Slade vs Venom

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Venom is the superior contender in this fight, Deathstroke some pretty cool gadgets and propsbut unless he uses sonics on him Venom will corner him web him up in a corner and most likely eat his brains, let's not forget Venom could leap over Slade one second and before Slade could even turn around Eddie could become invisible... scary stuff for Slade I'd imagine, the next moment Slade would be out cold not knowing which direction Venom is coming from, but again Slade has some cool gadgets, the only way I see Slade winning is through, cheapness not hand to hand, brawling to the finish, because his punches and kicks would not effect Eddie who has been seen to take many punches from Spiderman that knocked Firelord out, and just grab Spiderman and crush him.
Venom wins unless he becomes a victim of the cheapness.

The Cheapness is a being that often shows up out of no where, it has been known to take posession of guys like Frank Castle making it possible for him to defeat beings on a cosmic level. We never know when The Cheapness appears, it just shows up from time to time and seemingly disappears often leaving the recipient wondering how he/she accomplished the victory, unlike other abstract beings The Cheapness, has no boundaries and is said to exist in all places.

first, venom will NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE catch slade by surprise, it simply cannot be done. 2nd, venom CANNOT turn invisible. not completely anyway. He can cloak himself similar to the predator (perhaps a bit better, but not invisible, non the less), and with deathstroke's eyesight, he would be able to see him clear as day. Slade's reaction time is infitately better than venom's, and so he should be able to hold his own when venom gets close, dodging attacks long enough for him to use any of his numerous weapons. Venom might be able to dodge firearms at long range, but an expert marksman like slade at close range will be able to connect 99% of the time. and though the bullets might not hurt venom, it has been shown time and time again that it will at least slow him down. At that is all it will take for slade to pull out a victory with much more powerful weapons

cosigned

Can't turn invisible?

Can't dodge short range fire?


Slade can't be caught off guard?
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladenight53qy.jpg
Gunfire slows Venom down?

Next?

I see people saying Slade can't be caught by surprise..........Not true.
I have family lost tpb, and Starfire blasted his butt into the wall. He didn't pick up on it, and neither did Rose. Stop fibbing, people!!He can be hit.

On an aside....I wonder if superman is friends with the cosmic being known only as "The Cheapness". His many victories of late seem to indicate a strong lifeline like relationship......

how do you know that he wont catch on to whats happening wont his precog help

Because it didn't help him there???? Makes sense to me

Makes sense to me too. I mean, I already dissected the entire Slade respect thread, and have done my best to prove that Venom is too much for him. Also, if he really had precognition, which is a psychic ability, then nobody would hit him, ever. Also, nobody has even given up a valid argument for Slade having precognitive abilities. They just make claims.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Can't turn invisible?

Can't dodge short range fire?


Slade can't be caught off guard?
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladenight53qy.jpg
Gunfire slows Venom down?

Next?

no, venom cannot turn completely invisible. he can become NEAR invisible, but slade would still be able to spot him. he might be able to dodge short range, but not short range from an expert marksman with precog. and maybe gunfire doesnt ALWAYS slow him down, but in lethal protector (amongst other series) simple pistol fire does cause him to stop advancing (even if it doesnt hurt him). and yeah, slade not being able to be caught off guard is an exaggeration on my part, just saying its really difficult, especially for someone like venom, who generally attacks outright, only only switches to "smart fighting" once he's been defeated.

edit: and no, slade doesnt have true precog, but he IS able to calculate every possible outcome of every possible move in sequence instantaneously, thus being able to even "see" entire battles before they happen (if given enough time) and at LEAST being able to tell what his opponent will most likely do, amonst anything else they CAN do, in the midst of the fight.

how would he do against the promethium sword or the super staff if gunfire can hurt him ouch those things would hurt worse and those meta grenades OUCH, im so sure he'll keep getting fooled after getting attacked the first time, and yeah venom will kill him the first instant, why would he, starfire has hurt him and he still goes on fighting even after fighting cyborg.

^ He just said that gunfire can't hurt him. Also, sonics and explosions don't always work. Here's an example.

White Phosphorus and Fragmentation Grenades (meta grenades are just grenades that can effect the powers of DC superhumans, kinda like the meta nuke from Kingdom come. However, they shouldn't effect Superboy, should they?)

It has to be a concentrated blast to actually do something. The symbiote has toughened up. Also, like I said before. Venom has taken the brunt of hits from Iron Man's repulsor rays. All the staff would do for Slade is push Venom back, giving him time to breathe.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ He just said that gunfire can't hurt him. Also, sonics and explosions don't always work. Here's an example.

White Phosphorus and Fragmentation Grenades (meta grenades are just grenades that can effect the powers of DC superhumans, kinda like the meta nuke from Kingdom come. However, they shouldn't effect Superboy, should they?)

It has to be a concentrated blast to actually do something. The symbiote has toughened up. Also, like I said before. Venom has taken the brunt of hits from Iron Man's repulsor rays. All the staff would do for Slade is push Venom back, giving him time to breathe.

umm...did you read your examples? those dont help your arguements at all.... in fact they help mine...

It was an argument against the Meta grenades and Slade's staff. I don't even remember what your argument was, and where you mentioned it.

the fact that bullets and generic grenades are enough to slow him down

Well, I can agree with the grenades, but guns usually aren't. Sin Eater was able to knock him back with a point blank shot, and so was Mace. However, the rest just doesn't work.

i think opening up a round of semi-auto into venom's skull would slow him down. not beat him, but slow him down enough that slade can pull some nicer tricks out of his bag. The fight really all depends on what slade has in his arsenal and how quickly he can figure out Venom's weaknesses.

With his normal equipment, it would take him a damn long time to do it though. He'd hit him with a grenade, Venom gets up. He shoots him, Venom laughs. He stabs Venom with the sword, Venom laughs again. He hits him with the staff and kocks him through a few buildings, Venom dusts himself off, then laughs again. The fight would make a great crossover though.

yeah, im not arguing that it wouldnt be a good fight, i just dont see venom coming out on top in the end

Well, you're entitled to your own opinion. I just hate it when people think Venom's a chump though.

not at all, if you look at more of the older threads, 9/10 im pulling FOR venom

Well, Venom could run him over with a car.
http://venomove.ytmnd.com/
It's a good thing to see another person that doesn't think Venom is a punk. He's held his own against the best. In The Madness, he quite literally laughed at Juggernaut't punches.