slade has taken out guys beyond venoms level so please dont use that argument, and since when has he tracked speedsters and please name a few, and spiderman dont count, and even then does he have a defense against his super weapons like the super grenades or slades staff that produces symbiot harming heat.
Speedsters? He's fought against Quicksilver before, but I don't have the comic with me. However, if Spider-Man has caught speedsters before, Venom is right there with him. Anyone who knows Marvel can figure that one out with ease. Also, what makes you think that Slade can hit Venom with any of those weapons if Venom is quick enough to dodge just about anything?
Ummm, peel his head off. Eat his brains. Cut him into ribbons. Tear him in half. Put the symbiote into his body and have it expand to the point where he bursts, and so forth. Venom knows many ways to kill a man with his symbiote. Just because he's immortal per say doesn't mean he can't be killed. It's kind of like a Highlander premise from what I've seen. He'll never die by conventional means, but if he's thrown into the sun, or shredded to bits, then he's dead.
why do you always go into pure bronze if everyone who had superior bronze won a battle then hulk would be the strongest being in the marvel universe, i mean as bannerless hulk he is stronger then surfer but that didnt do anything to surfer cause he has other powers that negate being harmed by force, doomsday is another character who brute force normally never works against, lobo, magic wielders, with you its always he pops his head he does this with his big strong arms thats not how it works if thats how it worked then flash wouldnt be as strong as he is he doesnt have super strengh you know. how does venom catch him pray tell and even if he does you think he's just gonna let him do anything he wants to him? He will throw a meta grenade at him and ko him or hit him with the staff, just cause he's as fast doesnt mean anything it still goes in advantage of slade cause he has weapons to deal with venom if venom is so powerful why does he lose to spiderman with help.
Because Spider-Man has never been able to beat him with his fists. Venom's also taken some extremely nasty hits. Also, after the Venom limited series, he has much more durability when it comes to fire and sonics, meaning it's hard to knock the symbiote off his back. I have proof of Spider-Man saying that he cannot defeat Venom by himself.
Also, Venom has fought opponents that are quicker than him all the time. The prime examples are Carnage and Scream. They are much quicker than Venom, yet he usually beats them considerably every time that they meet. You're also forgetting that Venom also has a knowledge of Slade in this fight. If Slade tries to throw a grenade, it may end up getting webbed to his hand, and Hulk had a hard time breaking through Venom's webs. Also, Venom could take Slade's staff or sword from him in battle. What then?
^ Actually, you have no proof that he has actual precognition. His DAUGHTER has it, but Slade does not. I have never underestimated Slade. However, I have seen that he is a huge jobber, and on these forums, some of his victories are not rewarded to him because of PIS. One huge example is obviously the Identity Crisis fight, but I'm going to go through the Slade respect thread, and look at his accomplishments.
The Kneecaping - Caught his opponent off guard with a tranquilizer.
Catching Kid Flash - Inconsistent with the fact that Batman and Nightwing can tag him. Also, he moved with the momentum of the blow, which is basic strategy when facing a quicker opponent.
Anti-Tank Gun healing - Not impressed. Those rounds wouldn't even phase Venom.
The fact he can see things slower - It's the inspiration for Max Payne's bullet time. That is what gives him an advantage, but 90% brain capacity doesn't do that for you. I'm a science nerd, and I know these things. However, years of combat training will tell you what to do and when, which is how he can gain the upper hand.
Taking out four people before they can react - Punisher has done the same thing. Not impressed.
Hitting Flash with the staff blast, then tripping him up- Flash had his back to Slade, which was a cheap shot. When Slade tripped him, Slade made sure there was 1 was for Flash to go, and that was where he was. That's not precognition. That's stacking the odds in your favor. Totally different.
Snuffing Wonder Woman - Captain America has done the same thing to people the calibur of Wonder Woman, so it's expected considering the two are on the same level.
Blowing up a helicopter - That's low power. Good for him. Venom has been hit with full blasts of Iron Man's repulsor rays, which make Slade's staff look like dirt.
Slade evading Superman with his agility - To be honest, Venom could pull off those moves with his eyes closed.
The Identity Crisis fight - Complete PIS! Plot Induced Stupidity! A Green Lantern with a Green Lantern Ring should have ripped Slade into pieces twenty times over! His first instinct wouldn't be to punch!
The Nightwing Fight - This is more his capacity. However, if Slade has TRUE precognition, he would NOT be hit by Nightwing!
The rest of that thread is basically repetition.
