Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
Do you NOT GET IT YET?!!?No, It is NOT foolish to assume that Grievous couldn't deflect a bolt from Kenobi because he DIDN'T deflect a Bolt from Kenobi and it killed him.
If he cannot deflect one Bolt, I wonder how he can deflect eight to eleven strands of Lightning coming full force towards him.
Do you NOT GET IT YET?!!?
There is evidence of him deflecting rapid heavy fire so I don not know what the hell you are talking about.
Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
He would escape using the Force? Prove it. He could be bound with the Force as well.If the Senate and Republic knew of his actions, he could be tried and convicted.
He isn't perfect and he may not have been able to completely manipulate through the System and the Jedi. If the Jedi said Palpatine was a Sith Lord, he's a Sith Lord! The Republic trust the Jedi and Sidious would be finished.
Prove that he would use the force to escape? How would he not? Destroy the walls with lightning, persuade his guards with force control. Do those times have cells that can hold force users? I never even heard of one in the PT times so its a bit foolish to assume that they do, prison system sure as hell has changed since times when they could hold force users without guards. And the only one's powerful enough to guard him where Mace and Yoda, I doubt they would have liked sitting around Sidious paying the outmost attention 24/7 and that it was even possible.
And Sidious controlled the damned senate, it became clear he was a Sith Lord later on and the Senate still didn't massively rebell, why because they knew and trusted Palpatine.
Of course Sidious would not have manipulated everybody but he would have had a greater field for it then the Jedi did, who are you going to trust the Jedi or the leader of the republic when both are accusing the other of the same thing? The one that gives you most the one you like most Sidious.
They could not have held him, Mace knew this. Keeping Sidious alive was giving him freedom and dooming the republic.
Prove that he would use the force to escape? How would he not? Destroy the walls with lightning, persuade his guards with force control. Do those times have cells that can hold force users? I never even heard of one in the PT times so its a bit foolish to assume that they do, prison system sure as hell has changed since times when they could hold force users without guards. And the only one's powerful enough to guard him where Mace and Yoda, I doubt they would have liked sitting around Sidious paying the outmost attention 24/7 and that it was even possible.
I'm sure they have a good enough system seeing as they wished to arrest him twice.
And Sidious controlled the damned senate, it became clear he was a Sith Lord later on and the Senate still didn't massively rebell, why because they knew and trusted Palpatine.
It became clear that he was a Sith Lord? More bullshit. He told people that Mace disfigured his face. He said nothing about being a Sith Lord.
If everyone knew that, they would have freaked. I'm guessing that's why he was hiding it for the past . . . Y'know . . . decade.
No one knew he was except for the select few Jedi and they didn't reveal it to the public.
Of course Sidious would not have manipulated everybody but he would have had a greater field for it then the Jedi did, who are you going to trust the Jedi or the leader of the republic when both are accusing the other of the same thing? The one that gives you most the one you like most Sidious.
What the hell? The Jedi were the peacekeepers and if they preached against the Senate suddenly, the public obviously would have wondered "Well, the Jedi cannot be complaining for no reason whatsoever. Maybe the Senate is corrupted."
Yoda is just as wise as Sidious is. Why wouldn't he make a venerable debate during his trial? Seriously now?
They could not have held him, Mace knew this. Keeping Sidious alive was giving him freedom and dooming the republic.
Since when is imprisonment freedom, Fishy?
I'm sure they have a good enough system seeing as they wished to arrest him twice.
Once when they entered his office, once when he lost his lightsaber and was on the ground before he used his lightning. when he used lightning Mace knew Sidious would not be held and they couldn't arrest him he was to dangerous. So it seems that they couldn't have held him afterall...
It became clear that he was a Sith Lord? More bullshit. He told people that Mace disfigured his face. He said nothing about being a Sith Lord.If everyone knew that, they would have freaked. I'm guessing that's why he was hiding it for the past . . . Y'know . . . decade.
No one knew he was except for the select few Jedi and they didn't reveal it to the public.
Is that why a lof of people during the empire era know about it? The senate would have known better then others.
What the hell? The Jedi were the peacekeepers and if they preached against the Senate suddenly, the public obviously would have wondered "Well, the Jedi cannot be complaining for no reason whatsoever. Maybe the Senate is corrupted."Yoda is just as wise as Sidious is. Why wouldn't he make a venerable debate during his trial? Seriously now?
