Slade vs Venom

Originally posted by long pig
Don't get defensive, it's not your fault.
If I didn't call bullshit, then I'd be letting everyone down. So, therefore, bullshit.

I know tons about Venom, I know everything about Slade, and Venom can't handle it.

Talk about PIS:
Venom beats Electro: Hailed as one of the worst written comics in history(seriously, read spiderfan.org), Venom blindsides Electro. Venom attacks Electro but Electro doesn't absolutley Zero to defend himself. Nothing. Not blasts no heat, not even a punch.

Venom bites Sandman😛IS to the extreme. Sandman can shift his body like play dough, anything Venom could do would be undone in a half second. Sandman has take on Hulk, he's had his body blown apart and reformed in seconds, but Venom bites him and wins? Not only is it bad writing, it makes no sense.

Slade has hit Kidflash with his staff during a blits, same with Wally, same with Hal Jordan. He's hit Superman as well.
None of them just stood there. Slade is just simply fast enough to hit speedsters...pre-power up.

When he chased down Kid Flash, he was only able to hang with him for a few steps, which is still fast. When KF started to out-run him, Slade simply aimed and shot the speeding Kid Flash even though KF was a blur to everyone else.

You are aware that you're just Mider with grammar and typing skills, right? Venom poisoned Sandman, which is why his molecues began to fall apart.

Electro can't do much to Venom. Electricity just pisses him off. It's Ultimate Venom that can't stand electricity. A few writers like Garth Ennis got it wrong with how to disperse the suit. Electricity doesn't even come close to cutting it. Electro could hit the symbiote with electricity all day, and Venom would just laugh at him.

Now, when you're talking Slade, there's jobbing there. Kind of like Wolverine being able to take the Fantastic Four. It doesn't work like that. Also, just because a character like Superman, Flash, or Wonder Woman can move at can move at sub-light speeds doesn't mean that they do it all the time. I'm not doubting Slade's aim by any means, but you also have to acknowledge that the character Slade is facing more than likely isn't moving to their full potential. The only one I could see using her full ability is Wonder Woman, but that's only been recently, since she's gone psycho-b*tch, like so:

I don't doubt Slade's abilities, but I know when he's outclassed. If you wanted to take into account battles that the character shouldn't have come out alive in, you've got Hulk and Juggernaut for Venom, which would manhandle Slade like nobody's business. However, I compared him to people like Slade, and one who was basically Marvel's version, but had more technology, being Mace. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't come on here calling someone's post bullsh*t, because I have backed up my point very well.

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remeber people that when you hear marcus argue for ANY character remeber this

1 he thinks galactus is equal to the antimonitor
2 he thinks iron man can beat wonder women
3 he thinks ben grim can out class slade who is fast enough to hit superman, kid flash and other speedsters he thinks that ben can do what they cant.
4 instead of bringing a excellent counter argument to back up his claims he resorts to nit picking the persons post who was against his, and thus just makes excuses on why he cant bring any proof to the table why his character should win.

1. Don't know much about the Anti-monitor
2. Iron Man could kill Wonder Woman with proper prep and technology
3. That's been debated, and more people said Ben Grimm than Slade. Get over it. That was another time I pled my case well, Mider.
4. If you would read through the thread again, you would see I do my research, and don't make any claims without backup. Why in hell did you just pick open a fight that I just closed? Seriously. That's pretty toolish.

plead your case well? when? how? are you telling me he can do what WW and Superman cant do? Are you so deluded? You are a very deluded person and you prove it when you say things like anti monitor is equal to galactus you say you didnt know anything about him yeah then why make that assumption in the first place, also you never plead your case well you just take another persons arguments and say im not satisfied. You do this cause you cant ever conter properly and i have nothing to get over, slade would own venom and bens butts they dont have anything to bring to the table that he cant handle, and prep ANYONE CAN OWN ANYONE WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PREP, joker owned half the world with prep whats your point, he found out how to beat superman with prep so what. Thanos outsmarted a few elders of the universe, and a very powerful abstract with prep who cares. you cant ever prove your point properly you just dont know how you know its true, you cant handle yourself well you never have, slade loses to ben this is your argument to that battle

ben wins cause he can jump high and avoid his weapons pfft yeah he can do it even though superman, kid flash, and WW couldnt, you are out of it.

Ben wins cause he is NY pfft thats a good one dude wow power to you.

Ben knows NY, so what Slade droped a building on aquaman im sure he can do ben too in NY.

so please dont act like you won that debate you know you didnt in fact you couldnt because you know that we who know more about slade also know that ben grim cant take him simple as that sorry GET OVER IT, venom what can venom do to slade, will slade get caught by the symbiot he can evade superman and has did you know that and he is a speedster he once chased down kid flash for a few seconds and thats pretty darn fast he can hit guys as fast as flash, WW, superman is Venom faster then they are no, he's KO'd people stronger then venom like wonder women and superboy and supergirl or is able to with those grenades.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
You are aware that you're just Mider with grammar and typing skills, right? Venom poisoned Sandman, which is why his molecues began to fall apart.

