Originally posted by samishe
This case Colossus shouldn't be allowed to transform into his steel form. Its also against box rules. 😄
which boxing rules are you reading?
i dont think mutant powers have ever come up in a professional or amateur league
even if thats the case, it means its eddie or mac or whoever in a boxing match against peter, who obliderates them in the first round
no steel form, no symbiote
Originally posted by samishe
You know, may be in comix sometimes happen things that people don't expect to happen, but there is still some logic there.
You need some either.
believe me, ppl who read this know who has logic and who doesn't..but tht doesn't matter cuz venom would never win in a boxing match vs hulk, juggernaut, thing, colossus any one of them. short of there being a pool of PIS brand toxic waste next to the ring and galactus in his corner.
i applaud u though..u showed more resiliency than any hero in a comic book has ever shown...even for sumthin futile
Originally posted by bench261
believe me, ppl who read this know who has logic and who doesn't..but tht doesn't matter cuz venom would never win in a boxing match vs hulk, juggernaut, thing, colossus any one of them. short of there being a pool of PIS brand toxic waste next to the ring and galactus in his corner.i applaud u though..u showed more resiliency than any hero in a comic book has ever shown...even for sumthin futile
You know, if you read my posts you'll notice that i never saids that Venom wins this, all i argue about is that i hate when people say that Colossus would ko him with a couple of punches. It's never been showed how exactly durable Venom is.
It been showed that he can take many hits from much stronger opponents. Spider-man said many times that sonic and fire are the only things that could really take symbiots out.
I'm sticking to this.
And don't dispute my logic cos everything i said here i could prove. Can't say the same about you.
Originally posted by samishe
You know, if you read my posts you'll notice that i never saids that Venom wins this, all i argue about is that i hate when people say that Colossus would ko him with a couple of punches. It's never been showed how exactly durable Venom is.
It been showed that he can take many hits from much stronger opponents. Spider-man said many times that sonic and fire are the only things that could really take symbiots out.
I'm sticking to this.And don't dispute my logic cos everything i said here i could prove. Can't say the same about you.
when u cant run and recover, he's gunna get ko'd. 12 rounds of no running trading blows will get u ko'd against heavy hitters. 4-5 blows wont be enough but if hes trading blows with heavy hitters blow after blow, with no means of escape he will get KO'd. the only way venom can win the match is to BOX meaning he'll have to place his fist on colossus several times. ur telling me he's only gunna get hit 4-5 times when he cant run and take cover on buildings??
superior strength, stamina, and durability and taking away venoms advantages he has on normal terrain?? i guess that doesnt sound like logic to u.
if venom cant beat colossus, whats the most he's gunna get? a draw? cuz trading blows with colossus will get u ko'd or atleast knocked down. in boxing, the agressor wins if its a toss up. i really doubt colossus would back up at all
Originally posted by bench261
when u cant run and recover, he's gunna get ko'd. 12 rounds of no running trading blows will get u ko'd against heavy hitters. 4-5 blows wont be enough but if hes trading blows with heavy hitters blow after blow, with no means of escape he will get KO'd. the only way venom can win the match is to BOX meaning he'll have to place his fist on colossus several times. ur telling me he's only gunna get hit 4-5 times when he cant run and take cover on buildings??superior strength, stamina, and durability and taking away venoms advantages he has on normal terrain?? i guess that doesnt sound like logic to u.
if venom cant beat colossus, whats the most he's gunna get? a draw? cuz trading blows with colossus will get u ko'd or atleast knocked down. in boxing, the agressor wins if its a toss up. i really doubt colossus would back up at all
Ok, you was telling me about realism. So Venom reflexes are close to Sder-man's , it's 40 times better than of average human. Speed also almost like Spider-man's.
Realisticly he's supposed to easilly dodge everything Colossus strikes at him. Even in small ring he is supposed to play with colossus. For him Peter moves in a slow mo.
this one probably goes to Collosus but I wouldn't neither be surprised if the V-man won. I know Venom has been FLOORED by Juggsie and Venom was still making fun of him but Collosus is smarter than Juggs and If Venom keeps making fun of Collosus the rage just grows more and more and we know what happens then...
