When lightnong hits you, you get electrocuted. You don't fly back cause it hits you from above. if someone used Dark Side lightning from above you you wouldn't fly back. Having multiple strands does not mean that it's stronger.
Having multiple strands indicates it can infuse more power than a single strand. What's better: One flame or four lined up?
When Lightning hits people, at least 80% of them fly back at least two to three feet.
And by your logic Kit, who's one of the strongest jedi in the Order, can't block a blaster bolt. Oh shit, didn't that happen in AOTC? And The Cestus Deception? Oh yeah...
We also saw two hundred other Jedi block blaster bolts in that Arena and survive. You're saying they can all block Lightning? Bullshit.
No Offense, but Kit wasn't NEAR one of the strongest Jedi in the order.
He was damn strong, but he got his ass kicked by Sidious.
You should talk. Now are you:
A. Going to accept my time
B. Going to truthfully time it yourself using a stopwatch.
C. Going to reply with something totally irrelevent and stupid.[/b]If you could read the... Er... Legalized versions time, you would know the time. Stop watches can be incorrect sometimes. Use the actual source.
Your time is bullshit. That's the funny part.
Here, I'll leave "C" for you to use . . . Again.
[quote]It's the same with each one of these attacks. You think he's jusst chock Obi-Wan out of the way and the others'll just stand there and watch.
You keep on flipping the scenario. Here, let me flip it back.
Dooku force pushes Kit and Grievous and then Chokes Kenobi while they attempt to get up. While they're getting up, Dooku bashes him into a wall, knocking him out. He then takes on the two others, most likely killing Kit first and then raping the cybernetic loser that he taught.
He fought better than Obi-Wan in The Cestus Deception but in AOTC Obi-Wan blocked lightnkng with ease. Kit has blocked laser bolts. He can block lightning, unless you can provide some non-bullshit reason why lightning would be harder to block than laser bolts.
Stop relating Bolts to Lightning. We've gone through this. They are totally seperate. Unless blaster bolts can fling people fifty feet out of windows, be powerful enough to knock Lightsabers out of Jedis hands, make them reek of smoke and literally melt them then you can compare them.
So, Kit fights better than Kenobi in TCD? This automatically means he can block lightning?
That's some hella fallible Logic.
They are two totally different Jedi with very different Forms.
Kit fighting better than Kenobi in a book doesn't prove that he CAN block Lightning attacks.
That just won't cut it.
Oh. see, I thought you were talking about shocking and dueling at the same time, cause you said "Because you said Dooku can't use one hand and shock someone and use the other to Duel. That's bullshit. I have provided evidence that he can." so are we talking lightning and saber or just lightsabers?
I was talking about the ability to multi task and Dooku has proven it. If he has a free hand while he is dueling and he wants to use it, he will.
Because your the first person I ever met who can do it, and I've seen about a hundred try, I don't believe you.
My cousin can do it too.
Maybe the people you tried out are just retarded. Or can't perform two tasks at one time.
Nope. The movie directly makes a reference to LOE, proving that it must have taken place.
The Cartoons whole emphasis makes a reference to the movie, dude.
That's not the greatest excuse for LOE defeating CW in Canon terms.
Try again.
Good God, Sorgo, havn't you ever heard about this before in all your time on KMC? Surely you have, but just to make sure, here ya go.The source of that battle is bullshit. It's the same comic where Han Solo lands on Earth. Bullshit. If you don't believe me ask anyone else on here. Someone you will believe.
The information is coming directly from Lucas' site and I'm sure it's not bullshit.
Yeah, Lucas is just going to have complete non canon crap posted on his website.
It happened. Just face it.
Sorgo Count Dooku would win this but you are debating really poorly. He would not just be able to destroy Kit and Grievous with lightning. Maybe Grievous but he is much better off force crushing him or something. Kit Fisto would easily block his lightning - he is a master of the 2nd most defensive form.
Having multiple strands indicates it can infuse more power than a single strand. What's better: One flame or four lined up?
When Lightning hits people, at least 80% of them fly back at least two to three feet
We also saw two hundred other Jedi block blaster bolts in that Arena and survive. You're saying they can all block Lightning? Bullshit.
No Offense, but Kit wasn't NEAR one of the strongest Jedi in the order.He was damn strong, but he got his ass kicked by Sidious.
Dooku force pushes Kit and Grievous and then Chokes Kenobi while they attempt to get up. While they're getting up, Dooku bashes him into a wall, knocking him out. He then takes on the two others, most likely killing Kit first and then raping the cybernetic loser that he taught.
Stop relating Bolts to Lightning. We've gone through this. They are totally seperate. Unless blaster bolts can fling people fifty feet out of windows, be powerful enough to knock Lightsabers out of Jedis hands, make them reek of smoke and literally melt them then you can compare them.
So, Kit fights better than Kenobi in TCD? This automatically means he can block lightning?