Electro can't do much to Venom. Electricity just pisses him off. It's Ultimate Venom that can't stand electricity. A few writers like Garth Ennis got it wrong with how to disperse the suit. Electricity doesn't even come close to cutting it. Electro could hit the symbiote with electricity all day, and Venom would just laugh at him.

Now, when you're talking Slade, there's jobbing there. Kind of like Wolverine being able to take the Fantastic Four. It doesn't work like that. Also, just because a character like Superman, Flash, or Wonder Woman can move at can move at sub-light speeds doesn't mean that they do it all the time. I'm not doubting Slade's aim by any means, but you also have to acknowledge that the character Slade is facing more than likely isn't moving to their full potential. The only one I could see using her full ability is Wonder Woman, but that's only been recently, since she's gone psycho-b*tch, like so:

I don't doubt Slade's abilities, but I know when he's outclassed. If you wanted to take into account battles that the character shouldn't have come out alive in, you've got Hulk and Juggernaut for Venom, which would manhandle Slade like nobody's business. However, I compared him to people like Slade, and one who was basically Marvel's version, but had more technology, being Mace. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't come on here calling someone's post bullsh*t, because I have backed up my point very well.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Can't turn invisible?

Can't dodge short range fire?


Slade can't be caught off guard?
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladenight53qy.jpg
Gunfire slows Venom down?

Next?

Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ He just said that gunfire can't hurt him. Also, sonics and explosions don't always work. Here's an example.

White Phosphorus and Fragmentation Grenades (meta grenades are just grenades that can effect the powers of DC superhumans, kinda like the meta nuke from Kingdom come. However, they shouldn't effect Superboy, should they?)

It has to be a concentrated blast to actually do something. The symbiote has toughened up. Also, like I said before. Venom has taken the brunt of hits from Iron Man's repulsor rays. All the staff would do for Slade is push Venom back, giving him time to breathe.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
This guy had the tech to do it. Failed.

This guy had tech that would embarass Slade. He's called Mace. He couldn't do it either until he used stealth camoflague, which Slade doesn' have.

This is what happens when Venom is stabbed and cut by adamantium. Given, this was a clone with a different host, but it's the same biological makeup and abilities.

This is Spider-Man, who is supposedly stronger than Venom, saying that he can't beat Venom without help. Spider-Man could mop the floor with Slade, considering Slade is a ripoff of him and Punisher.

This is Venom taking a hit from a power staff that is extremely similar to Slade's, but arguably more powerful. It doesn't kill Venom.

The hunters were already amazing mercenaries, then gained abilites and technology that would make Slade cry. Look what Venom does.


Don't even THINK about telling me that Venom isn't gonna use those grenades against Slade. He knows grenades all right.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Bullets? Bah!

Slade is quick enough to hit Venom? Unless he can literally move as faster than a bullet, it still wouldn't be enough. Venom did this with relative ease.

You think one grenade can knock the symbiote off his back? It takes something like dynamite, which is much more powerful than a gredade, and multiple explosions of that to get the symbiote off him.

So, I've covered everything. Slade can use most of his brain? Venom has two brains to work with. Slade has great reflexes? Venom's are quicker. He's got a supposed promethium sword? Venom laughs at adamantium. The staff? A joke. A grenade? Bah. Venom can't take Slade's arsenal and use it against him? I just proved he could. You doubt the abilities of Venom? Look it up! http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t390942.html
Bickety BAM motha f*cka. You have NO proof that Slade can win this fight, and I'm playing with a full deck. You think Slade can win? PROVE IT! Give me scans that put him higher than Venom that aren't jobbing or PIS, because right now, I own you.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Because Spider-Man has never been able to beat him with his fists. Venom's also taken some extremely nasty hits. Also, after the Venom limited series, he has much more durability when it comes to fire and sonics, meaning it's hard to knock the symbiote off his back. I have proof of Spider-Man saying that he cannot defeat Venom by himself.

Also, Venom has fought opponents that are quicker than him all the time. The prime examples are Carnage and Scream. They are much quicker than Venom, yet he usually beats them considerably every time that they meet. You're also forgetting that Venom also has a knowledge of Slade in this fight. If Slade tries to throw a grenade, it may end up getting webbed to his hand, and Hulk had a hard time breaking through Venom's webs. Also, Venom could take Slade's staff or sword from him in battle. What then?

Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ Actually, you have no proof that he has actual precognition. His DAUGHTER has it, but Slade does not. I have never underestimated Slade. However, I have seen that he is a huge jobber, and on these forums, some of his victories are not rewarded to him because of PIS. One huge example is obviously the Identity Crisis fight, but I'm going to go through the Slade respect thread, and look at his accomplishments.
The Kneecaping - Caught his opponent off guard with a tranquilizer.
Catching Kid Flash - Inconsistent with the fact that Batman and Nightwing can tag him. Also, he moved with the momentum of the blow, which is basic strategy when facing a quicker opponent.
Anti-Tank Gun healing - Not impressed. Those rounds wouldn't even phase Venom.
The fact he can see things slower - It's the inspiration for Max Payne's bullet time. That is what gives him an advantage, but 90% brain capacity doesn't do that for you. I'm a science nerd, and I know these things. However, years of combat training will tell you what to do and when, which is how he can gain the upper hand.
Taking out four people before they can react - Punisher has done the same thing. Not impressed.