Because Sidious is a politician and he would make the least ridiculious claim, he was around the senators and the people when the Jedi were out there fighting a war nbodoy wanted. Who is going to be more popular? Sidious.
Since when is imprisonment freedom, Fishy?
Since they won't be able to hold him.
Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
I'm sure they have a good enough system seeing as they wished to arrest him twice.It became clear that he was a Sith Lord? More bullshit. He told people that Mace disfigured his face. He said nothing about being a Sith Lord.
If everyone knew that, they would have freaked. I'm guessing that's why he was hiding it for the past . . . Y'know . . . decade.
No one knew he was except for the select few Jedi and they didn't reveal it to the public.
What the hell? The Jedi were the peacekeepers and if they preached against the Senate suddenly, the public obviously would have wondered "Well, the Jedi cannot be complaining for no reason whatsoever. Maybe the Senate is corrupted."
Yoda is just as wise as Sidious is. Why wouldn't he make a venerable debate during his trial? Seriously now?
Since when is imprisonment freedom, Fishy?
1. I'm glad you're sure they had a good enough system for a sith lord, especially since they thought the sith have been extinct for a millennium.
2. It doesn't matter whether people knew he was a sith lord or not, he had control of the entire senate, had their loyalty and trust.
3. Yes only a few people knew he was a sith lord, what is your point?
4. There was a lot of turmoil and distruct concerning the jedi at the time of the clone wars. It was being viewed as the Jedi were trying take over the republic, which was the exact image Palpatine gave to the senate. Due to the genius strategies of Palpatine the Republic had no reason to think the senate was corrupted, again they were starting to not trust the jedi.
5. Again, the sith are the enemy of the Jedi, why would they imprison them? "Destroy the Sith we must". Doesn't look like the words of someone who would try to capture a sith lord and try to debate his freedom during a trial.
Several months before the movie was released.
Lightning is sporadic and spontaneous and it usually sprouts out with eight-eleven spirt lines of Electricity.
Half a minute? He did his little flurry and then Kenobi cut off his first hand. That's five seconds. His second hand got lopped off ten seconds later.
If Kenobi put his Lightsaber in front of Grievous to block it, that leaves Kenobi open to the Lightning meaning he's going to get shocked.
When he choked Kenobi and kicked Anakin.
When he literally single handedly fought off both Anakin and Kenobi twice, the first time being when Anakin lost his arm.
He can use one hand to outduel two opponents. We've seen that.What can he use the other hand for? The Force, of course!
First of all, He DID crush Grievous' chest using a Dark Sided Power. Why would he risk his integrity as a Jedi when he can outduel the Son of a b*tch? Answer my question!
''Mace's troops were decimated by the terrible power of a seismic tank, and even though he was temporarily disarmed in the confusion of the battlefield, Mace was able to single-handedly defeat the droid forces and destroy the tank."
No, It is NOT foolish to assume that Grievous couldn't deflect a bolt from Kenobi because he DIDN'T deflect a Bolt from Kenobi and it killed him.
1. They were planning on arresting him. I'm sure that their plan was good enough.
2. If the Republic finds out he is a Sith Lord, his trust runs down the drain. The Republic trusts the Jedi as a whole more than one man.
3. I've already explained my point. Have you not been reading?
4. Sidious said that because he was let free and the Jedi had no time to alert the public or the Republic. That's one of the reasons why he eliminated the Jedi. Or at least tried to.
He wanted to silence them annually.
5. The Jedi don't believe in murdering their enemies! Destroy the Sith doesn't mean Kill the Sith as I mentioned earlier.
Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
1. They were planning on arresting him. I'm sure that their plan was good enough.
Yes they did, and then they noticed what he was capable of and decided against it. Mace knew that a Sith Lord of that power, that ran so deep into the republic influeinces was not to be trusted. He came there to arrest him before he ever even saw anything of Palpatine his power.
2. If the Republic finds out he is a Sith Lord, his trust runs down the drain. The Republic trusts the Jedi as a whole more than one man.
