lightsaber fight and why use a Dark sided power AGAIN?

That makes sense. Why pass up a good lightsaber fight when the friggin' Supreme Chancellor of the Galaxy is about to be whisked away to a distant star system. . .

You seem to having taken the basics of Vaapad to whole new level, Sorgo. Just because Mace likes fighting doesn't mean he's going to jump at everyone hacking and slashing whenever the slightest hint of danger arises. If you've read Shatterpoint, he tries to avoid battles when possible; Jedi training dies hard.

Originally posted by darthsith19
LOL, lame excuse. It's cause he can't crush Grievous's chest, just as he can't take out an entire droid army alone without his lightsaber.

For the record:

''Mace's troops were decimated by the terrible power of a seismic tank, and even though he was temporarily disarmed in the confusion of the battlefield, Mace was able to single-handedly defeat the droid forces and destroy the tank."

Originally posted by Captain REX
Grievous can deflect shots, but he's not very good at it. He lacks the Force.

And somehow I don't think blocking lightning with your Lightsaber requires any Force powers. 😕

He's shown to be pretty good at it in the CW cartoons. His 4 blades do help. He was caught of guard by Kenobi and because of the fact that he cannot feel the force, was not able to sense the attack.

Originaly I said "What's Dooku gonna do? Kick Grievous into a wall like he did with Anakin? roll eyes (sarcastic) ) and somehow we got into some kinda kicking debate involving how hard he kicked Anakin. Should we drop it?

Sure. If you want to.

When was the script released to the public?

Several months before the movie was released.

AOTC Anakin did it and Kit's a level or two above AOTC Obi-Wan. So what if he uses form one, it doesn't take alot of defense to hold up your lightsaber and block some lightning, it's really not much harder than blocking a laser bolt. I mean, it comes at you at about the same speed, right?

Lightning is sporadic and spontaneous and it usually sprouts out with eight-eleven spirt lines of Electricity.

Using Form I while trying to block eight-eleven lines of Electricity isn't too easy.

Kit would get thunderstruck.

The two hands he lost after about half a minute. Maybe he won't be able to block lightning. But Obi-Wan could. And he could put his blade in the lightning's path so it doesn't hit Grievous. I mean, they are on the same team.

Half a minute? He did his little flurry and then Kenobi cut off his first hand. That's five seconds. His second hand got lopped off ten seconds later.

Fifteen in total. That isn't half a minute.

If Kenobi put his Lightsaber in front of Grievous to block it, that leaves Kenobi open to the Lightning meaning he's going to get shocked.

Have we? Like when?

When he choked Kenobi and kicked Anakin. When he literally single handedly fought off both Anakin and Kenobi twice, the first time being when Anakin lost his arm.

He can use one hand to outduel two opponents. We've seen that.

What can he use the other hand for? The Force, of course!

LOL, lame excuse. It's cause he can't crush Grievous's chest, just as he can't take out an entire droid army alone without his lightsaber.

First of all, He DID crush Grievous' chest using a Dark Sided Power. Why would he risk his integrity as a Jedi when he can outduel the Son of a b*tch? Answer my question!

Here:

''Mace's troops were decimated by the terrible power of a seismic tank, and even though he was temporarily disarmed in the confusion of the battlefield, Mace was able to single-handedly defeat the droid forces and destroy the tank."

Originally posted by zod360
He's shown to be pretty good at it in the CW cartoons. His 4 blades do help. He was caught of guard by Kenobi and because of the fact that he cannot feel the force, was not able to sense the attack.

He was caught off guard by Kenobi? Kenobi was hanging off a damn cliff and used the Force to drag over Grievous' blaster which took three seconds to reach him. Grievous had picked up a staff and had plenty of time to bash Kenobi over the head OR even block the bolts IF he had the skill which I doubt he did.

Originally posted by Faunus
That makes sense. Why pass up a good lightsaber fight when the friggin' Supreme Chancellor of the Galaxy is about to be whisked away to a distant star system. . .

You seem to having taken the basics of Vaapad to whole new level, Sorgo. Just because Mace likes fighting doesn't mean he's going to jump at everyone hacking and slashing whenever the slightest hint of danger arises. If you've read Shatterpoint, he tries to avoid battles when possible; Jedi training dies hard.

