Exar Kun vs Mace (Lightsaber Only)

Actually there is not much proof that Kun is a much better duellist than Vodo IMO in saber combat and no real proof that his staff is more/equally powerful to his saber because....

You were saying?

Vodo's stick can be broken.

Funny how it didn't break before Kun got serious. Thwapping things with a lightsaber tends to break them.

Vodo hit Kun with his staff, and as most it broke his arm.

He hit him, while Kun was still his apprentice in a completely different fight. And it broke his arm? What are you smoking?

We know that before Kun went to the darkside they sparred. At the end of the sparring Kun took two swords and broke Vodo's staff. At that moment he told Kun that he was the best student he had ever trained.

Yes. And we know that Vodo beat him before Kun called the second saber to his hand. What's your point?

After a while Kun turned to the dark side and confronted Vodo, who defeated him if I remember it right. (Broke his arm or something)

You remember incorrectly and you're making things up. Kun's arm was never broken, he only fought Vodo twice. Once as an apprentice, the second time as the Dark Lord of the Sith where he toyed with and curbstomped Vodo.

Then a time after that Kun confronted him again and Kun broke his staff to win. So actually, Kun could be equally good as a saber user as before, he broke his staff then too, but he sure as hell wasen't the better duellist.

Oh, he wasn't the better duelist? That's why he literally toyed with Vodo the entire time and then, the minute he got serious about fighting, Vodo found himself cleaved in half?

QED.

Vodo's stick was able to withstand a lightsaber to a certain degree and Kun was just too powerful for him and was able to break it. Vodo was the superior duelist but his staff was simply not able to withstand the power that Kun was able to generate with his saber. And the dialogue simply refers to Kun's single saber and was not taking into account the power that can be produced by a double bladed saber or two sabers.

Vodo's stick was able to withstand a lightsaber to a certain degree and Kun was just too powerful for him and was able to break it.

The narration is clear. The staff was made "more powerful" than a lightsaber.

Vodo was the superior duelist but his staff was simply not able to withstand the power that Kun was able to generate with his saber.

Bullshit. Vodo was the superior duelist, that's why Kun handed his ass to him when he got serious?

Vodo was the superior duelist, that's why he was never able to get a hit on him?

And the dialogue simply refers to Kun's single saber and was not taking into account the power that can be produced by a double bladed saber or two sabers.

Which would be equal to what one can generate with a single saber.

You can't hit with both sides of a double saber at once.

Originally posted by IKC
The narration is clear. The staff was made "more powerful" than a lightsaber.

No. Vodo was able to make the staff more powerful then KUN'S saber. The fact that when wielding dual sabers and a saber staff, Kun was able to break through the middle of Vodo's staff shows that it was not strong enough the withstand the added speed (and the fact that Kun was able to generate more speed means more power) of the dual sabers and saber staff.

[/B][/QUOTE] Bullshit. Vodo was the superior duelist, that's why Kun handed his ass to him when he got serious? [/B][/QUOTE]

When he "got serious", he was not able to outduel Vodo but was simply able to overpower him with his saber staff.

[/B][/QUOTE] Vodo was the superior duelist, that's why he was never able to get a hit on him? [/B][/QUOTE]

Neither was Kun. He had to use the power of his saber staff to break through his stick.

[/B][/QUOTE] Which would be equal to what one can generate with a single saber.
You can't hit with both sides of a double saber at once. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well double bladed sabers enable more speed which in turn enables more power. And I take it that I don't have to explain to you how dual sabers can generate more power.

No. Vodo was able to make the staff more powerful then KUN'S saber. The fact that when wielding dual sabers and a saber staff, Kun was able to break through the middle of Vodo's staff shows that it was not strong enough the withstand the added speed (and the fact that Kun was able to generate more speed means more power) of the dual sabers and saber staff.

Unless Kun's saber is wildly different in form and function from any other saber (a premise there's zero logic or evidence for) then Vodo's staff is more powerful than any lightsaber.

That and adding another saber doesn't necessarily add speed. Lightsabers are weightless, whatever "power" exists came from Kun's physical strength more than the weapon itself.

That and you have no premise to assume that Kun merely plowed through the staff physically. For all you know, he was able to dispel the Force power that Vodo applied to the staff.

When he "got serious", he was not able to outduel Vodo but was simply able to overpower him with his saber staff.

