Originally posted by h1a8Ymir is a magical entity of the skyfather caliber, its not regular ice.
He can't harm DD.
DD is harder an tougher than ice, or at least the ice Ymir is composed of; and DD is hella resistant (or totally immune) to being froze.
take zeus for example: Hulk is completely immune to lightning, zeus one-shotted him with a single bolt of his lightning because zeus a skyfather
so yea ymir freezes him to death..
You guys forget how powerful DS was in that series. I think Jurgens portrayed him like he later did with King Thor. DS destroyed rockets made of metal which was on par with adamantium, similar to what King Thor did with Wolverine. DS easly took care of Cyborg Superman, when supes was having problems, yet he lasted only 2 panels against DD after having hit him with OE not once but twice and at point blank range. It doesn't even slow DD, who then beats DS to an inch of his life. This is just against DS. DD also abused a superman amped by a mother box AND eradicator's energies. This DD was above skyfather level. He was at a point where the radiant said that DD could sense vulnerabilities and attack them. This DD was immune to physical and energy baed attacks, possibly even molecular manip (tanking OE twice). He was unbeatable and so had to be bfr'd. There is nothing Ymir can do in order to harm DD.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Ymir is a magical entity of the skyfather caliber, its not regular ice.take zeus for example: Hulk is completely immune to lightning, zeus one-shotted him with a single bolt of his lightning because zeus a skyfather
so yea ymir freezes him to death..
Lightning is an energy attack not a freezing one, and thus it makes sense that some lightnings can be stronger than others. But you can only get so cold, magical has nothing to do with freezing. Even if it did, the OE is not a regular laser beam, yet DD took it. In the same vein he takes Ymir's freezing without harm, or at least evolves to become totally immune to it.
You guys underestimate DD. He has resisted cold attacks as well as deep space. The onus is on you to not only prove that Ymir can even freeze him but that he can freeze him without DD evolving to be resistant to it (which can't be done).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, people are acting like Ymir is a giant snowman.
To DD he is. He can't freeze the unfreezeable nor is he harder than DD to even hurt him physically.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lightning is an energy attack not a freezing one, and thus it makes sense that some lightnings can be stronger than others. But you can only get so cold, magical has nothing to do with freezing. Even if it did, the OE is not a regular laser beam, yet DD took it. In the same vein he takes Ymir's freezing without harm, or at least evolves to become totally immune to it.You guys underestimate DD. He has resisted cold attacks as well as deep space. The onus is on you to not only prove that Ymir can even freeze him but that he can freeze him without DD evolving to be resistant to it (which can't be done).
To DD he is. He can't freeze the unfreezeable nor is he harder than DD to even hurt him physically.
The Casket of Ancient Winters , IMMOBILIZED a high end skyfather! "Magic" ice/snow/cold isn't the same as a common blizzard or attacks by the likes of Iceman/Killer Frost/etc....
Ymir is in a whole other league. He goes up against GALAXY busters. DD gets annihilated.
Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic involving characters is not always sound (who beat who or who stalemated who).
I don't care who Ymir stalemated. That holds no water to him even harming DD. That's like saying that since Juggernaut beat Thing he can beat Kitty Pride.Plus you are not considering DD's evolving abilities.
Did you actually read HPDD? I mean honestly, this is getting silly. Name me ALL the times DD evolved on the fly in an instant please? Furthermore, Ymir is a skyfather level being... a being who is a rival and virtual equal of Odin and Surtur. Two legit skyfather's based on feats. They have all fought one another countless times over thousands of years and neither being able to vanquish the other because of their power levels being very close. Ymir isn't a giant frosty the snowman... Ymir smashes DD, and really, with little effort to get the job done.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you actually read HPDD? I mean honestly, this is getting silly. Name me ALL the times DD evolved on the fly in an instant please? Furthermore, Ymir is a skyfather level being... a being who is a rival and virtual equal of Odin and Surtur. Two legit skyfather's based on feats. They have all fought one another countless times over thousands of years and neither being able to vanquish the other because of their power levels being very close. Ymir isn't a giant frosty the snowman... Ymir smashes DD, and really, with little effort to get the job done.
You know damn well I read it. What have you been smoking?
Only 1 time is enough to prove that DD can evolve on the fly. This is common sense.
Ymir is not a skyfather being. Any legitimate skyfather can beat him by merely banishing him or teleporting him into the sun. Ymir is not a rival of Odin nor Surtur. Remember not to go by comic fight outcomes if it contradicts what will really happen. DD is harder than Ymir, in no way can he physically harm DD. This is like me trying to harm a small diamond with my bare hands (flesh and bone).
