Count Dooku Vs Obi-Wan(ROTS), Grievous, and Kit Fisto

Originally posted by tdtd
After reading this sick excuse you call a novel(the whole page 9), I'll just readdress some points regardless if some of you have done it or not since it's not worth remembering anything I have read.

1. Just because we didn't see Dooku force grip both Anakin and Obiwan doesn't mean he can't do it. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
2. Whoever it was that was comparing Dooku's lightning and Sidious' lightning is a little "off". It is obvious that Sidious' lightning is a level 3 or whatever the highest level is, while Dooku's was a level 1 or 2, so don't compare the two even though Obiwan blocked Dooku's.
I assume that's it besides all of the other 50 logical fallicies stated on this page alone.

Anytime Sidious used Lightning, it was two handed.

Dooku threw Anakin across a hangar with one handed Lightning.

I wonder what he could do if he applied two hands and pushed some power into it.

Faunus I'm illustrating a point that Sidious' lightning was far more powerful than Dooku's, which is why Yoda had absolutely no problem absorbing it and throwing it back at Dooku, while having trouble with Sidious' lightning/

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Well the STORY and basic plot in the CW cartoons are canon. Much of it (like Mace destroying 50 battle droids bare handed) are not canon because they contradict what Mace can do in the movies. Its kinda like how video games are handled. The fact that Revan fought Malak is canon, but the game play itself is not. Just as Mace fought in (whatever battle he destroyed all those super battle droids) is canon, the fact that he did it with his hands is not.

So the CW cartoons are canon in terms of overall events, like who fought in what battle, and who won what saber duel. But the WAY that they won is not canon if it contradicts the movies.

Originally posted by tdtd
Faunus I'm illustrating a point that Sidious' lightning was far more powerful than Dooku's, which is why Yoda had absolutely no problem absorbing it and throwing it back at Dooku, while having trouble with Sidious' lightning/

I'll say it again:

Dooku used a medium powered, one handed shot of Lightning ONCE at Yoda.

Sidious continously tried to get Yoda and got him off guard with it each time he used it. Like when he knocked his Lightsaber away and when Yoda stood in his office.

Medium powered? All of a sudden Dooku can dictate the power of his lightning? Or more realistically his wasn't nearly as powerful as Sidious'? Yoda could have basically taken a nap the way he was blocking Dooku. Sidious' first attempt rendered Yoda unconscious, the second attempt knocked his saber out, and the 3rd attempt it was absorbed and shot back at him with everything Yoda had left.

Originally posted by tdtd
Medium powered? All of a sudden Dooku can dictate the power of his lightning? Or more realistically his wasn't nearly as powerful as Sidious'? Yoda could have basically taken a nap the way he was blocking Dooku. Sidious' first attempt rendered Yoda unconscious, the second attempt knocked his saber out, and the 3rd attempt it was absorbed and shot back at him with everything Yoda had left.

Any Sith can!

We saw Sidious do it. Why not assume his apprentice cannot?

Each attempt was by suprise. The second attempt and the third one you explained are both the same, By the way.

We saw Sidious use medium powered lightning? When? What are you talking about, this isn't a video game where you upgrade your lightning levels. We clearly see the lightning Sidious produces is a lot more effective than Dooku's.

Originally posted by tdtd
We saw Sidious use medium powered lightning? When? What are you talking about, this isn't a video game where you upgrade your lightning levels. We clearly see the lightning Sidious produces is a lot more effective than Dooku's.

If this isn't a Video Game where you upgrade Lightning levels, why did you level them earlier?

Better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

I said we saw Sidious use high powered Lightning.

I'm sure Dooku can pull it off too if he was using two hands and applying more power like Sidious was.

I'm sure you're sure Dooku can pull it off, however we have no evidence. I used the levels to demonstrate a point that Sidious' lightning is on level higher than Dooku's.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
If this isn't a Video Game where you upgrade Lightning levels, why did you level them earlier?

Better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

I said we saw Sidious use high powered Lightning.

I'm sure Dooku can pull it off too if he was using two hands and applying more power like Sidious was.

When Dooku pulled his one hand lightning, Obi-Wan was barley affected. Both his hands would not prove too much of a challenge either from what it looks like.
Sidious on the other hand, almost blew away Mace with it (who is much more well trained than Obi-Wan both force wise and physically) when he was being hurt by it at the same time.

