Why are you getting off topic here? This would be a great saber fight, Kun would by no means curbstomp Mace but he is the superior duelist. ANd if you want to talk about the greatest, think to the first ever dark jedi. The most powerful are usually the first ones.. Or maybe the first jedi interbred with the Sith...
Originally posted by tdtd
Why are you getting off topic here? This would be a great saber fight, Kun would by no means curbstomp Mace but he is the superior duelist. ANd if you want to talk about the greatest, think to the first ever dark jedi. The most powerful are usually the first ones.. Or maybe the first jedi interbred with the Sith...
Since when were the first ever the most powerful? No, you think to the greatest era of the Sith, that's usually the safest best.
Originally posted by tdtd
I'm referring to the first being the most powerful.. First Lycan, first Vampire, etc... The sith from the golden age learned from the people before them and so on and so on.. It's very logical to say the first dark Jedi and the first interbred Sith were very powerful.
This has nothing to do with Vampires and Lycans, going under the concept that the first were the most powerful is foolish. Were the first Jedi the most powerful too? The first Republic? The first human empire?
Trying to integrate outside sources of fantasy into a universe that was never designed to parallel it = failure.
Originally posted by tdtd
Ok but again, the ancient sith learned from their predecessors and so forth, my point is it is logical to assume the first dark jedi and sith were very powerful as their magic was passed down.
No it isn't. That's only if you're saying that the Sith never developed anything at all. Naga Sadow himself is example of just the opposite.
Don't prefix things with "it's logical to assume" when it's just your opinion.
By this logic, the pupil can never exceed the teacher, the latter generation can never grow past the former, the 21st century society is weaker than the 2nd century society. Bullshit.
Originally posted by tdtd
I'm not saying Sadow didn't develop anything himself, but where did Sadow get his powers from? His master Simus, who got it from his master. Maybe it's wrong to put the first beings above everybody else but the ancient sith's power obviously originated from those before them.
And were developed, refined, and added to by later generations.
Originally posted by tdtd
Ok but I can say the first ones were very powerful.
Again, inconclusive. The first ones were weak enough to be cast out of the order.
Tell me, were the first Romans "very powerful"? Were the first Greeks "very powerful"? Were the first Egyptians "very powerful"?
No, it seems to me (and it's shown on panel with all the developments and constructions they've made) that they built their civilization from the ground up, they attained knowledge through the ages up until they got to their "golden age."
Originally posted by tdtd
hmmm interesting... But at the same time the Sith of the Golden age were also defeated by the republic.
Not by any stretch, they were defeated by a combination of Gav + Convicts + Insurrection + Empress Teta if I say so myself. Read Fall of the Sith Empire, the situation was hardly normal.
The split empire itself would have conquered both the Republic and Teta's empire if it wasn't for Gav's last second betrayal.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Kun would recognize some parts of Mace's style, Mace would see Kun's style as completely foreign. Advantage there? Kun, if anyone.
I doubt that Kun generated every single movement used in his style personally meaning he had a knowledge base (most likely the known styles) and developed his unique style out of it. I doubt that Mace will see Kun's style as "completly foreign".
On the other handside we really don't know if the seven forms did exist all in Kun's era. I know they are displayed in KotoR but the "inventors" of the forms state that:
- form III became popular with the advancement of blaster technology (if you have a look at TOTJ most people are wielding melee weapons like the Krath or very heavy guns e.g. the beastriders)
- form IV arose "centuries" before the events displayed in the PT (possible the time of the Brotherhood of Darkness)
- form V was "invented" after that or at the same time
- form VI became the "standart" during Palpatine's reign (which means that it was mainly used by Jedi who started training ~25 years before TPM)
- form VII (requiring mastery of IV and V couldn't have been invented before them)
So it's basically speculation that Kun did even know about the styles that were needed to use form VII not even talking about form VII itself or Mace's Vaapad (which is still an extension of form VII). So Mace's style might be exactly equal foreign to Kun while Mace might knew the "basics" of Kun's style.
I'm not saying that Mace will win because of that (he has a unique weapon against him and a style he will - if anything - only recognize in basic movements) but Kun on the other handside will be confronted with a muscle-packed Jedi using a very agressive style incorporating darker emotions (which is VERY uncommon if not completely unknown in his era).