Originally posted by samishe
Ok, you was telling me about realism. So Venom reflexes are close to Sder-man's , it's 40 times better than of average human. Speed also almost like Spider-man's.
Realisticly he's supposed to easilly dodge everything Colossus strikes at him. Even in small ring he is supposed to play with colossus. For him Peter moves in a slow mo.
the thing is, he cant "dodge" in the way that you are describing
jumping over colossus and rolling and whatever are not really allowed in a boxing ring, and colossus is a VERY good fighter, whose style is very similar to boxing in the first place
Venom would almost have to learn how to box before he could step in the ring, as his typical fighting style is nowhere close to it (The same could be said for spiderman)
Originally posted by samishe
Ok, you was telling me about realism. So Venom reflexes are close to Sder-man's , it's 40 times better than of average human. Speed also almost like Spider-man's.
Realisticly he's supposed to easilly dodge everything Colossus strikes at him. Even in small ring he is supposed to play with colossus. For him Peter moves in a slow mo.
so for 12 rounds ur tellin me colossus will only hit him less than 4-5 times?? the fact that venom has to touch colossus to hit him means he is opening himself up for a punch tht can easily send him flying if not stun him for another punch. if venom decides to play tag in the ring he will lose becuz he is not fighting...if he decides to lay hands on peter he will open himself up for a punch. hulk has caught spiderman who is faster than venom. colossus is a lilttle quicker than hulk. plus if u see ur opponent dodging u, u will adapt, u wont keep falling for the same trick, u will come up of a way trap ur opponent. he wont be dodging peter for a str8 12 rounds...somewhere along the way he will get hit with massive punches.
besides hoping for a draw how is venom going to win? hhe'd be lucky to last 12 rounds. peter is not stupid, and he's not that slow. quickness and spider speed helps when ur in an open environment and cant take advantage of ur surrounding. in the ring u can get cornered and venom isn't a slick small target like spidy is
on top of that this isnt an open environment where peter would have to keep thinking what venom is gunna do next. theres only 2 things venom can do and peter is expecting
1: punch
2: dodge
if peter is expecting this and its obvious he will cuz its a friggin BOXING match. venom will get tagged because there is no element of surprise
Originally posted by inamilist
the thing is, he cant "dodge" in the way that you are describingjumping over colossus and rolling and whatever are not really allowed in a boxing ring, and colossus is a VERY good fighter, whose style is very similar to boxing in the first place
Venom would almost have to learn how to box before he could step in the ring, as his typical fighting style is nowhere close to it (The same could be said for spiderman)
Your right, Venom is not much of a boxer, his style is more like "I'll rip your head off!". But remember how spidey was dodging Flash punches in the movie? This is allowed in box, so Venom could do smthing like that.
Originally posted by bench261
so for 12 rounds ur tellin me colossus will only hit him less than 4-5 times?? the fact that venom has to touch colossus to hit him means he is opening himself up for a punch tht can easily send him flying if not stun him for another punch. if venom decides to play tag in the ring he will lose becuz he is not fighting...if he decides to lay hands on peter he will open himself up for a punch. hulk has caught spiderman who is faster than venom. colossus is a lilttle quicker than hulk. plus if u see ur opponent dodging u, u will adapt, u wont keep falling for the same trick, u will come up of a way trap ur opponent. he wont be dodging peter for a str8 12 rounds...somewhere along the way he will get hit with massive punches.besides hoping for a draw how is venom going to win? hhe'd be lucky to last 12 rounds. peter is not stupid, and he's not that slow. quickness and spider speed helps when ur in an open environment and cant take advantage of ur surrounding. in the ring u can get cornered and venom isn't a slick small target like spidy is
See, you don't see big difference of how this fight would happen in comic and how in real life.
In comix such character as Flash with his light speed reflexes could be hit by someone slow like batman. In comix such character as Venom can defeat Juggernaut and Colossus. In comix strength and durability are not always the most importand thing.
In real life it's a different thing. Spider-man with his reflexes isn't supposed to be hit by anyone EVER. (in comics he gets hit often because otherwise it wouldn't be interesting). In real life Flash is supposed to be able first to go take a nap and only then come back and dodge that Bats punch.
In real life someone like Venom could stay at the ring with colossus 12 rounds and not getting hit once.
