THANOS vs. SUPERMAN AND THOR

Originally posted by olympian
The only double standart here Juntai is claiming SM constantly beats down guys on the level that Thanos has little problems with.

The other double standart is : Thanos cant be all that because even if he beats down Thor, since he has no lifting feats he cant be stronger than the top tier group.

I have YET to see that argument ever being done for Doomsday. My stance isent that SM isent capable of deal with high end characters. Both him and Thanos can.

Its how good they both perform at regular levels. Thanos usually thinks little of the top tier group. SM doesnt. He isent usually written breaking down top tier groups. He isent usually owning them. Mocking them. Is it clear now?

Out of that they both have high ends and low showings.

And when did SM waved thro a group of GL`s?

I never made any claims on thanos not being strong because of not lifting, Thanos IS strong, high class, but I don't consider him "Infinite" strength class with the likes of Superman and a few others. He even said himself he wouldn't want to take on Champion or Hulk in a physical bout in Thanos Quest.

And you first mentioning of double standard at the top of the post isn't actually a double standard with what you wrote. And you spelled it wrong.

Originally posted by Juntai
He even said himself he wouldn't want to take on Champion or Hulk in a physical bout in Thanos Quest.

Originally posted by Wally West
That was a long time ago and before he had ever fought Hulk or Champion. He has made fools out of both of them since.

So why bring it up? Hes obviously beyond both of them now.

Originally posted by Wally West
So why bring it up? Hes obviously beyond both of them now.

Originally posted by Wally West
That was a long time ago and before he had ever fought Hulk or Champion.

Originally posted by olympian
Rigth. Because they dont have any feats. And thats the logic of Who_kid?. Not mine.

Lets see another. How many lifting feats does Darkseid have?

But since most people were like "Thanos is stronger end of discussion" without a reliable source to back them up, I had to resort to lifting feats and such, because Superman excels in those.

And I still think that lifting power = punching power. So Superman definitely hits harder and faster. Ouch.

If somebody has a better suggestion how to compare Thanos physical strength and Supermans physical strength, feel free to tell me about it.

no one can, but superman in DC has always been stated as either equaled or unmatched, so thanos is either equal or below superman in strenght... simple logic applied to that pointless question, as thanos has enough powers to render superman unable to use his strength against thanos

Originally posted by Juntai
Orion? Green Lantern/Kyle? Martian Manhunter? Flash? Wonder Woman? Supergirl? Steel? and Superboy aren't a tough team?

What are you on?
lmfao.

This brings me alot of memories that Hulk alone "beat/trashed/made short work/owned" the four Avengers big guns when one of them was easily stalemating him.

Originally posted by MattDay
no one can, but superman in DC has always been stated as either equaled or unmatched, so thanos is either equal or below superman in strenght... simple logic applied to that pointless question, as thanos has enough powers to render superman unable to use his strength against thanos

Superman cant be unmatched if he has battles when other top tiers can match him.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I realize that "lifting feats" don't mean much in a vs-thread. I know that very well thank you.

But since most people were like "Thanos is stronger end of discussion" without a reliable source to back them up, I had to resort to lifting feats and such, because Superman excels in those.

And I still think that lifting power = punching power. So Superman definitely hits harder and faster. Ouch.

If somebody has a better suggestion how to compare Thanos physical strength and Supermans physical strength, feel free to tell me about it.

1- Your getting there.

2- There is a way. Direct comparation. Thanos beats top tiers and heralds with relative ease usually. Superman doesnt. Therefore theres a difference in level.

Direct comparation is the best way of measure. Thats how we know CM is Supes strength equal (give or take) even if he has no lifting feats close to Superman. How? By the way the matches between both go. Its usually stalemates.

Thats how we know Doomsday who lacks big lifting feats is in some encarnations, stronger than Superman. How? By the way theyr figths went. SM was beaten in some.

How else would you consider the ones i listed as SM level or above?

You can't compare it. They have different powers, different enemies, different circumstances in which they fight, different reasons, different personalities and different PIS/CIS.

A direct comparison is not possible. Thanos beats Surfer you say ? Well, the way Surfer fights Thanos, Superman would beat him too. Thanos beats Thor you say ? True, but not as easy as you think. Superman beat Thor too, and also had trouble with him.

But all this is useless, so I'm gonna give it another try : I say Thanos bites the dust, because there's no way he can hold his own against two top of the bill heroes.

Superman hits him like what, hundred times a second, one mega über power punch after the other. Thor finishes what's left of him with a few good hits from his hammer. If anybody believes Thanos won't feel that, they are lost.

Thanos had trouble with Champion (shields up, shields down) and only managed to trick him - a not too difficult thing by the way. His shield was crumbling under Champions fists, and I'm very sure Superman and Thor will make it crumble a lot faster than Champion.

And what then ? Behind what will Thanos hide ?

Ive already said once that I can easily see Supes and Thor winning. A good 6-8/10. Supes is well....Supes. I dont like him, everyone knows that. Im a Supes hater but I will admit what he can do. Thor has beaten many, many top tiers in his "career". Including big G and ego. In fact in those two instances he sent them packing and admitting it. He's cracked a celestials armor, destroyed exitars celestial dome and shook the entire planet while doing it. He has also absorbed more energy(a galaxie destroying blast) than thanos has ever put out(normal Thanos). He's screwed with time, projected anti-matter particals, matter transmutation ect, ect. So we have defeats against beings way over Thanos and destruction of celestial tech. What makess it so hard to believe that two chracters like this can win. Both have been doing things like this for a lot longer than Thanos has been around. Each in thier own have beaten beings stronger than Thanos, what makes people think both have no chance?

