Venom vs Toxin

This was debated a while back between me and someone else. The fight takes place on the New York docks. (keep in mind the fact that they're fighting in an urban enviornment)

Venom (Eddie Brock)
Former reporter
Class 40 or so strength
Retains Spider-Man's powers, including Spider-Sense, agility, reflexes, ability to adhere to walls, and such
Inventive with his tendrils
Experience on his side

Toxin (Pat Mulligan)
Former NYPD
Also retains Spider-Man's abilities, but has a more barbed webbing
Class 75 strength
Claws
Very good with shape-shifting

Who would win this battle?

Originally posted by Marcus4600
This was debated a while back between me and someone else. The fight takes place on the New York docks. (keep in mind the fact that they're fighting in an urban enviornment)

Venom (Eddie Brock)
Former reporter
Class 40 or so strength
Retains Spider-Man's powers, including Spider-Sense, agility, reflexes, ability to adhere to walls, and such
Inventive with his tendrils
Experience on his side

Toxin (Pat Mulligan)
Former NYPD
Also retains Spider-Man's abilities, but has a more barbed webbing
Class 75 strength
Claws
Very good with shape-shifting

Who would win this battle?

How did Venom get such a dramatic strength increase?

Originally posted by Sparkz
How did Venom get such a dramatic strength increase?

You call that dramatic? He is stronger than that, he proved it many times but i think that marvel directory wasn't updated for a long time.
Atleast Venom profile wasn't.

I'd say Venom's a class 40 or 50.

Hm. Tough call in my opinion. Venom supposedly is supposed to be the weakest of the symbiotes, because he is the first, yet he's somehow managed to beat most of the other symbiotes. I honestly think Venom would win this fight. Toxin is still considered young, and probably isn't quite as smart as Venom, and Venom is a bit of a tactician. I think as Toxin grows more he'll be able to beat Venom, but not quite yet.

Although I think Venom would come out of this fight hurting, I still think he'd win.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
I'd say Venom's a class 40 or 50.

Yeah, he's 50.

http://www.fanlistings.org/venom/bio.php

Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
Hm. Tough call in my opinion. Venom supposedly is supposed to be the weakest of the symbiotes, because he is the first, yet he's somehow managed to beat most of the other symbiotes. I honestly think Venom would win this fight. Toxin is still considered young, and probably isn't quite as smart as Venom, and Venom is a bit of a tactician. I think as Toxin grows more he'll be able to beat Venom, but not quite yet.

Although I think Venom would come out of this fight hurting, I still think he'd win.

Age is not always main factor in symbiot strength. Carnage is the good example. Look at him in Carnage unlished. He was young there.

Originally posted by samishe
Age is not always main factor in symbiot strength. Carnage is the good example. Look at him in Carnage unlished. He was young there.

Well the thing is, Venom can beat Carnage, because Venom is smarter, as I said, he is a tactician. I think that would come into play here because Toxin isn't as much of a tactician as Venom. At this point in time, Venom could take on Toxin and win. But as Toxin grows, he will probably get smarter. Personally, I'm a Toxin fan over Venom, but I still think Venom would win this fight.

Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
Well the thing is, Venom can beat Carnage, because Venom is smarter, as I said, he is a tactician. I think that would come into play here because Toxin isn't as much of a tactician as Venom. At this point in time, Venom could take on Toxin and win. But as Toxin grows, he will probably get smarter. Personally, I'm a Toxin fan over Venom, but I still think Venom would win this fight.

Yeah but Venom beats Carnage not because he is smarter, he simply outfights him.

Originally posted by samishe
Yeah but Venom beats Carnage not because he is smarter, he simply outfights him.

but he doesn't always simply outfight someone. they are in an urban area, they'll use eachothers weaknesses against each other, including using surroundings against each other.

Originally posted by samishe
Yeah but Venom beats Carnage not because he is smarter, he simply outfights him.

By no means true. Venom does fight him well, but there have been times that Carnage has ripped Venom a new one. In Carnage Unleashed, Venom got thrown into a car going 75+ miles an hour after a day of being thrashed around. Whenever he beats Carnage, he uses his enviornment to his advantage. That's strategy.

I'm sorry to argue with you guy's but some inaccuracies piss me off and Venoms strengh is a big one. Their is now way in hell that venom is class 50 , do you see him pull off any class fifty feats . No. I'll give him class thirty maybe even thirty five , but no higher.

Well, the big argument for him being class 50 is that he does most of his strength feats with ease. However, I lean more toward 40 than 50. However, it kinda depends on what day it is.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
By no means true. Venom does fight him well, but there have been times that Carnage has ripped Venom a new one. In Carnage Unleashed, Venom got thrown into a car going 75+ miles an hour after a day of being thrashed around. Whenever he beats Carnage, he uses his enviornment to his advantage. That's strategy.

Well in unlished Carnage simply pushed him into a car. Not a big deal, Spider-man could do that. In Maximum Carnage Venom was beating Carnage without using environment.

Meh , until i see him lift a plane (or something which at least weighs around fifty tons) i'm skeptical.

Originally posted by grey fox
Meh , until i see him lift a plane (or something which at least [b]weighs around fifty tons) i'm skeptical. [/B]

Well Carnage is concidered class 50. I never seen him lifting anything heavier than helicopter. Even then he used not only his hands but also his tendrils.

Toxin takes him....Venom is cool, is just Toxin is stronger, but he is unexperienced, but Venom knows exactly what he can do, but still Toxin is stronger and he looks cooler too, sorry sam...

Originally posted by samishe
Well Carnage is concidered class 50. I never seen him lifting anything heavier than helicopter. Even then he used not only his hands but also his tendrils.

WTF

Marvel need to seriously upgrade their handbook system....

Originally posted by Rewmac
Toxin takes him....Venom is cool, is just Toxin is stronger, but he is unexperienced, but Venom knows exactly what he can do, but still Toxin is stronger and he looks cooler too, sorry sam...

Yeah he is stronger. Just like many other characters that Venom faced and beat. Strength isn't always main thing. Plus Venom is the original symbiot, so he is just... better.

And Toxin looks cooler? Don't think so. Venom has tangue and cool symbol. 😄

Originally posted by samishe
Well Carnage is concidered class 50. I never seen him lifting anything heavier than helicopter. Even then he used not only his hands but also his tendrils.

their's nothing wrong with carnage using his tendrills, it mainly used as grip.

i think toxin would win, byt venom would put up a decent fight.