Originally posted by tdtd
I'm sure you're sure Dooku can pull it off, however we have no evidence. I used the levels to demonstrate a point that Sidious' lightning is on level higher than Dooku's.

The levels don't mean shit, just as I and Faunus said.

Sidious' DOES have more powerful Lightning, of course. But Dooku could go higher. He wasn't using two hands and we didn't see him exerting himself like we did with Sidious.

Originally posted by kamikz
When Dooku pulled his one hand lightning, Obi-Wan was barley affected. Both his hands would not prove too much of a challenge either from what it looks like.
Sidious on the other hand, almost blew away Mace with it (who is much more well trained than Obi-Wan both force wise and physically) when he was being hurt by it at the same time.

I'll do this again:

Sidious was using two handed Lightning and he was charging it, like he did with Luke and like he'd do with Mace later on.

Dooku was using one hand and just wanted to fling Kenobi across the room a bit.

So flinging people around requires alot less amount of force power? He fired at Kenobi for a while, and it didn't effect him a bit. So you say he wanted to fling Yoda too? Why didn't he use 2 hands against Yoda?
When Sidious used force lightning at Mace, Mace almost went down even at the beginning.

And I could say the same thing, Sidious wanted to fling Mace out the window. And shoulden't it be harder to perform force lightning if you're face is burning up at the same moment?

^Thank you

Originally posted by kamikz
So flinging people around requires alot less amount of force power? He fired at Kenobi for a while, and it didn't effect him a bit. So you say he wanted to fling Yoda too? Why didn't he use 2 hands against Yoda?
When Sidious used force lightning at Mace, Mace almost went down even at the beginning.

And I could say the same thing, Sidious wanted to fling Mace out the window. And shoulden't it be harder to perform force lightning if you're face is burning up at the same moment?

Sidious was putting everything he had behind his force lightning. Dooku looked almost bored when using it just like "Oh...lets see what that will do *yawn*". Nevertheless he did send Anakin flying through the room and knocked him off with a one-handed lightning blast and it didn't affect Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan already had his lightsaber up as a defence.

Dooku's and Sidious lightning can't be compared because we never see Dooku using it with his entire anger and all his effort put behind it. And it doesn't even matter. Grievous will still be toast when Dooku decides to blast him with lightning (or force crush him, or force choke him or whatever) and Kit Fisto together with Obi-Wan won't do any better than the ROTS Anakin / Obi-Wan team which got pwned by Dooku. So still Dooku wins this.

Shoulden't Dooku have put all effort behind his lightning against Yoda, or else he would just be a dumbass. And Yoda deflected it with great ease. With Sidious he required alot more to deflect it.
Mabey Dooku coulden't use lightning with both hands, mabey it was too much for him to control. And if he could then why didn't he do it against Yoda? And even if he could do it than that would at most doubble the effect would it not? Well then Yoda uses both hands and deflects it with the same ease. Yoda needed to use both hands to deflect Sidious lightning, and he had real troubble with that.

It's possible that sith lightning is powered by anger, as we see Sidious increase his power over it as he was screaming "unlimited power". If that's the case, Dooku obviously has inferior sith lightning as he isn't your typical sith. He fights with class and elegance and you hardly ever see him get angry.

I don't think Dooku was exactly seething when he chucked Anakin across a hangar. . .

Originally posted by Borbarad
Sidious was putting everything he had behind his force lightning. Dooku looked almost bored when using it just like "Oh...lets see what that will do *yawn*". Nevertheless he did send Anakin flying through the room and knocked him off with a one-handed lightning blast and it didn't affect Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan already had his lightsaber up as a defence.

Dooku's and Sidious lightning can't be compared because we never see Dooku using it with his entire anger and all his effort put behind it. And it doesn't even matter. Grievous will still be toast when Dooku decides to blast him with lightning (or force crush him, or force choke him or whatever) and Kit Fisto together with Obi-Wan won't do any better than the ROTS Anakin / Obi-Wan team which got pwned by Dooku. So still Dooku wins this.

Anakin got owned by Dooku huh? Wheres Dooku now? I'd say OB1 got owned, certainly not Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Anakin got owned by Dooku huh? Wheres Dooku now? I'd say OB1 got owned, certainly not Anakin.

Do you have some problem with actual storylines? Did you not see AOTC? What you just said was completely irrelevant..