I was talking about the ability to multi task and Dooku has proven it. If he has a free hand while he is dueling and he wants to use it, he will.
Maybe the people you tried out are just retarded. Or can't perform two tasks at one time.
Sorgo, if your really gonna try and say the comics where Han Solo lands on earth are canon then your hopeless.
Normaly I would go with the "ANAKIN WOULD WIN CAUSE HES T3H CH0S3N 1 !!!111. But hes not in here so...I would agree with the anomaly and say that Dooku cannot block all of those light sabres at the same time. Now true one person would have to stand back and watch, but if Dooku used hiss four light sabres in front and Obi-wan came at dooku from the back, Dooku will explode. And since Im never wrong about anything... this thread is no-
closed. 😛
I wonder why this thread is 9 pages long...really...
Dooku will just own Grievous with force lightning. Obi-Wan and Kit might be able to block that but not Grievous.
That leaves Dooku vs Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto. Now I see the same thing happening as we have seen in the beginning of ROTS. Using force choke against one of them while kicking the other around or keep the other one busy. He even could dominate them with sheer saber abilities (and tactical manouvers). So either he cuts one of them down or takes one of them out via the force.
At the end that will leave Dooku versus either Kit or Obi-Wan and he can tool both of them in a 1vs1 situation.
Conclusion: Dooku wins. Period.
Originally posted by Borbarad
I wonder why this thread is 9 pages long...really...Dooku will just own Grievous with force lightning. Obi-Wan and Kit might be able to block that but not Grievous.
That leaves Dooku vs Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto. Now I see the same thing happening as we have seen in the beginning of ROTS. Using force choke against one of them while kicking the other around or keep the other one busy. He even could dominate them with sheer saber abilities (and tactical manouvers). So either he cuts one of them down or takes one of them out via the force.
At the end that will leave Dooku versus either Kit or Obi-Wan and he can tool both of them in a 1vs1 situation.
Conclusion: Dooku wins. Period.
You assume far to much. The number of strands doesn't matter cause for all we know one strand of lightning on Earth could be as strong as two thousand strands of Dark Side lightning.
I'll ask the same question: If it is as powerful, why does it only process one strand? Why aren't people flinging back fifty feet like with Sidious? Or Fifteen feet like Anakin did with Dookus?
Because it doesn't come from the side of them. If they fly back then the lightning came at somewhat of an angle.
No, If it was powerful enough, they would go back several feet. You think if Sidious did his Lightning from above and charged it like he did with Mace, Mace would have just fallen? No, he would have scraped across whatever surface because the power of Sidious' Lightning wouldn't change and I'm sure Mace's weight wouldn't. From an angular speculation, Sidious would still have a high enough caliber from above to make Mace dance at least twenty feet.
Not to mention regular Lightning doesn't hold the capacity and lacks the ability to be charged like Sith Lightning.
We also saw two hundred other Jedi block blaster bolts in that Arena and survive. You're saying they can all block Lightning? Bullshit.
I'm saying they can't. You're saying they can. What is wrong with you?
No, most of those Jedi died. But if you would, please enlighten be as to why they couldn't block lightning.
You're asking me to prove a negative.
I call Logical Fallacy!
Enlighten me as to how they could block Lightning, seeing as they wouldn't be taught how to do that because the Sith hadn't been seen for a thousand years, especially went Jedi like Kit haven't mastered such defense forms.
Like I said, Shii Cho is powerful in it's simplicity, but when you get down to grinding the bone: It's still Simple!
I never denied that he got his ass kicked by Sidious, did I? And yes, he is near one of the strongest Jedi in the Order. Who's stronger, Sorgo? Mace, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Luminara, Cin, Plo and then comes Kit, IMO. I'd say 8th strongest is still one of the strongest.
Try Yoda, Mace, Anakin, Kenobi, Quinlan and Cin.
I'd rate Kit, Koon and Luminara as Sevens.
Kenobi is an exceptional Jedi Master and is an eight.
And YOU say Kit is the eighth strongest. That's just a matter of opinion. Hell, I say he's the nineteenth strongest. My word is as good as yours in this matter.
Hmm. Force pushed both at once, eh? Sorgo, if he could do that how come he didn't in ROTS? Force push Anakin into a wall and then choke Kenobi?
Who force pushed Anakin into a wall? He kicked him while choking Kenobi. He didn't need to push both of them. It wasn't a problem because he wasn't having difficulty with them.
Your talking of Sidious's lightning. Obi-Wan blocked Dooku's lightning with as much ease as if it were a blaster bolt. It seems to come at you at the same speed as a blaster bolt. So there's no reason it'd be any harder to block than a blaster bolt. Therefor Kit can block it.