But it wouldn't be one man, it would be a lot of man. Besides Mace might have realized that the clones were on Palpatine his command above all, so that another 600.000 clones. Palpatine is not alone, you are underestimating his influeinces...
4. Sidious said that because he was let free and the Jedi had no time to alert the public or the Republic. That's one of the reasons why he eliminated the Jedi. Or at least tried to.
With one speech he convinced most of the Republic the Jedi were evil, he convinced them they tried to kill him, one speach. That shows how deep the trust in the Jedi was, perhaps if Yoda would have been there it wouldn't have happened as fast or with as big a group of senators but Sidious would have still won.
5. The Jedi don't believe in murdering their enemies! Destroy the Sith doesn't mean Kill the Sith as I mentioned earlier.
Tell me how can you destroy the Sith without killing them?
How long do you think it took Luceno to write LOE?
A few months.
Hey, don't get all technical. And that's electricity, this is Dark Side Lightning. If AOTC Obi-Wan can block it surly Kit can.
Oh! I apologize! Let me do this properly.
Dark Side Lightning is twice as powerful as Electricity and stronger.
^ There. Is that better? Oh! And It probably has more strands of Lightning. And no, Kit most likely can't block it. His Form is too simple.
It took 36.88 seconds for Obi-Wan to chop off two of Grievous's hands. A minute is 60 seconds. So I was wrong, if took over 1/2 a minute. Sorry.
I can do that too.
It took Kenobi 16.72 Seconds to cut off both hands.
Yeah, Kit's just stand there and smile. Oh, and so would Grievous.
I thought Kenobi was supposed to be blocking the Lightning from destroying Grievous. If Grievous moves, Dooku just turns his hand and ZAP! If Kit ran over, Dooku would use his available hand to put Kit down like the dog that he is.
He kicked Ani and then choked Obi-Wan. It didn't happen at the same time.
Actually, he did it at the same time.
He never did two things at once. The first time he did 1 thing, zapped Anakin, then did another thing, beat Obi-Wan, then did a third thing, beat Anakin. The second time they fought he was doing one thing; lightsaber dueling.
^ Dooku taking on two Lightsabers with one hand.
Do I have to get a GIF of when Dooku takes on both Anakin and Kenobi with one hand in RotS, DS19?
To fucus on two things at once? As said before, that's like sword fighting with one hand and shooting someone with the other at the same time. It's hard to concentrate on both at once well enough to acclompish what you're trying to do. Kinda like you can't make a square in the air with one finger while making a circle with the other. Doesn't work.
What? I did that Square/Circle thing just now. what are you talking about?
It isn't hard to Multi task like that. As I said earlier, he has Multi Tasked previously. Extending his hand while using his Lightsaber with one hand (Which he usually does) Is not difficult.
He never curshed GG's chest, exactly, he wouldn't want to risk his integrity as a Jedi.
He used Force Grip to compact his lungs. Get it yet?
Yeah, the EU section of the databank. Doesn't mean anything.
The hell it doesn't. That's the official website for STAR WARS.
Omg, of course he didn't block it, he didn't have a lightsaber what's he gonna block it with?
The two sided staff that the Bodyguards were blocking bolts with earlier.
Yes they did, and then they noticed what he was capable of and decided against it. Mace knew that a Sith Lord of that power, that ran so deep into the republic influeinces was not to be trusted. He came there to arrest him before he ever even saw anything of Palpatine his power.
He knew of Sidious' power for the last damn time! That's why he brought three Jedi Council Masters.
He knew of the danger and his power.
But it wouldn't be one man, it would be a lot of man. Besides Mace might have realized that the clones were on Palpatine his command above all, so that another 600.000 clones. Palpatine is not alone, you are underestimating his influeinces...
If Mace realized that, every Jedi would be out there fighting them instead of being shot from behind or suprise attacked like most were.
With one speech he convinced most of the Republic the Jedi were evil, he convinced them they tried to kill him, one speach. That shows how deep the trust in the Jedi was, perhaps if Yoda would have been there it wouldn't have happened as fast or with as big a group of senators but Sidious would have still won.
That's a pathetically ridiculous assumption!
You have no back-up stating that Sidious would have won over the argument if Yoda was there.
No Jedi were there to back it up. That's why Sidious had them all halted or destroyed. It was easy for him to convince the Republic alone considering the Jedi weren't around to go against him.
