Ymir vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by h1a8
It is a false statement to say someone don't know who the hell a character is because they haven't read All of their appearances (I probably have anyway). I guess you don't know who Thor is.

With that said, cold attacks and physical attacks are all Ymir has. I dare you to prove me wrong. Geez, People think I'm stupid these days.

No one said you had to read all of their appearances. I asked if you actively read any Thor comics. I've read every Thor comic to date, but I doubt I've seen every appearance of his outside of minis and Avengers titles. That said, I have got a comfortable handle on the character that doesn't rely solely on scans in respect threads.

And no, you're wrong. He's a mystical elemental character whose "cold attacks" transcend simple ice and freezing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Freezing things and hitting things are two different things 😱

He was drawing a parable about how the lightning bolt that is utilized by Captain Marvel isn't ordinary lightning and thus you shouldn't assume Ymir is composed of and utilizes ordinary ice.

Since they're both creatures of magic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Freezing things and hitting things are two different things 😱

At last I have cracked the code of h1's posts -- I can picture his biography like a map. As a child he was weak and lacking in social skills. Ostracized, he came to identify with the last son of Krypton, and in his mentally unbalanced state imagined that perhaps one day the sun would unlock his genetic inheritance. Eventually, he donned a superman cape, jumped out of a window, and hit his head on his parent's driveway, reducing what was already some pretty shaky cognitive equipment to the equivalent of scrap metal. Later in life, a dim awareness of the vast gulf separating him from ordinary men would lead him to become increasingly obsessed with the accident that first induced this condition, causing him to write meaningless strings of numbers that he claimed were tokens of his alter-ego's invincibility, while the hard, unrelenting stuff of the world -- the cold and concrete reality that had robbed him of his senses as a child -- was transformed by his imagination into a substance as soft and harmless as paper.

When h1 asserts that Ymir's ice and force cannot threaten Doomsday, it is only an attempt to shield himself from the unfathomable harshness of the world; it is an attempt to go back in time and undo at the source the trauma that gave shape to his ill-formed life.

Originally posted by Simbon
At last I have cracked the code of h1's posts -- I can picture his biography like a map. As a child he was weak and lacking in social skills. Ostracized, he came to identify with the last son of Krypton, and in his mentally unbalanced state imagined that perhaps one day the sun would unlock his genetic inheritance. Eventually, he donned a superman cape, jumped out of a window, and hit his head on his parent's driveway, reducing what was already some pretty shaky cognitive equipment to the equivalent of scrap metal. Later in life, a dim awareness of the vast gulf separating him from ordinary men would lead him to become increasingly obsessed with the accident that first induced this condition, causing him to write meaningless strings of numbers that he claimed were tokens of his alter-ego's invincibility, while the hard, unrelenting stuff of the world -- the cold and concrete reality that had robbed him of his senses as a child -- was transformed by his imagination into a substance as soft and harmless as paper.

When h1 asserts that Ymir's ice and force cannot threaten Doomsday, it is only an attempt to shield himself from the unfathomable harshness of the world; it is an attempt to go back in time and undo at the source the trauma that gave shape to his ill-formed life.

Epic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes I know who Ymir is. There is nothing he can do to DD. He can't freeze him nor hurt him physically with Ice. Ice to DD is like tissue paper to a human. And I didn't claim DD could beat Ymir, I claimed that Ymir can't beat DD. DD does have a chance to beat Ymir through evolving though.

Ice can't do harm To doomsday? You know the giant fire demon Surtur that destroyed an enitre galaxy in the same story arc used the casket of ancient winter's power to freeze Odin? This ice was more affective than the force prism that Thanos tried to imprisoN Odin with. Mystic ice from a being that has stalemated Surtur isn't just ice. Ymir is an elemental being of the skyfather league. Doomsday gets man handled.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Ice can't do harm To doomsday? You know the giant fire demon Surtur that destroyed an enitre galaxy in the same story arc used the casket of ancient winter's power to freeze Odin? This ice was more affective than the force prism that Thanos tried to imprisoN Odin with. Mystic ice from a being that has stalemated Surtur isn't just ice. Ymir is an elemental being of the skyfather league. Doomsday gets man handled.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Ice can't do harm To doomsday? You know the giant fire demon Surtur that destroyed an enitre galaxy in the same story arc used the casket of ancient winter's power to freeze Odin? This ice was more affective than the force prism that Thanos tried to imprisoN Odin with. Mystic ice from a being that has stalemated Surtur isn't just ice. Ymir is an elemental being of the skyfather league. Doomsday gets man handled.

Even in a comic do you think HP DD will get frozen by Ymir? Hell no! HP DD was written to withstand anything. Even if I entertain the delusion that Ymir can begin to start to temporarily freeze HP DD then DD would just evolve instantly and become immune to it. That is how he was written.

And Ymir would never be anywhere close to a skyfather for the simple reason he can be banished by one or bfred. Since you like ABC logic so much do you think Ymir can freeze Thanos?

Originally posted by h1a8
And Ymir would never be anywhere close to a skyfather for the simple reason he can be banished by one or bfred.

That makes no sense at all. Not every skyfather being can BFR someone under their own power nor do they have the ability to instantly recover from most BFR attempts. Hell, by this logic, Thor is more of a skyfather than Ymir because of his BFR capabilities and ability to resist a BFR.