It's funny how he apparently utilizes his Jedi Training oh so much yet he wishes to Kill someone he was sent to arrest even if it defies the code completely.

Wow.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
It's funny how he apparently utilizes his Jedi Training oh so much yet he wishes to Kill someone he was sent to arrest even if it defies the code completely.

Wow.

It was the only option, his only choice. Letting him live would have destoryed the republic and the Jedi Order, Mace wasn't an idiot, he didn't want to defy the Jedi Code but he knew it was his, the Jedi's, the Republics his only chance.

Even Yoda said that they needed to destroy the Sith, not capture them destroy. The time for capturing was over, it was time to kill.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
He was caught off guard by Kenobi? Kenobi was hanging off a damn cliff and used the Force to drag over Grievous' blaster which took three seconds to reach him. Grievous had picked up a staff and had plenty of time to bash Kenobi over the head OR even block the bolts IF he had the skill which I doubt he did.

Well how else can you explain it? I mean he is shown in the Clone Wars cartoons to easily deflect heavy blaster fire, so it is foolish to assume that Grievous would not be able to block a blast from Kenobi (who is not exactly a great shooter).

Originally posted by zod360
Well how else can you explain it? I mean he is shown in the Clone Wars cartoons to easily deflect heavy blaster fire, so it is foolish to assume that Grievous would not be able to block a blast from Kenobi (who is not exactly a great shooter).

Yet still Kenobi had perfect aim and hit GG exactly where he needed too, he may not have trained with the weapon but he was still pretty good with it. And how would I explain the blocking? Well either GG was swinging his blade faster then the lasers were coming at him, or perhaps and this is just as likely he never really blocked them and its just all more over the top CW bullshit...

Originally posted by zod360
Well how else can you explain it? I mean he is shown in the Clone Wars cartoons to easily deflect heavy blaster fire, so it is foolish to assume that Grievous would not be able to block a blast from Kenobi (who is not exactly a great shooter).

Do you NOT GET IT YET?!!?

No, It is NOT foolish to assume that Grievous couldn't deflect a bolt from Kenobi because he DIDN'T deflect a Bolt from Kenobi and it killed him.

If he cannot deflect one Bolt, I wonder how he can deflect eight to eleven strands of Lightning coming full force towards him.

Originally posted by Fishy
It was the only option, his only choice. Letting him live would have destoryed the republic and the Jedi Order, Mace wasn't an idiot, he didn't want to defy the Jedi Code but he knew it was his, the Jedi's, the Republics his only chance.

Even Yoda said that they needed to destroy the Sith, not capture them destroy. The time for capturing was over, it was time to kill.

It was not his only Option! He was sitting there ready to kill Sidious and he had tons of options! He came there to arrest Palpatine and I know he expected the worst so why change his plans? Why defy the Jedi Code went you weren't going to in the first place? Why kill an unarmed prisoner when it goes D I R E C T L Y against the Code?

Mace was changing due to his Form.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
It was not his only Option! He was sitting there ready to kill Sidious and he had tons of options! He came there to arrest Palpatine and I know he expected the worst so why change his plans? Why defy the Jedi Code went you weren't going to in the first place? Why kill an unarmed prisoner when it goes D I R E C T L Y against the Code?

Mace was changing due to his Form.

Name 1 option he had that didn't involve killing Palpatine and ending the Republic? That also wouldn't be in violation with the Jedi Code?

Just one?

Arresting him was impossible, he would have escaped using the force.

Putting him on trial was impossible he owned the courts and the senate

So what could Mace have done?

Originally posted by Fishy
Name 1 option he had that didn't involve killing Palpatine and ending the Republic? That also wouldn't be in violation with the Jedi Code?

Just one?

Arresting him was impossible, he would have escaped using the force.

Putting him on trial was impossible he owned the courts and the senate

So what could Mace have done?

He would escape using the Force? Prove it. He could be bound with the Force as well.

If the Senate and Republic knew of his actions, he could be tried and convicted.

He isn't perfect and he may not have been able to completely manipulate through the System and the Jedi. If the Jedi said Palpatine was a Sith Lord, he's a Sith Lord! The Republic trust the Jedi and Sidious would be finished.