Originally posted by who?-kid
Thanos had trouble with Champion (shields up, shields down) and only managed to trick him - a not too difficult thing by the way. His shield was crumbling under Champions fists, and I'm very sure Superman and Thor will make it crumble a lot faster than Champion.

And what then ? Behind what will Thanos hide ?

And its silly to assume Thanos' shields haven't been upgraded/improved since then given the nature of the character and what we have seen his shield's resist since then, and we can't assume Thanos himself isn't more powerful than he was at that point (his showings post IG would suggest he is more powerful now).

OK We all know Superman Cannot beat Darksied. When Galactus went to Apokolypse( did I spell that right?) Darksied beat Silver Surfer like he was a new born Kitten. It wasn't even a fight. And I know SS can creme Superman. So no Superman is not beating Darkseid. Not for real. And Thanos is as close to Darkseid as Marvel Gets. Thor and Superman Together would probably Annoy Thanos for a while before he sucked the energy out of Superman and then turned it against Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
First of all supreme physical force >>>>>>>>>energy projection.
This has been proven over and over in the comics.
Example 1: Thor is nearly invincible to energy projection but has gotten beaten pretty badly by juggernaut, hulk, etc.
Example 2: Onslaught's armor vs. Hulk and Onslaught's armor vs. energy projection

The spank order is faulty. Why do people use such illogical crap?

Tyrant is energy projection. So is Odin, Galactus, etc. Thano's specialty is the manipulation of energy. That is why he can fight such beings (in most cases only a small limited amount of time). But powerful beings using physical force against him is different. Also, it has been shown that he can be hit and hurt physically.

Comics contradict other comics. So which ones do we use as evidence?
Should we use only the ones that that support our side?
Some comics show thor's hammer having no effect while other show him getting hurt by it. This is an example of a contradiction. So what do we use. I certainly in good sense believe that the hammer can hurt Thanos. And so can superman's punches.

I don't know if Superman or Thor can be hurt by energy projection for they have endured blasts of Thanos like power and greater on multiple occassions. But Thanos has been hit (and hurt) and handled physically before.

Sorry, I'm babbling a bit. This post may sound bad. I am very sleepy and sick. This is definately not my best (probably worst) post writing. I am usually pretty good at this.

So my point is I don't think Thanos can hurt Superman or Thor sufficiently with his energy projection. Nor do I think he can engage them physically if they are going all out (has anyone ever seen superman go all out. It is not a pretty picture). So I say the team wins the majority unless anyone can explain specifically how thanos can win (let along hurt them energy wise). Please don't use anymore "Thanos has fought blah toe to toe" crap. Just explain how can he win if both are attacking him simultaneously at different angles and at super speed. But remember that Thanos has been hit physically (and got hurt) fighting one on one. Fighting two is a different matter.

I just stumbled on an interesting solution to this comic vs. arguing stuff.
Just support your side by creating a scenario of how so and so can win.
Explain in details of how the battle can go.
No more "He has fought so and so. Thus he can win." crap.

That's right no more spank order crap. It is useless as well as faulty. Just explain how your side can win please.

Originally posted by olympian
1- Your getting there.

2- There is a way. Direct comparation. Thanos beats top tiers and heralds with relative ease usually. Superman doesnt. Therefore theres a difference in level.

Direct comparation is the best way of measure. Thats how we know CM is Supes strength equal (give or take) even if he has no lifting feats close to Superman. How? By the way the matches between both go. Its usually stalemates.

Thats how we know Doomsday who lacks big lifting feats is in some encarnations, stronger than Superman. How? By the way theyr figths went. SM was beaten in some.

How else would you consider the ones i listed as SM level or above?

Sorry but that is not quite right.
Most characters weight under 1000lbs. So they can be easily knocked back by a class 10 guy (such as spider-man). That doesn't make the class 10 guy just as strong as them. The only reason why we know DD and Darkseid is just as strong (DD is stronger) as Supes is because of how easily they can penetrate him (It is hard for superman to penetrate himself). In comics (with the exception of martial art characters), punching power equals lifting strength.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
O Darksied beat Silver Surfer like he was a new born Kitten. It wasn't even a fight. And I know SS can creme Superman. So no Superman is not beating Darkseid. Not for real. And Thanos is as close to Darkseid as Marvel Gets. Thor and Superman Together would probably Annoy Thanos for a while before he sucked the energy out of Superman and then turned it against Thor.

As Jack Kirby said he will not right a book where Darksied is beaten by Superman....... his original idea was that he was Galactus level.

and it was a non cannon issue............ in another issue .... they compared Silver surfer to 5th dim imps

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Originally posted by kgkg
Darksied never beat SS the only thing he did was attack him from behind.......... but SS easily destroyed Orion who is near Darksieds level.

As Jack Kirby said he will not right a book where Darksied is beaten by Superman....... his original idea was that he was Galactus level.

and it was a non cannon issue............ in another issue .... they compared Silver surfer to 5th dim imps

😉

I love Jack Kirby and his creations. 😄

What issue was that and what was the comparison and who made it?

Originally posted by kgkg
Darksied never beat SS the only thing he did was attack him from behind.......... but SS easily destroyed Orion who is near Darksieds level.

As Jack Kirby said he will not right a book where Darksied is beaten by Superman....... his original idea was that he was Galactus level.

and it was a non cannon issue............ in another issue .... they compared Silver surfer to 5th dim imps

😉

SS fought Orion, DS was fighting Galactus....and still 1 shotted a repowered Surfer.

In the issue where "SS is compared to 5th dimensional Imps" even Mxy said "big deal, all I did was shrink the city." He unshrank a city, something that Eradicator, the atom, or even Zatana could do. Any Imp would stomp SS.