Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Well...we have to take into account the fact that Mace Windu is Shaft and is also some big black guy who reads the bible in Pulp Ficiton. it is perfectly logical that Exar will merely surrender to the vast power and perfection that is the #1 BMF.
Why is their still discussion on the matter?
Originally posted by Fox5
No,I am mearly saying that Kun wouldve most likely prepared ,solidly, himself against a Form II user,but we know Mace uses Form VII,it's an agressive form,Kun would assume that Mace would just be another Form II practitioner,he wouldn't expect Mace to be an agressive,not defensive,fighter,thus making it more difficult to defeat Mace. 😉
You want the spacebar. . .
Originally posted by Fox5
No,I am mearly saying that Kun wouldve most likely prepared ,solidly, himself against a Form II user,but we know Mace uses Form VII,it's an agressive form,Kun would assume that Mace would just be another Form II practitioner,he wouldn't expect Mace to be an agressive,not defensive,fighter,thus making it more difficult to defeat Mace. 😉
WTF? He's going to prepare for a Form II user? He'll at least recognise Windu's form as a variant of Juyo. Whereas Windu won't recognise Kun's form at all...
Originally posted by TrayaBut he wouldn't expect a Jedi to use an incomplete form.Not many back in those times did that.Kun might not even recognize it,and even if he did, as you said, it is a 'variant' of Juyo,not Juyo itself,therein lies Kun's disadvantage.And yes,Kun would prepare and train to counter a Form II user(as I said before,most Jedi of that era were utilizing that Form).And as someone here said,Windu spared with Dooku(he may have lost but do you think he would be stupid as to not train to counter Form II aswell?),Windu WOULD recognize Kun's Form as the same form Dooku used but more agressive.
WTF? He's going to prepare for a Form II user? He'll at least recognise Windu's form as a variant of Juyo. Whereas Windu won't recognise Kun's form at all...
Originally posted by Fox5
But he wouldn't expect a Jedi to use an incomplete form.Not many back in those times did that.Kun might not even recognize it,and even if he did, as you said, it is a 'variant' of Juyo,not Juyo itself,therein lies Kun's disadvantage.And yes,Kun would prepare and train to counter a Form II user(as I said before,most Jedi of that era were utilizing that Form).And as someone here said,Windu spared with Dooku(he may have lost but do you think he would be stupid as to not train to counter Form II aswell?),Windu WOULD recognize Kun's Form as the same form Dooku used but more agressive.
Since when was "preparation" an element in this match? There's no prep time, it's literally as if they are dropped into a ring and duke it out. Kun would recognize some parts of Mace's style, Mace would see Kun's style as completely foreign. Advantage there? Kun, if anyone.
Originally posted by IllustriousTrue,but as you said,Kun would recognize,some of Windu's form,not all.And remember,Mace is the Master of this form,not someone trying it out for the first time.He faired pretty good in the Mace vs Palpy duel, even though he was on the defensive most of the time,and won.(and yes he WON fair and square,GL said it himself).Now,I'm not sure what exactly Palpy's lightsaber form is,but that proves that Mace didn't just know Form I and VII.Otherwise,he wouldn't have faired that long against Palpy.
Since when was "preparation" an element in this match? There's no prep time, it's literally as if they are dropped into a ring and duke it out. Kun would recognize some parts of Mace's style, Mace would see Kun's style as completely foreign. Advantage there? Kun, if anyone.
Didn't the PT jedi occasionally encounter double bladed swords? If so then they wouldn't be completely unprepared with a double bladed saber. Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi were able to fight pretty well against Maul, and Maul was only able to slay Jinn because he was a better duelist and not because his style was too unfamiliar to Jinn.
Originally posted by Fox5
True,but as you said,Kun would recognize,some of Windu's form,not all.And remember,Mace is the Master of this form,not someone trying it out for the first time.He faired pretty good in the Mace vs Palpy duel, even though he was on the defensive most of the time,and won.(and yes he WON fair and square,GL said it himself).Now,I'm not sure what exactly Palpy's lightsaber form is,but that proves that Mace didn't just know Form I and VII.Otherwise,he wouldn't have faired that long against Palpy.
Uh, do you know what Vaapad is all about?
Vaapad itself is considered a "completion" of Juyo, but the difference is purely mental. Vaapad is using the dark side to channel one's bridled rage into an effective but uncorrupting fighting force. Read Shatterpoint, it's practically the Vaapad how-to guide. Juyo itself is described as this:
Form VII
Only high-level masters of multiple Forms can achieve and control the ultimate descipline known as Form VII. This is the most difficult and demanding of all Forms, but it can eventually lead to fantastic power and skill. Form VII employs bold, direct movements, more open and kinetic than Form V but not so elaborate in appearance as Form IV. In addition to very advanced Force-assisted jumps and movements, Form VII tactics overwhelm opponents with seemingly unconnected staccato sequences, making the Form highly unpredictable in battle. This trait makes for a much more difficult execution than the graceful, linked move sequences of Form IV. Form VII requires the intensity of Form V, but much greater energy since that focus is wielded more broadly. Form VII draws upon a deeper well of emotion than even Form V, yet masters it more fully. The outward bearing of a Form VII practitioner is one of calm, but the inner pressure verges on explosion. Form VII is still under development since so few can achieve the necessary mastery to advance the art.
Now, Juyo WAS noted by the KOTOR era, not forty years after Kun. I could be shooting in the dark here, but I'd be VERY surprised if it did not exist and/or had been seen in Kun's era. Probably very rare all across the board, but the point remains: it was known. Now, Vodo was a six hundred year old jedi master, possessing sith knowledge, the ability to make his staff stronger than a lightsaber, etc. etc. At the very least IF Juyo existed during that time, THEN it stands to reason that Vodo knew it, possibly studied it. Now, this is all speculation, but I'm putting it out here to note that the idea of Vaapad being SO foreign he can't deal with it is silly. Likewise, swordplay itself has lots of universal moves and goals, so while one or two moves might be unusual, the basic array remains the same. Hence why Obi-Wan was able to successfully fight Maul (A Juyo user, btw) despite barely being a padawan and relatively a novice to the art of swordplay.
Originally posted by Fox5
Sorry, ((The Anomally)).
No, no, I was just pointing it out, it just makes it easier to read and understand what your saying if you space things. Not trying to be an ass, just people will take your points more seriously if you put at least a little effort into your typing (though your still pretty damn good, you should see some other people that have made appearances throughout the years here...lol) Just trying to make it easier for you. Your points are valid and good, so it makes sense to make your typing reasonable as well, since people will take you more seriously.
Anyways, s'all coo'.