Silver Surfer vs. Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Juntai
A:The Hunter crossover feats don't count at all.
B:Everyone beats Champion, regardless of how powerful he SHOULD be.
C:In Paradise Lost, I believe it was, Martian Manhunter's body even reconfigured itself from death. So your molocule rearangement still doesn't work. Needless to say, I still don't think it works on someone with control of their own being, unless you've got scans to back it.
D: OK, he took a She hulk punch, but we've also seen sufficient physical force knock him out.

A) Yeah I know, but I just couldn't resist 😖hifty:

B) I tend to think that is because he is such an auxiliary character. What other purpose would he serve if not to allow Marvel to showcase their more popular characters against? I mean nobody is demanding a Champion monthly. Still, he is an Elder and beating him should count for something, imo.

C) Well, as a pacifist, Surfer really doesn't use his matter manipulation on living beings as it would instantly kill them. 🙁 However I think it would work against Manhunter.

This is the best site I've found to explain just what MM's powers are and how they work (if its wrong I'd have to reconsider, but for now...)
http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/mmanhunter/manhunter.html

He doesn't really alter the matter in his body (ie he can't transmute the elements that make up his body into different elements as Surfer could). Instead he controls the molecular structure of his body's bio-polymer to make it resemble anything he wants. The polymers remain the same, they just change their shape, color, and density. I think a good analogy would be how a chameleon can alter the color of its body. It really isn't matter manipulation just a physiological ability.

If you turn his arm to gold, he wouldn't be able to turn it back as it would no longer be made of his bio-polymers but inorganic gold.

D) Yes, he could get knocked out by physical force but I would think, given the examples we have, it would take more than MM could produce.

Originally posted by Horrificus
One of the stupidest, least thought out character trait ever given.
The stinkin guy flies around in outer space!
Space is FILLED with radiation!
He wouldn't even be able to fly to the moon without dying.
these writers are idiots!

Originally posted by Horrificus
One of the stupidest, least thought out character trait ever given.
The stinkin guy flies around in outer space!
Space is FILLED with radiation!
He wouldn't even be able to fly to the moon without dying.
these writers are idiots!

It's a certain type of radiation, not particularly UV rays or anything.

Overview: The Martian Manhunter is possibly the most powerful extra-terrestrial living on the Earth today with the exceptions of Superman and "Orion" of New Genesis. His array of powers and abilities equals and in some cases exceeds even the Man from Krypton's powers. His physical powers are not quite the equal of Superman's but he makes up with mental abilities, invisibility, and shapeshifing abilities, making him a much more capable operative in covert operations.
Physical Powers

Super Strength: The Martian's superhuman strength comes from his plasmorphic structure formed from immensely long and complex molecular chains, augmented with his psionic and telekinetic abilities allowing him to lift incredible weights without these weights crumbling under the stress. The Martian has been seen lifting small tankers out of the ocean for short distances. By modifing the density of these bio-polymers, the Manhunter can make himself stronger by forcing the polymers into tighter bundles. At a rest state, the Manhunter can lift approximately 20 tons. Given a few minutes to reconfigure, he could match Superman pound for pound for about a minute. Then the bio-polymer would begin to suffer under the strain and begin to unravel.

1) The Silver Surfer beat Orion with little effort.
2) The Silver Surfers base strength is well over class 100 Jonn's base strength is class 20, even though he can bring it up to near Superman Levels he burns out really fast returning to his base strength... I don't see how he could win, plus no one knows whether Jonn can beat Xavier on the Psychic Plane they are just guessing... I know that the Infinity gem of the mind is way out of Jonns league unless Jonns telepathic power are Godlike (which has never been shown) I mean the Infinity Gems are just way bigger than these little guys.
considering the stats of both contenders, The Surfer appears to be superior in every physical aspect. I just don't know how if Jonn can push a moon if he can only lift 20 tonnes.
Silver Surfer 10/10 IMO.

Oh and the Surfer can increase his Strength as well but doesn't burn out.