Tell me how can you destroy the Sith without killing them?
Throw them in a prison or strip them of their power.
I'm sure the Jedi had a plan when they intended on arresting Palpatine.
He knew of Sidious' power for the last damn time! That's why he brought three Jedi Council Masters.He knew of the danger and his power.
Mace knew of Sidious his power? Mace had never ever once seen Sidious fight how could he have known of his power? What kind of a stupid assumption is this? Besides he was already on the way to Sidious with those three masters.
If Mace realized that, every Jedi would be out there fighting them instead of being shot from behind or suprise attacked like most were.
When would Mace have warned the Jedi? Before taking Sidious in? Which he intended to do, he didn't think he would lose he would just go there arrest Sidious and the war would be over, thats it. Thats all, he had no reason to attack his clones.
That's a pathetically ridiculous assumption!You have no back-up stating that Sidious would have won over the argument if Yoda was there.
No Jedi were there to back it up. That's why Sidious had them all halted or destroyed. It was easy for him to convince the Republic alone considering the Jedi weren't around to go against him.
No but it perfectly shows how popular the Jedi were, if they were trusted if they would have really been popular, if people would have understood them then they would not have trusted Sidious.
Mace did not get controlled by Vaapad he did not turn to the Dark side because he wanted to kill Sidious, he wanted to kill Sidious because he knew damned well that it was the only chance the republic had, the only chance the Jedi had.
Originally posted by Fishy
[B]Mace knew of Sidious his power? Mace had never ever once seen Sidious fight how could he have known of his power? What kind of a stupid assumption is this? Besides he was already on the way to Sidious with those three masters.
He was going there with three Masters because he knew he wasn't a weakling, he knew he might pwn him in Saber combat and he knew he might use Dark side force powers. Bottom line.
When would Mace have warned the Jedi? Before taking Sidious in? Which he intended to do, he didn't think he would lose he would just go there arrest Sidious and the war would be over, thats it. Thats all, he had no reason to attack his clones.
Exactly. So the Clones would possibly never attack without the given Order on Sidious' arrest.
Sidious would have been arrested and a new Chancellor would be installed. The War between the Separatists and the Republic would have continued maybe for a few more years and the Republic would finish them.
No but it perfectly shows how popular the Jedi were, if they were trusted if they would have really been popular, if people would have understood them then they would not have trusted Sidious.
Unfortunately for you, Perfection is unexistant.
If Sidious was arrested, he would have stood trial. He would splurge on how the Jedi are bad, etc etc
The Jedi Masters would be there to act against Sidious and they would most likely win over Sidious due to their mutual respect with the Republic and Sidious' new eyes and face. Not to mention, the Republic would want nothing to do with a Sith lord.
Mace did not get controlled by Vaapad he did not turn to the Dark side because he wanted to kill Sidious, he wanted to kill Sidious because he knew damned well that it was the only chance the republic had, the only chance the Jedi had.
He wanted to kill Sidious because he was amped for it. His Form shows you the true thrill of Battle and dueling. That's why it leads to the Dark Side.
Sorgo no need to embarass yourself with personal attacks and again you are wrong. He went in with 3 jedi because it is better to be safe than sorry. You ever see 1 cop coming to arrest someone and take them to jail, or are there a number of them? Thought so. Sidious would NOT have been arrested because it was his word, whom the senate trusted, against Jedi, whom the senate did NOT trust. Try again.
He wanted to kill Sidious because he was amped for it. His Form shows you the true thrill of Battle and dueling. That's why it leads to the Dark Side.
^are you kidding me? Where are you pulling this crap from? As the leader or co leader of the Jedi council he realized while fighting Sidious that the only way to ensure the survival of the Jedi Knights was to destroy the Sith lord, because as we know the first priority of the Sith has always been to take out the Jedi, so once again you are wrong.
Originally posted by tdtd
Sorgo no need to embarass yourself with personal attacks and again you are wrong. He went in with 3 jedi because it is better to be safe than sorry. You ever see 1 cop coming to arrest someone and take them to jail, or are there a number of them? Thought so. Sidious would NOT have been arrested because it was his word, whom the senate trusted, against Jedi, whom the senate did NOT trust. Try again.
