Originally posted by Soleran
I wouldn't go saying Strange cannot phase Juggernaut, seriously once again thats a silly showing of Strange. He could TK his helmet, teleport him to another dimension etc etc
He couldn't teleport him to another dimension, because they were both locked in the Crimson cosmos. Anyways he created that skull cap that he has on in the scan so people could no longer get to his head so easily.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm afraid thats incorrectThor and Juggernaut have fought three times in comics, the first time is when Juggernaut took the god blast with np. The second time they fought is when Thor negated Juggernauts field and was able to hurt him. That doesn't mean he won though for he had to trick bfr Juggernaut to get away from him. The third time they fought Juggernaut damn near killed Thor within minutes, and this is from Thors mouth.
The problem I had with the second fight is that in that comic it implied that Juggernauts durability derives from his magic shield. This however is not true, because to get his shield up he has to want it up, and he rarely uses his shield. if you look back in comics you will notice that Juggernaut always is invulnerable, not just when he has his shield up.
Now I know that Hulk has beaten Thor in a fight but the same could be said about Hulk being beat by Thor. In the Thor respect thread there are scans showing Thor ko'ing Hulk.
Some scans from Juggernaut and Thors first fight
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/vs_ThorIIa.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/vs_Thor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jj3.gif
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/invulnerable.jpgSome scans from there second fight, you can see that it says that Juggernauts durability derives from his force field. This isn't true
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut25ym.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2b9li.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2c0sk.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2d9jy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2e7ao.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2f4hu.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2h7fh.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/thorvsjuggernaut2i6un.jpgThis is there third fight, It says that Juggernaut seems stronger but it's been stated by editors and the writer that this is Juggernaut in a fucused state.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor6.jpg
I just posted this again so people can see it
well, the scans of the second fight were certainly convenient . . . where exactly is the scan that follows this one:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...ernaut2f4hu.jpg
you know, the one where thor is holding him up with one hand and ready to polish him off? the scans skip that entire scene and go straight to when he has the hammer again! skewed . . .?
not sure what you're talking about with his durability. thor was able to block the source of his shield so he couldn't use it. his shield most certainly plays the major portion with regards to his durability. without it, thor h2h proved at least as strong, more skilled and had the shield not come back up would have ko'd juggernaut.
8th day was . . . focused? okay . . . editor can say what he likes, i and many others aren't buying that i'm afraid.
the thor comparison falls short because thor has never beaten hulk without his hammer or the odinpower.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, the scans of the second fight were certainly convenient . . . where exactly is the scan that follows this one:http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...ernaut2f4hu.jpg
you know, the one where thor is holding him up with one hand and ready to polish him off? the scans skip that entire scene and go straight to when he has the hammer again! skewed . . .?
not sure what you're talking about with his durability. thor was able to block the source of his shield so he couldn't use it. his shield most certainly plays the major portion with regards to his durability. without it, thor h2h proved at least as strong, more skilled and had the shield not come back up would have ko'd juggernaut.
8th day was . . . focused? okay . . . editor can say what he likes, i and many others aren't buying that i'm afraid.
the thor comparison falls short because thor has never beaten hulk without his hammer or the odinpower.
If you can show me 5 scans where Juggernaut uses his shield in a h2h fight, I would be happy. Juggernaut never uses his shield, he has to summon it, and in that fight they stated that it's always on.
Your link doesn't work but if you could get that scan for me I would appreciate it. Sorry I dont have it
Many people here know that 8th day Juggernaut is a focused Juggernaut. In fact there' a thread on it in the comic book section.
that link was from soleran's post. it's third from the bottom.
here's the scan that it missing from the sequence:
if he WAS focussed, it's really one of the stupidest things i've ever heard of in comics. it throws into question all of juggs prior showings and basically labels everything PIS -- or says juggs has had a permanent case of the stuips or is ADHD. anyway you look at it, it's ridiculous in light of his other showings. the editor wasn't thinking very clearly. i'd also much prefer to hear from a writer, than the editor who is removed from the creation process and really doesn't know just what the writer/artist had in mind when depicting individual scenes.
i don't hear juggs questioning that thor would have ended it, nor do i see any sign that he had to continually 'think' about putting the shield up. clearly the shield alone made the difference in the fight.
It kind of makes since due to the fact that we rarely see a focused Juggernaut. In most comics he fights like he doesn't have a care in the world, and it shows in his performance. There has however been other instances in comics were he was able to become stronger due to focus, like the scan below.
What about this feat right here, read the caption it says that never had a fury like this ever been unleashed upon the earth. Hulk is included in this catogory
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp332kl.jpg
He didn't over power Thor?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor5.jpg
Originally posted by Soujaboy
It kind of makes since due to the fact that we rarely see a focused Juggernaut. In most comics he fights like he doesn't have a care in the world, and it shows in his performance. There has however been other instances in comics were he was able to become stronger due to focus, like the scan below.
i keep seeing that scan -- i have the book. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't that scene happen in a different dimension?? what i'm saying is that that is NOT the 'real' physical juggs, it is an otherdimensional manifestation of him. that skeleton (iirc) was more like a representation of his . . . willpower.
in any event, that is not a strength feat, more, as i said, a feat of will and a desire to keep going. even thor noted that in him. which makes the idea of him being 'not focussed' seem very silly to me. how can you have a 'never be defeated attitude' while at the same time never being focussed? seriously, that does NOT make sense . . .
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What about this feat right here, read the caption it says that never had a fury like this ever been unleashed upon the earth. Hulk is included in this catogoryhttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp332kl.jpg
He didn't over power Thor?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor5.jpg
the third fight i discount. again, i personally feel that was an amped juggs. i know you'll claim it, so we'll agree to disagree as regards that incident.
as for the naration -- again irrelevent to me as it was not regular juggs. in any event, i could show a bunch of narration saying similar things about hulk. narration is not a very reliable source.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Im going to take this from snoopdogI dont write the comics I just read them, and get the cats from Marvel.
Were he got his skin burnt off was in the 616 universe
entirely your perogative of course. it just really doesn't make sense in lieu of all his other showings. i need to double check that one shot. i'm sure there was something more to it . . .
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What about this feat right here, read the caption it says that never had a fury like this ever been unleashed upon the earth. Hulk is included in this catogoryhttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp332kl.jpg
He didn't over power Thor?http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor5.jpg
No, he didnt overpower Thor, he simply fought smarter and used his reach advantage. As you can clearly see in the earlier pages he could not over power Thor. Thor is able to deflect his blows while telling civilians to escape. As a result the Juggernaut resorts to throwing him and then squeezing him. Of course, the whole fight scene is just ridiculously bad writing since Thor not only forgot how he kicked juggernaut's butt in the earlier fight (disabling the force field) but also forgot that he can survive in space without an oxygen supply and hence has no need to breathe, therefore convincing himself that he was going to black out just because he could no longer expand his lungs and take in oxygen.
lol so he didn't overpower him?
what about here?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor2.jpg
lol, and here
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor3.jpg
Oh, but thats just reach advantage? lol
BTW, those characters you named are top tier characters
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I e-mailed marvel about it just to make sure, so in a couple of days check back and I should have the e mail posted.
i'll go out on a limb and guess they'll back up their editor . . .
but, no matter what they claim, they can't change all his previous appearances and the ones that followed. compared to his history, that incident is very inconsistent. even if they say you're right, you're left calling cis/pis in all his other appearances. look at the disaster marvel created when they retconned the beyonder. besides that, in the forum, it is generally more acceptable to use a character's most CONSISENT showings rather than just their high showings or low showings. that theory alone would eliminate that entire arc.