Okay, what do you have now? The promethium (not proven) sword? Venom has stopped Adamantium before, and the symbiote's regenerative powers are just as good. Also, the symbiote can react out of reflex, and catch Slade's hand while he's swinging it at him. A gun? Venom quite literally laughs at guns. He's been pounded with shotgun, machine gun, and pistol fire all at once. Meta Grenades? Two problems with that theory: They made be made for DC heroes, but not for symbiotes, and Venom isn't gonna stand there with a grenade in front of him. He's gonna toss it right back. Venom once worked for the U.S. government! He knows weaponry! Slade has nothing to use that Venom cannot counter. So, what's your argument now?
didnt i tell you i never read identity crisis? I know that was PIS im not stupid you know and she took the same drug he did so id hope she has the same powers and umm yeah he can win he's done it before give me a break what is it with you and these underdogs you always go with. Slade has the super speed, the weapons the strenght to finish this guy off and he does have the tech to do it.
This guy had the tech to do it. Failed.
This guy had tech that would embarass Slade. He's called Mace. He couldn't do it either until he used stealth camoflague, which Slade doesn' have.
This is what happens when Venom is stabbed and cut by adamantium. Given, this was a clone with a different host, but it's the same biological makeup and abilities.
This is Spider-Man, who is supposedly stronger than Venom, saying that he can't beat Venom without help. Spider-Man could mop the floor with Slade, considering Slade is a ripoff of him and Punisher.
This is Venom taking a hit from a power staff that is extremely similar to Slade's, but arguably more powerful. It doesn't kill Venom.
The hunters were already amazing mercenaries, then gained abilites and technology that would make Slade cry. Look what Venom does.
Don't even THINK about telling me that Venom isn't gonna use those grenades against Slade. He knows grenades all right.
Bullets? Bah!
Slade is quick enough to hit Venom? Unless he can literally move as faster than a bullet, it still wouldn't be enough. Venom did this with relative ease.
You think one grenade can knock the symbiote off his back? It takes something like dynamite, which is much more powerful than a gredade, and multiple explosions of that to get the symbiote off him.
So, I've covered everything. Slade can use most of his brain? Venom has two brains to work with. Slade has great reflexes? Venom's are quicker. He's got a supposed promethium sword? Venom laughs at adamantium. The staff? A joke. A grenade? Bah. Venom can't take Slade's arsenal and use it against him? I just proved he could. You doubt the abilities of Venom? Look it up! http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t390942.html
Bickety BAM motha f*cka. You have NO proof that Slade can win this fight, and I'm playing with a full deck. You think Slade can win? PROVE IT! Give me scans that put him higher than Venom that aren't jobbing or PIS, because right now, I own you.
Originally posted by doctorstrongbad
Venom would win this battle. he is stronger, faster and more endurance then Spider-man plus he is not afraid to cheat is battles. The symbiote lets him ignore pain, shoot a webbing like substance, camouflage himself and he has spider-sense. I think you guys are seriously underestimating Venom.
faster maybe, but not quicker. stronger in brute strength, but slades weaponry packs more punch than venom's fists, and ignore pain??? fire and sonics make him fall to his knees screaming in pain. he is able to ignore if to an extent if he is fighting carnage or spiderman, but that is because of his extreme hatred, not because he can simply ignore the pain.
Venom is the superior contender in this fight, Deathstroke some pretty cool gadgets and propsbut unless he uses sonics on him Venom will corner him web him up in a corner and most likely eat his brains, let's not forget Venom could leap over Slade one second and before Slade could even turn around Eddie could become invisible... scary stuff for Slade I'd imagine, the next moment Slade would be out cold not knowing which direction Venom is coming from, but again Slade has some cool gadgets, the only way I see Slade winning is through, cheapness not hand to hand, brawling to the finish, because his punches and kicks would not effect Eddie who has been seen to take many punches from Spiderman that knocked Firelord out, and just grab Spiderman and crush him.
Venom wins unless he becomes a victim of the cheapness.
The Cheapness is a being that often shows up out of no where, it has been known to take posession of guys like Frank Castle making it possible for him to defeat beings on a cosmic level. We never know when The Cheapness appears, it just shows up from time to time and seemingly disappears often leaving the recipient wondering how he/she accomplished the victory, unlike other abstract beings The Cheapness, has no boundaries and is said to exist in all places.
Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ Observe above posts.
you arent considering slade's full arsenal. by "grenade", i dont mean those that are typically used by US military. I'm talking about his grenades powerful enough to take down (not kill, but take down) superboy, or his sonic grenades which can burst the eardrums of even a normal human. sonics that powerful will send the symbiote into recession (which can be seen in Venom: Lethal Protector) leaving eddie completely exposed and vulnerable to anything a normal human would be. Only unlike Venom's foes in that scenerio, Deathstroke won't stand around waiting for the symbiote to heal, he would kill brock, ending the entity we know as VENOM