He's a skyfather being based on his status and feats as opposed to people such as Odin and Surtur.

Doomsday stands no chance.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That makes no sense at all. Not every skyfather being can BFR someone under their own power nor do they have the ability to instantly recover from most BFR attempts. Hell, by this logic, Thor is more of a skyfather than Ymir because of his BFR capabilities and ability to resist a BFR.

He's a skyfather being based on his status and feats as opposed to people such as Odin and Surtur.

What does being able to banish a character have to do with anything though? It is the defense to prevent it or get back is what counts.

Many high heralds have skyfather feats, but that doesn't make them skyfather level.

Can't Atum be bfrd?

Radiant said that H/P Doomsday can sense vulnerabilties which allowed him to alter Radian't energy and kill him. DD was basically immune to all forms of attack and outside of bfr, will take this fight.

Is that why Superman took him out?

Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic doesn't hold here. DD was withstood the OE, deep space for long periods of time (a hair from absolute zero), etc.

You say that and then use ABC logic to defend DD? lol. Deep space isn't the same thing compared to a being who's power rivals and stalemated a Surtur.

Even in a comic do you think HP DD will get frozen by Ymir? Hell no! HP DD was written to withstand anything. Even if I entertain the delusion that Ymir can begin to start to temporarily freeze HP DD then DD would just evolve instantly and become immune to it. That is how he was written.

Lol at this nonsense. So if Galactus, Dormammu, Shuma Gorath, Oblivion, or Death decided to attak HP DD, he would withstand their assault? Stop being such a buffoon. Ymir would wreck HP DD. They guy went up against a few high heralds and a low end trans so you think nothing can stop him? Except he died atleast twice.

And Ymir would never be anywhere close to a skyfather for the simple reason he can be banished by one or bfred. Since you like ABC logic so much do you think Ymir can freeze Thanos?

WTF are you talking about? Odin took Surtur's body to do battle with Ymir. You act as if Odin can take Ymir out any time he wants. Yes, Ymir would freeze Thanos. Thanos was getting a beat down by Odin, why the heck wouldn't he be against Ymir?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Radiant said that H/P Doomsday can sense vulnerabilties which allowed him to alter Radian't energy and kill him. DD was basically immune to all forms of attack and outside of bfr, will take this fight.

Take what? DD's going to beat an elemental being that's stalemated Surtur?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
You say that and then use ABC logic to defend DD? lol. Deep space isn't the same thing compared to a being who's power rivals and stalemated a Surtur.

Lol at this nonsense. So if Galactus, Dormammu, Shuma Gorath, Oblivion, or Death decided to attak HP DD, he would withstand their assault? Stop being such a buffoon. Ymir would wreck HP DD. They guy went up against a few high heralds and a low end trans so you think nothing can stop him? Except he died atleast twice.

WTF are you talking about? Odin took Surtur's body to do battle with Ymir. You act as if Odin can take Ymir out any time he wants. Yes, Ymir would freeze Thanos. Thanos was getting a beat down by Odin, why the heck wouldn't he be against Ymir?

Take what? DD's going to beat an elemental being that's stalemated Surtur?

Plus you are not considering DD's evolving abilities.

Originally posted by Simbon
At last I have cracked the code of h1's posts -- I can picture his biography like a map. As a child he was weak and lacking in social skills. Ostracized, he came to identify with the last son of Krypton, and in his mentally unbalanced state imagined that perhaps one day the sun would unlock his genetic inheritance. Eventually, he donned a superman cape, jumped out of a window, and hit his head on his parent's driveway, reducing what was already some pretty shaky cognitive equipment to the equivalent of scrap metal. Later in life, a dim awareness of the vast gulf separating him from ordinary men would lead him to become increasingly obsessed with the accident that first induced this condition, causing him to write meaningless strings of numbers that he claimed were tokens of his alter-ego's invincibility, while the hard, unrelenting stuff of the world -- the cold and concrete reality that had robbed him of his senses as a child -- was transformed by his imagination into a substance as soft and harmless as paper.

When h1 asserts that Ymir's ice and force cannot threaten Doomsday, it is only an attempt to shield himself from the unfathomable harshness of the world; it is an attempt to go back in time and undo at the source the trauma that gave shape to his ill-formed life.

Doomsday is either

a) getting stomped to a bloody death by Ymir

b) getting punted across the Nine Worlds by Ymir

c) getting a Happy Gilmoresque club slice into orbit from Ymir

d) getting severe frostbite from Ymir's penis

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Doomsday is either

a) getting stomped to a bloody death by Ymir

b) getting punted across the Nine Worlds by Ymir

c) getting a Happy Gilmoresque club slice into orbit from Ymir

d) getting severe frostbite from Ymir's penis

a) not happening because Ymir is made of ice and DD is harder than ice, or at least DD is both harder and SMALLER than Ymir.

b) not happening

c) not happening

d) not happening

Ymir, easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ymir, easily.

He can't harm DD.
DD is harder an tougher than ice, or at least the ice Ymir is composed of; and DD is hella resistant (or totally immune) to being froze.

Also, people are not considering DD's evolving features as well.

If the OE failed to harm DD then Ymir is not harming him either. No way Ymir is beating HP DD.