Hitting Flash with the staff blast, then tripping him up- Flash had his back to Slade, which was a cheap shot. When Slade tripped him, Slade made sure there was 1 was for Flash to go, and that was where he was. That's not precognition. That's stacking the odds in your favor. Totally different.
Snuffing Wonder Woman - Captain America has done the same thing to people the calibur of Wonder Woman, so it's expected considering the two are on the same level.
Blowing up a helicopter - That's low power. Good for him. Venom has been hit with full blasts of Iron Man's repulsor rays, which make Slade's staff look like dirt.
Slade evading Superman with his agility - To be honest, Venom could pull off those moves with his eyes closed.
The Identity Crisis fight - Complete PIS! Plot Induced Stupidity! A Green Lantern with a Green Lantern Ring should have ripped Slade into pieces twenty times over! His first instinct wouldn't be to punch!
The Nightwing Fight - This is more his capacity. However, if Slade has TRUE precognition, he would NOT be hit by Nightwing!
The rest of that thread is basically repetition.

Okay, what do you have now? The promethium (not proven) sword? Venom has stopped Adamantium before, and the symbiote's regenerative powers are just as good. Also, the symbiote can react out of reflex, and catch Slade's hand while he's swinging it at him. A gun? Venom quite literally laughs at guns. He's been pounded with shotgun, machine gun, and pistol fire all at once. Meta Grenades? Two problems with that theory: They made be made for DC heroes, but not for symbiotes, and Venom isn't gonna stand there with a grenade in front of him. He's gonna toss it right back. Venom once worked for the U.S. government! He knows weaponry! Slade has nothing to use that Venom cannot counter. So, what's your argument now?

That's everything. Now that it's all in front of you in two pages, tell me again that I have not backed up my point. There are also nearly a dozen people who said Slade would be defeated more times than not. I have gone over every specific detail. If you don't believe me, then that's fine, but don't call me a liar when I've done all that, you punk. I was reading comics when you were an embryo.

Now, that's I've given my case, I'm going to bed. Good night, and just chill folks. I'm tired of these stupid fights. I've felt like I'm talking to a brick wall.

do you have proof venom could evade spiderman

do you have proof that repulsion ray is stronger then slades since it was at LOW power blowing up that helicopter

he actually ran with kid flash for a moment not just hit him and he's done it more then once

why would venom not be affected by his meta grenades since they can take out superboy and supergirl

captian america taking out wonder women level beings and you call that not PIS he has a jobber aura as big or bigger then wolverine. Obviously that mace guy didnt have the right tech. im so sure venom could evade superman longer then slade can sept using his power, and since slade does know this battle is going to happen since those are in the rules he would have come up with something to take down venom id hope.

Dammit Mider! Venom has beaten more than enough guys that could have turned Slade into a pile of goop! You're not making a point! SLADE COULDN'T BEAT JUGGERNAUT! SLADE COULDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO HULK! SLADE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TOUCH SANDMAN! SLADE WOULD GET FRIED BY ELECTRO!

Knock it off!

lol dont get all pissy he cant beat juggernaut not even galactus or odin can hurt him GET OVER IT.

Electro i dont know much about comic book electro but if he's as strong as the one in the cartoons i dont know how venom could have servived his power.

how does venom hurt a guy who is basically...........like sand

Electricity - No dice against Venom. Already said that.
Sandman - Venom can inject poison through his fangs.
Galactus can hurt Juggernaut. So can Onslaught.

oh give me a break as fast as a bullet slade dodges bullets as if they were nothing.

the grenades are not like dynimite there better since they can do against a guys powers thats gonna be hella messed up for venom

can you prove that iron mans ray is stronger then slades since it knocked superman i believe.

Slade isnt just gonna sit there and let the grenade hit him if venom tosses it back and id hope he hits him with the beam first and then hits him with the grenade.

galactus cant hurt juggernaut its been done pal nothing happend, cyttorak the guy who gives juggernaut his powers, even eternity cant get rid of the guy, if you can find me a comic were galactus can hurt juggernaut ill be happy cause i havent heard of anyone who could sept the exemplars and also onslaught.

Iron Man's blasts have also knocked Superman around before.

Whenever something is fastened with the prefix meta in DC, the weapon is made to counteract metahumans. Kinda like the bomb in Kingdom Come.

Also, Venom dodges bullets like they're nothing when he chooses to. Check above posts.

slade also dodges bullets easily, and what crossover was that if it wasnt avengers/jla it dont count to my rememberence. If it knocked superman out iron mans beams all that says is that his beam is as strong as slades. and whats your point about the grenades how is that a defense against venom slade can always make a batch that is especially for venom just for this battle. And one question does the symbiot give off heat?

The symbiote doesn't, but Eddie's body does, and I know where you're going with this. He can be detected through infared, but you have to be looking at him.

Slade could possibly get a few wins but those wins would only be gathered by his 'Microwave' (aka heat) firing staff and the super grenades . If it gets physical then slade gets peeled and eaten like a banana.