This is why Kun was on the offense the entire (short) time he got serious and quickly defeated Vodo? Sorry. He curbstomped him.

Neither was Kun. He had to use the power of his saber staff to break through his stick.

Except then he got a hit on him and the fact that Vodo was never able to come close to hitting Kun shows Kun was the superior duelist.

Well double bladed sabers enable more speed which in turn enables more power. And I take it that I don't have to explain to you how dual sabers can generate more power.

Excuse me? How the **** does it "enable more speed?" This isn't a video game. Speed is entirely dependant on the man's physical strength and the weight of the weapon. Lightsabers are weightless except for the handle. Ergo, adding another blade does jack shit for making a weapon faster.

Simple physics is your friend.

And yes, you should explain how adding another saber suddenly equals "more power," Numan. Hurry up, before you're banned again.

Originally posted by namun66
Vodo's stick was able to withstand a lightsaber to a certain degree and Kun was just too powerful for him and was able to break it. Vodo was the superior duelist but his staff was simply not able to withstand the power that Kun was able to generate with his saber. And the dialogue simply refers to Kun's single saber and was not taking into account the power that can be produced by a double bladed saber or two sabers.

What are you talking about? You can't say Vodo is the superior duelist when Kun creates his own technique and Vodo has no defense for it, which is the case. I'm sure we can sit here and argue who will win with 1 saber but it's not the case. His stick got broken, and he got pwned... End of story.

Originally posted by tdtd
What are you talking about? You can't say Vodo is the superior duelist when Kun creates his own technique and Vodo has no defense for it, which is the case. I'm sure we can sit here and argue who will win with 1 saber but it's not the case. His stick got broken, and he got pwned... End of story.

Yes I can. He was the better duelist and his staff was simply unable to withstand the power that Kun was able to generate. Give them both the same weapon and Vodo would destroy him.

Originally posted by namun66
Yes I can. He was the better duelist and his staff was simply unable to withstand the power that Kun was able to generate. Give them both the same weapon and Vodo would destroy him.

"Pass what you're smoking."

Begging the question, logical fallacy.

What do you mean given both had the same weapon? I'm sure if Kun could use Sadow's amulet an unlimited amount of times he'd be the most uber force user ever. If statements and situations are also logical fallacies. If my package was 1 inch bigger I'd be a porn star, big deal.

What package?

NVM

I just don't get how his staff was more powerful than the saber. It could not resist a strike with too much force put behind it.
And the scan you showed IKC proves that the staffs strike was nothing more than a normal strike. If that was a real saber he would have cut the hand off, but as you said, his arm didn't even break.
If you explain it I'll be greatful.

I just don't get how his staff was more powerful than the saber. It could not resist a strike with too much force put behind it.

Suspension of disbelief is pretty much a prerequisite when dealing with science fiction. The omniscient narrator stated it was more powerful, thus it was so.

And the scan you showed IKC proves that the staffs strike was nothing more than a normal strike. If that was a real saber he would have cut the hand off, but as you said, his arm didn't even break.

The narrator doesn't say the staff can cut like a lightsaber, dude. That, and it's not really clear that Vodo was using his power at the moment he hit his apprentice's hand. It's quite possible that he wasn't.

Ok then.
But really, in what way is it more powerful than a saber?

It's powerful enough to withstand a lightsaber, not more powerful than a lightsaber or enough to cut through a lightsaber Kamikz.

oh ok...but still not powerful enough to withstand a awefully strong strike from a lightsaber, which really doesen't describe why it is "more" powerful than a lightsaber.

The statement itself is quite ambiguous... That's the problem with most of the comics, they don't specify..

not more powerful than a lightsaber

Again, the narrator is clear. It is stated to be "more powerful" than a lightsaber. Take that to mean what you like, but we do know that, at bare minimum, it can block a lightsaber.

That statement makes no sense. If it was indeed more powerful than a lightsaber, then it would be able to slash through a lightsaber, like that famous denari lightsaber that was founded. Instead it's powerful enough to block a lightsaber, so that statement is in fact unclear.

If it was indeed more powerful than a lightsaber, then it would be able to slash through a lightsaber, like that famous denari lightsaber that was founded.

That doesn't necessarily follow. "More powerful" is ambiguous, it doesn't mean it'd be able to slash through.