Originally posted by zopzop
The Casket of Ancient Winters , IMMOBILIZED a high end skyfather! "Magic" ice/snow/cold isn't the same as a common blizzard or attacks by the likes of Iceman/Killer Frost/etc....Ymir is in a whole other league. He goes up against GALAXY busters. DD gets annihilated.
I don't care if it immobilized a skyfather. It is not doing jack to HP DD.
You must Defeat all of these to have a chance (defeating only some of them and I still win):
1. It temporarily immobilized Odin (list the issues so that others can see the context of the feat).
2. It is a low showing for Odin
3. DD resisted the OE which is >>>>>>>>>>> Ymir's freezing
4. Ymir doesn't have the casket of winters
5. DD is at least resistant to freezing and can evolve on the fly to deal with any freezing if he isn't already completely immune to it.
6. Juggernaut beating Thing doesn't mean he can beat Kitty Pride so get that stupid ABC logic outta here.
7. Over 99% of the time we see Odin he isn't a galaxy busting Odin. Those caliber of feats are so rare that we can almost say PIS. Superman was koed by a gas station. Otherwise we can say that those who went toe to toe with Superman went against 50 Earth weights of force and lasted.
8. As Bruce Lee would say, "Galaxies don't hit back". Which means that destroying a galaxy doesn't mean you are completely immune to being froze.
9. The writer of HP DD wouldn't have ANYTHING to be able to freeze him permanently due to the OE feat and the obvious intent.
10. HP DD has awesome HF and if stronger than both Superman and Odin.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ymir is not a rival of Odin or Surtur?Maybe if we ignore all the Journey into Mystery/Mighty Thor comics that show us otherwise. 😬
Seriously, you must think the guy is a garden variety Frost Giant.
Rivaling someone has nothing to do with how you fared against them. For the writer could have one of the characters fighting stupid in order for it to appear as a rivalry.
Ymir is not a skyfather, not even close. He doesn't have the necessary abilities to make it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Rivaling someone has nothing to do with how you fared against them. For the writer could have one of the characters fighting stupid in order for it to appear as a rivalry.Ymir is not a skyfather, not even close. He doesn't have the necessary abilities to make it.
So you don't even know the context in how Ymir has fared against Odin and/or Surtur, yet you feel comfortable enough in debating against him in favor of Doomsday?
Seriously, have you read anything with Ymir in it?
Originally posted by h1a8
Only 1 time is enough to prove that DD can evolve on the fly. This is common sense.Ymir is not a skyfather being. Any legitimate skyfather can beat him by merely banishing him or teleporting him into the sun. Ymir is not a rival of Odin nor Surtur. Remember not to go by comic fight outcomes if it contradicts what will really happen. DD is harder than Ymir, in no way can he physically harm DD. This is like me trying to harm a small diamond with my bare hands (flesh and bone).
I don't care if it immobilized a skyfather. It is not doing jack to HP DD.
Love how you accepted Doomsday's one-time instant-evolving feat because it happened on-panel once already, but completely dismissed Ymir's entire history (both on-panel and not) because he would flick Doomsday away like a minor pest.
😂
Originally posted by Eternal IdolYmir has no feats in which to show that he can even harm DD permanently. What are his feats against someone who is nearly indestructible (DD also has a HF and evolving feature)? I didn't ignore Ymir's history at all. Matter of fact if you look at one of his fights with Odin you will see Odin SEVERELY jobbing and not even using any of his powers. I don't consider jobbing to be valid in proving how powerful someone is.
Love how you accepted Doomsday's one-time instant-evolving feat because it happened on-panel once already, but completely dismissed Ymir's entire history (both on-panel and not) because he would flick Doomsday away like a minor pest.😂
Many here are extremely bias. They argue "Odin vs. whoever" that Odin would win because he is a galaxy buster, where as in over 99% of his showings he doesn't appear as such. Those feats are bordering on PIS because of their rarity. I would agree that Odin is a galaxy buster if the feats were more recent, despite their rarity.
Again, if you read's Ymir's history he is not skyfather level. Let any legitimate skyfather actually use their powers fully against him and he will lose (they can at least banish him somewhere like the sun).
I'm not claiming that DD would beat Ymir. I'm claiming that DD WILL NOT LOSE to Ymir since Ymir can't harm DD. I can agree on a stalemate with no problem (even though there exists the possibility that after many days or weeks of fighting DD would evolve enough to end Ymir).