Galactus did good with the Surfer. Too bad Dr. Doom realized the same thing. After reading the entire thread, I say Surfer 9/10. I'm giving the MM one just cause I like him.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Overview: The Martian Manhunter is possibly the most powerful extra-terrestrial living on the Earth today with the exceptions of Superman and "Orion" of New Genesis. His array of powers and abilities equals and in some cases exceeds even the Man from Krypton's powers. His physical powers are not quite the equal of Superman's but he makes up with mental abilities, invisibility, and shapeshifing abilities, making him a much more capable operative in covert operations.
Physical Powers

Super Strength: The Martian's superhuman strength comes from his plasmorphic structure formed from immensely long and complex molecular chains, augmented with his psionic and telekinetic abilities allowing him to lift incredible weights without these weights crumbling under the stress. The Martian has been seen lifting small tankers out of the ocean for short distances. By modifing the density of these bio-polymers, the Manhunter can make himself stronger by forcing the polymers into tighter bundles. At a rest state, the Manhunter can lift approximately 20 tons. Given a few minutes to reconfigure, he could match Superman pound for pound for about a minute. Then the bio-polymer would begin to suffer under the strain and begin to unravel.

1) The Silver Surfer beat Orion with little effort.
2) The Silver Surfers base strength is well over class 100 Jonn's base strength is class 20, even though he can bring it up to near Superman Levels he burns out really fast returning to his base strength... I don't see how he could win, plus no one knows whether Jonn can beat Xavier on the Psychic Plane they are just guessing... I know that the Infinity gem of the mind is way out of Jonns league unless Jonns telepathic power are Godlike (which has never been shown) I mean the Infinity Gems are just way bigger than these little guys.
considering the stats of both contenders, The Surfer appears to be superior in every physical aspect. I just don't know how if Jonn can push a moon if he can only lift 20 tonnes.
Silver Surfer 10/10 IMO.

Originally posted by Juntai
And Surfer beating Orion in a crossover doesn't mean anything on the forum. I said that already.

How does MM intend to harm Surfer? He might try and steal his board to gain some leverage.

Originally posted by Hit and Run
And Superman beating Thor does? 🙂

only when they need it for a debate 😉 .

The Hunger isn't canon, JLA/Avengers continued into and affected continuity, making it valid. So no it's not only when needed. 😉

Originally posted by Juntai
The Hunger isn't canon, JLA/Avengers continued into and affected continuity, making it valid. So no it's not only when needed. 😉

Originally posted by Hit and Run
It's still a crossover. Being canon doesn't make it that much different from the Hunger.

It's funny how Superman can nearly die from a couple enchanted Diablo bullets, but stand up from Mjolnir thrown at full force in the next panel.

Crossovers are bullshit to appease fans.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
just a reminder but xavier telepathically destroyed GALACTUS'S mental barriers to telepathy and acccesed his mind via the astral plane, goin head to head with the DEVOURER OF WORLDS. {see most people only mention PART

I didn't know that. Than Xavier should have the powers to defaet SS. With that, MM also and God-Like Cable should have crushed SS in their battle, but he was holding back too much.
Anyway, SS should win this.

The Orion and Surfer fight was not canon and holds no weight on these forums.Now the Superman and Thor fight as much as you Marvel kids don't wanna believe it it is canon.
Now to the fight Surfer still wins with ease........

I'm not disputing the canonicity of it, but obviously his tolerance to magical objects fluctuate stupidly.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
The Orion and Surfer fight was not canon and holds no weight on these forums.Now the Superman and Thor fight as much as you Marvel kids don't wanna believe it it is canon.
Now to the fight Surfer still wins with ease........

Now, tell me, how could Superman Vs. Thor be a canon.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Now, tell me, how could Superman Vs. Thor be a canon.

It also helps that the writer of JLA/Avengers was writing both JLA and Avengers titles.
lol.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
I'm not disputing the canonicity of it, but obviously his tolerance to magical objects fluctuate stupidly.