Whether you MAY THINK they come in the same speed doesn't matter. They're two separate things that have separate powers and separate speeds. Kenobi is exceptional with the defensive stance and probably didn't have much trouble blocking a medium-powered strain of Lightning. Assuming that everyone else can do because Kenobi did is outright silly. SILLY!
So, Kit uses form one and that automatically means that he can't block lightning?
You got it.
As good as Shii Cho is, it lacks the advancement to do such maneuvers such as blocking Lightning really effectively.
And if he blocked it long enough, Dooku could also ante up the power on the Lightning and push his Lightsaber towards his body.
Ohh.... That would be fun to watch!
So if Yoda, no, if DN Luke used Form One he couldn't block lightning?
No, they'd probably learn the technique separately, especially seeing as the Sith were rising at that time and Lightning was a potential threat.
If Exar Kun used form one then he couldn't block lightning? That's a real assumption that he can't block it just because of form one, Sorgo.
It's a real assumption saying it CAN be done, seeing as how Form One is so simple and seeing how that technique would be rarely taught ESPECIALLY THROUGH FORM ONE because the Sith were not around at the time.
So then why didn't he zap oda during their duel? I mean, he did have a free hand. Why didn't he zap Mace when they fought? he did have a free hand. Why didn't he zap Anakin or Obi-Wan either of the times they fought? After all, he did have a free hand.
First of all, Yoda was a more challenging opponent and needed Dooku's full attention. Dooku was using TWO HANDS most of the time while fighting Yoda.
Yoda isn't exactly a pushover. And Dooku tried to shock Yoda but failed. Why the f*ck would he be stupid enough to try it again? Seriously.
He didn't need to zap Mace! Christ! They were enduring close combat and Dooku wouldn't need to at the time. Not to mention, Mace and Dooku are venerably on par and both would need to pay full attention to each other while dueling.
He didn't zap Obi Wan or Anakin because he choked one and kicked the other. He didn't in their first battle in AotC because Dooku had already zapped Anakin and then cut Kenobis leg and thigh. It didn't need to be used.
Fine. He doesn't use Lightning. Kit and Kenobi run up to him. He chokes one and force pushes the other. Or they try to duel him and get put down. Or maybe he does shock both of them!
The possibilities are endless. Dooku would kick the crap out of them.
Uh huh, and maybe your superman. I don't think so.
Wow. Moving each hand in a certain direction makes me superman.
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Not any more than LOE does. Both have the battle of Courscant, have you read LOE? But ROTS makes a direct reference to events that happened in LOE. an the same be said for the Cartoon? I don't think so.
I know so. So does every sane person that watched the Cartoon. RotS makes several direct references to incidents from the Cartoons, dude. Stop using that excuse. Find something else now.
Sorgo, if your really gonna try and say the comics where Han Solo lands on earth are canon then your hopeless.
Too bad Grievous VS Asajj and Durge has nothing to do with Han Solo. And too bad the Databank isn't false considering it's on the official site.
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Originally posted by Blaxican_Jedi
Ive noticed alot of people using the Cw cartoon as a form of evidence. The Cw cartoons are the most non-cannon piceces of **** Lucas has ever sighned as "cannon". it is impossible to use that crappy cartoon to judge ones power because every jedi in that show is a force god. Mace Windu destroys thousands of battle droids with his fists, and a giant walker droid that is like twice the ize of an At-At...woth his fists. And later on Mace and yoda together take out like hundreds of thoussands of droids BY THEMSELVES. the cw cartoon is not cannon, and so should not be treated as such.
Originally posted by PurpleSaber
Too bad both CW cartoons are made by Lucasfilm, and GL talks about them when you look at the special features section. They are obviously canon.
um...did you NOT read the earlier post I made about rants helping me sleep at ight? And i dont care that it IS cannon. I think it shouldn't be. That cartoon is total bull shit.
Well the STORY and basic plot in the CW cartoons are canon. Much of it (like Mace destroying 50 battle droids bare handed) are not canon because they contradict what Mace can do in the movies. Its kinda like how video games are handled. The fact that Revan fought Malak is canon, but the game play itself is not. Just as Mace fought in (whatever battle he destroyed all those super battle droids) is canon, the fact that he did it with his hands is not.
So the CW cartoons are canon in terms of overall events, like who fought in what battle, and who won what saber duel. But the WAY that they won is not canon if it contradicts the movies.
After reading this sick excuse you call a novel(the whole page 9), I'll just readdress some points regardless if some of you have done it or not since it's not worth remembering anything I have read.
1. Just because we didn't see Dooku force grip both Anakin and Obiwan doesn't mean he can't do it. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
2. Whoever it was that was comparing Dooku's lightning and Sidious' lightning is a little "off". It is obvious that Sidious' lightning is a level 3 or whatever the highest level is, while Dooku's was a level 1 or 2, so don't compare the two even though Obiwan blocked Dooku's.
I assume that's it besides all of the other 50 logical fallicies stated on this page alone.