My point is that if it were a comix fight almost anything could happen.
If it's a real life fight than Venom's reflexes are good enough to stay of Peter's range.
Originally posted by samishe
See, you don't see big difference of how this fight would happen in comic and how in real life.
In comix such character as Flash with his light speed reflexes could be hit by someone slow like batman. In comix such character as Venom can defeat Juggernaut and Colossus. In comix strength and durability are not always the most importand thing.
In real life it's a different thing. Spider-man with his reflexes isn't supposed to be hit by anyone EVER. (in comics he gets hit often because otherwise it wouldn't be interesting). In real life Flash is supposed to be able first to go take a nap and only then come back and dodge that Bats punch.
In real life someone like Venom could stay at the ring with colossus 12 rounds and not getting hit once.
My point is that if it were a comix fight almost anything could happen.
If it's a real life fight than Venom's reflexes are good enough to stay of Peter's range.
and in real life sumone like colossus can rip venoms head off with an uppercut. and in the comics it seems ur hoping for some creative writing to take place becuz without it there is no way venom can win. comics or real life venom loses. if this is a str8 up boxing match he loses. unless its part of a plot where the boxing match is involved, but boring str8 boxing nuthin else...venom cannot win.
ur only and weak argument is...this is the comics and anything can happen.....as in what? no toxic waste, no galactus...they are only left with punching and weaving...venom will eventually lose
Originally posted by bench261
wow, putting pics up favorable to venom, who got beat again? cuz i coulda swore it said ben woneither way u can stop strayin away from the subject.. venom loses TKO/KO, or thrown towel from peter parker who can't watch the beating anymore
"it said"?
wtf? did you get that from a comic guide? No wonder you think spiderman beat him in "one punch"... unfortunately in the real world free from spiderman bias venom was kicking the living crap out of Ben and he was doing it rather easily.... In fact he started to kill ben by choking him with his own hoody by the end of the fight and the only reason spiderman won was because he got EXTREMELY (no joke, ben even admits to this in their rematch) lucky and venom didn't know about how effective his impact webbing was... but venom definitely dominated that fight...
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the rematch was no different.
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as for the upgrades... sam is talking about when THIS happened:
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Originally posted by bench261
you do know colossus is MUCH stronger than venom right LOL
not much stronger... maybe about a 30 to 50 ton gap between the two but that isn't really a problem.. you DO know how much faster, more agile, and craftier venom is than colossus right?
pffft...
shit, venom could just go into stealth mode and then what? peter's swinging at air cause he can't see who he's fighting...
Originally posted by bench261
the fact that he is not juggernaut..venom has no upgrade
Originally posted by newjak86
If I remeber correctly the comic states pretty much that Venom basically would have died if it wasn't for that stuff that gave him the quick upgrade in power which is the only reason he was even able to hang with Juggs the second time.
Yeah Juggs pretty much beat him to a pulp say what you will if Venom almost died he almost died 😈
Venom was completely distracted for half of that fight. He wasn't even giving juggs his attention and basically opened himself up for plenty of successive free hits... free hits that are not given to peter in this match because he won't be distracted... your example's a moot point. And if you paid attention, in the third comic the mercury virus was almost dead and venom still made juggy run from a fight after giving him some abuse. He wasn't upgraded and he still won hmmmm..... so no his upgrades aren't "the only reason" he is able to hang with extremely powerful fighters as you would have us believe.
Originally posted by newjak86
Venom can only hang with some 100 tonners becuase he can use his speed and strength to throw around them.
He can lift 25 tons right
wrong... as usual... venom is closer to 40 to 50 tons in lifting strength now, and he's always boasted a durability level on par with most class 100 characters... He's dangerous to stronger people because of the ways he can use his symbiote (he can use it to seep into skin tissue, through pours, make his webbing to suffocate, instill nightmares with it's psychological powers etc etc etc...)
Originally posted by samishe
Peter vs Eddie? Hmmmmmmm... 😎
Originally posted by inamilist
the thing is, he cant "dodge" in the way that you are describingjumping over colossus and rolling and whatever are not really allowed in a boxing ring,
not that I don't believe you, but could you find some official boxing rules that prohibit the use of excessive jumping and flipping etc etc..?
