Here is some telepathic powers and some Telekinetic powers from Silver Surfer.
Telepathy- http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-telepathy-8.html
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Telekinetic powers- http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-telekinesis-7.html
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and just for the record surfer should NOT have been able to easily survive an attack from moondragon any more than he can withstand an attack from warrior madness king thor with the power gem{and the mind gem was even stronger, being second only to the soul gem}
I guess practical immunity to high level telepathic attacks is just another perk of being Galactus' herald. If you don't like it, take it up with him. The Surfer doesn't even have to fight MM. He could transmute his body into lead or anything else he wanted, or he could simply tie MM's life force to a certain area where MM would die if he left (as he did to Lunitik), or he could trap MM within his board (as he did to Quasar).
Surfer is just too versatile. He would win in a straight fight and he could win without throwing a punch.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I guess practical immunity to high level telepathic attacks is just another perk of being Galactus' herald. If you don't like it, take it up with him. The Surfer doesn't even have to fight MM. He could transmute his body into lead or anything else he wanted, or he could simply tie MM's life force to a certain area where MM would die if he left (as he did to Lunitik), or he could trap MM within his board (as he did to Quasar).Surfer is just too versatile. He would win in a straight fight and he could win without throwing a punch.
just a reminder but xavier telepathically destroyed GALACTUS'S mental barriers to telepathy and acccesed his mind via the astral plane, goin head to head with the DEVOURER OF WORLDS. {see most people only mention PART of the picture and conviniently forget the wrest to help their character win} now even you would agree with me that surfer does NOT even have 5% of galactus's normal power/telepathic protection. and since MM is not unbelieveably weaker than xavier, id give him fair odds against trying to penetrate a galactus's HERALD'S mental barriers.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
just a reminder but xavier telepathically destroyed GALACTUS'S mental barriers to telepathy and acccesed his mind via the astral plane, goin head to head with the DEVOURER OF WORLDS. {see most people only mention PART of the picture and conviniently forget the wrest to help their character win} now even you would agree with me that surfer does NOT even have 5% of galactus's normal power/telepathic protection. and since MM is not unbelieveably weaker than xavier, id give him fair odds against trying to penetrate a galactus's HERALD'S mental barriers.
IIRC wasn't that on the astral plane and wasn't Xavier getting help from someone (was it Magneto?). I think there are more details to that fight than you are mentioning. And it would also depend on how hungry Galactus was. Does anyone know the full details of the fight?
And in my mind it would make perfect sense for Galactus to make the Surfer immune to telepathic attacks given the number of races or beings in the Marvel universe who are telepathic. He wouldn't want anyone possible re-programmnig his herald. And the fact remains that SS took a blast from Moondragon with the mind gem, so I doubt Manhunter's telepathy is going to win him this fight. In the same issue where she put Xavier in a coma with the same attack ( Infinity Crusade #03)
yes he was getting help from magneto but magneto is only a MINOR telepath. it was mostly xavier. and how can galactus give surfer immunity when he HIMSELF cant have IMMUNITY, just a high level of resistance{and the extent of which we have seen} i say any1 at exodus/MM telepathic level can break surfer's mental barriers with lill difficulty.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and as i have explained before, surfer taking a psi bolt from moondragon with mind gem without harm is BULLSHIT.
Obviously Galactus does have some resistance to telepathy or why else would Xavier have to go to the Astral Plane in order to get to him? 😕 And if he couldn't do it without Magneto, I say that makes Magneto more than just of minor importance.
And why is SS taking the psi bolt from Moondragon that unbelievable? It isn't like it is contradicting any past events only defining the level of Surfer's telepathic resistance. Why else have the bolt take out Xavier unless you wanted to demonstrate the resistance of the Surfer when the same attack didn't get knocked down?
And back to the fight at hand, there is still nothing MM can do to Surfer. He is outclassed in strength, speed, and energy/matter manipulation, and his telepathy isn't going to help. Surfer could kill him at will.
1. he ISNT outclassed in strength
2. martian vision WILL hurt surfer{not as much as heat vision but still}
3. manhunter CAN resist matter manipulation because his control over his own molecules is greater than norrin's control over foriegn molecules
4. intangibility WILL give him practical immunity from force blasts and speed blitzing
5. manhunter IS almost as fast as superman and wonderwoman and has just as fast reflexes which means he CAN harm surfer without surfer being always able to outrun him or react too quickly to his moves
6. his telepathy CAN most definately do major harm to surfer
7.manhunter's is also EXTREMELY durable able to take punishment from omega affect etc in the past which means that surfer wont be easily anle to KO him , not even close
the only real advantage surfer has is off the ABSTRACT power cosmic which he can use to probably pull a prank like creating a black hole out of his ass which manhunter cant resist against. and this is exactly how surfer has won in the past speed blitz/ abstract power cosmic which gives writers the possibility of making him do ANYTHING to beat the hardest and most resistant of foes. so there surfer wins, but not easily.
Intangibility won't save MM. Superman can hit a phased being....Why shouldn't the Surfer be able to??
MM isn't as fast, nor almost. MM at best i believe is speed of sound. Superman is in multiples of light!
MM telepathy won't bother Surfer. He has a natural resistance to it. If he resisted the mind gem, what will MM do??
And you can call bs all day, but that won't help your case. I can call bs on Superman suddenly punching through time(WTF?!), or Surfer ever losing against another hero, or WonderWoman hitting Zoom while blind. Heck, i can call it on a precrisis character being shown as roughly equal to a post crisis character.... Kal-L vs Kal El.
Doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. he ISNT outclassed in strength
2. martian vision WILL hurt surfer{not as much as heat vision but still}
3. manhunter CAN resist matter manipulation because his control over his own molecules is greater than norrin's control over foriegn molecules
4. intangibility WILL give him practical immunity from force blasts and speed blitzing
5. manhunter IS almost as fast as superman and wonderwoman and has just as fast reflexes which means he CAN harm surfer without surfer being always able to outrun him or react too quickly to his moves
6. his telepathy CAN most definately do major harm to surfer
7.manhunter's is also EXTREMELY durable able to take punishment from omega affect etc in the past which means that surfer wont be easily anle to KO him , not even close
1. PC allows Surfer to increase his strength past his base level.
Knocks back Orion
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus33.jpg
Able to make Krosakis, an energy vampire that absorbed the power of Gladiator (Superman knock-off) and Uni-Power (Captain Universe), bleed
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-15.jpg
2. He can fly through a sun. Martian Vision isn't going to hurt him.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p05.jpg
3. How will he still have "mental" control over his body when his mind gets transmuted at the same time 😕 PC allows him to transmute matter into anything he wants (which if done to MM would kill him instantly.
rock to air
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_09.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_10.jpg
Napkin dispenser to gold because he thought it was funny
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_16.jpg
4. Surfer can phase through matter as well.
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-intangibility-5.html
5. Orion, Champion, and Krosakis (with Gladiator's and Cap. Universe's powers) couldn't put him down. Neither could MM.
6. Once again Moondragon with Mind gem couldn't, unless you can offer proof that MM is more powerful than her, then MM's telepathy isn't going to put him down ❌
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg
7. When did MM take the Omega Beams (and can't the effects of them vary depending on what Darksied wants them to do?). Besides Surfer is tougher (see the sun pic) and has ko'ed an Elder of the Universe (Champion) before.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_15.jpg
Hardly feels She-Hulk's punch
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpg
And again Surfer doesn't even have to thow a punch to win:
Imprisions Genis in his board
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
traps Lunatik to a planet, if he leaves he dies
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP175-p15.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
1. PC allows Surfer to increase his strength past his base level.Knocks back Orion
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus33.jpgAble to make Krosakis, an energy vampire that absorbed the power of Gladiator (Superman knock-off) and Uni-Power (Captain Universe), bleed
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-15.jpg2. He can fly through a sun. Martian Vision isn't going to hurt him.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p05.jpg3. How will he still have "mental" control over his body when his mind gets transmuted at the same time 😕 PC allows him to transmute matter into anything he wants (which if done to MM would kill him instantly.
rock to air
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_09.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_10.jpgNapkin dispenser to gold because he thought it was funny
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_16.jpg4. Surfer can phase through matter as well.
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-intangibility-5.html5. Orion, Champion, and Krosakis (with Gladiator's and Cap. Universe's powers) couldn't put him down. Neither could MM.
6. Once again Moondragon with Mind gem couldn't, unless you can offer proof that MM is more powerful than her, then MM's telepathy isn't going to put him down ❌
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg7. When did MM take the Omega Beams (and can't the effects of them vary depending on what Darksied wants them to do?). Besides Surfer is tougher (see the sun pic) and has ko'ed an Elder of the Universe (Champion) before.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_15.jpgHardly feels She-Hulk's punch
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpgAnd again Surfer doesn't even have to thow a punch to win:
Imprisions Genis in his board
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
traps Lunatik to a planet, if he leaves he dies
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP175-p15.jpg
great post 👆
Originally posted by TheKahnA:The Hunger crossover feats don't count at all.
1. PC allows Surfer to increase his strength past his base level.Knocks back Orion
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus33.jpgAble to make Krosakis, an energy vampire that absorbed the power of Gladiator (Superman knock-off) and Uni-Power (Captain Universe), bleed
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-15.jpg2. He can fly through a sun. Martian Vision isn't going to hurt him.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p05.jpg3. How will he still have "mental" control over his body when his mind gets transmuted at the same time 😕 PC allows him to transmute matter into anything he wants (which if done to MM would kill him instantly.
rock to air
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_09.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_10.jpgNapkin dispenser to gold because he thought it was funny
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_16.jpg4. Surfer can phase through matter as well.
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-intangibility-5.html5. Orion, Champion, and Krosakis (with Gladiator's and Cap. Universe's powers) couldn't put him down. Neither could MM.
6. Once again Moondragon with Mind gem couldn't, unless you can offer proof that MM is more powerful than her, then MM's telepathy isn't going to put him down ❌
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg7. When did MM take the Omega Beams (and can't the effects of them vary depending on what Darksied wants them to do?). Besides Surfer is tougher (see the sun pic) and has ko'ed an Elder of the Universe (Champion) before.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_15.jpgHardly feels She-Hulk's punch
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpgAnd again Surfer doesn't even have to thow a punch to win:
Imprisions Genis in his board
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
traps Lunatik to a planet, if he leaves he dies
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP175-p15.jpg
I already said I think SS would win more encounters than not, but MM will give him problems, and he's going to use a little more creativity than people are coming up with.
Originally posted by tdawg14
I don't have any scans but there is a comic that the Surfer tells Gladiator how easily he can take him cause he knew his weakness to radiation. It's in the Surfer respect thread.
One of the stupidest, least thought out character trait ever given.
The stinkin guy flies around in outer space!
Space is FILLED with radiation!
He wouldn't even be able to fly to the moon without dying.
these writers are idiots!