No need to embarass yourself by justifying an opinion as venerable fact, Tdtd.
Yoda went alone to capture Sidious.
Anakin and Kenobi only took each other to defeat Dooku.
And Mace? He took FOUR Jedi with him. He knew Sidious would probably smash him with the Force or with a Lightsaber but they still went on an ARREST mission.
Four Jedi going to take down one Sith Lord is not common occurance. It was usually two. Same with Maul. Same with Dooku.
They knew he had considerate power.
Try again . . . But don't fail next time.
^are you kidding me? Where are you pulling this crap from? As the leader or co leader of the Jedi council he realized while fighting Sidious that the only way to ensure the survival of the Jedi Knights was to destroy the Sith lord, because as we know the first priority of the Sith has always been to take out the Jedi, so once again you are wrong.
Yeah, and a Jedi's priority is not to practice Sith Technique. If he was acting normal, he shouldn't have wanted him dead. He should have formally arrested him. His job was not to kill him at that Office and his agenda should not have changed. The Jedi do not kill an unarmed prisoner UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
Originally posted by Lörd SorgoNo need to embarass yourself by justifying an opinion as venerable fact, Tdtd.
Yoda went alone to capture Sidious.
Anakin and Kenobi only took each other to defeat Dooku.
And Mace? He took FOUR Jedi with him. He knew Sidious would probably smash him with the Force or with a Lightsaber but they still went on an ARREST mission.
Four Jedi going to take down one Sith Lord is not common occurance. It was usually two. Same with Maul. Same with Dooku.
They knew he had considerate power.
Try again . . . But don't fail next time.
Yeah, and a Jedi's priority is not to practice Sith Technique. If he was acting normal, he shouldn't have wanted him dead. He should have formally arrested him. His job was not to kill him at that Office and his agenda should not have changed. The Jedi do not kill an unarmed prisoner UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. [/B]
Telling me I'm embarassing yourself while coming up with zero arguments and no common sense is a good way to lie to yourself, as you've proven with every post. Since you've embarassed yourself enough, I guess another few times won't hurt.
1. Yes Yoda went alone to not capture, but DESTROY Sidious since he KNEW he was the only one in the order that could do it..
2. Mace took 3 other Jedi with him because he DIDNT KNOW what he was up again, your stupid assumptions make your argument weak. That includes Windu supposedly thinking Palpatine could smash him with the force and lightsaber, which he failed to do so on both instances.. Moving on.
3. You said "Four Jedi going to take down one Sith Lord is not common occurance. It was usually two. Same with Maul. Same with Dooku."
Don't know where you pulled that one out of, there was no pattern with the Maul fight nor the Dooku fight. It's common sense that 2 is better than 1 and as a team they would have more of a chance to extinguish the threat.
4. Only YODA suspected how powerful Palpatine was, nobody else..
If you're going to embarass yourself, don't use denial as a defense mechanism by saying I'm embarassing myself when I'm providing logical facts while you're providing illogical speculation.
Originally posted by Lörd SorgoNo need to embarass yourself by justifying an opinion as venerable fact, Tdtd.
Yoda went alone to capture Sidious.
Anakin and Kenobi only took each other to defeat Dooku.
And Mace? He took FOUR Jedi with him. He knew Sidious would probably smash him with the Force or with a Lightsaber but they still went on an ARREST mission.
Four Jedi going to take down one Sith Lord is not common occurance. It was usually two. Same with Maul. Same with Dooku.
They knew he had considerate power.
Try again . . . But don't fail next time.
Yeah, and a Jedi's priority is not to practice Sith Technique. If he was acting normal, he shouldn't have wanted him dead. He should have formally arrested him. His job was not to kill him at that Office and his agenda should not have changed. The Jedi do not kill an unarmed prisoner UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. [/B]
Capturing and destroying aren't the same thing. You don't destroy the Sith if they are still alive... Try again.
Also Mace was already going to Sidious with 3 other Jedi to tell him the war was over and to relieve him of his duty's, he didn't take 3 Jedi with him because Sidious was a Sith Lord he would have done so if Sidious was still the politician Mace thought he was.
Mace did what he knew he had to do, he did not turn to the Dark Side....