Top 10 force users ( Excludes the Ancienth Sith )

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Ok, mind proving that? Prove that he could sense individual being, especially he Visas says he didn't know his ship had been boarded. Now for your argument to be correct, Visas would have had to said "He doesn't CARE that we boarded." She says as plain as day that he doesn't see people only planets and stars. Kreia also mentions it also, now we have me with 2 sources backing me up, and you with an assumption...

Obviously genius, read the damn topic before you post.

Thats assuming Revan doesn't simple stay out of range and summon a force storm over his head.

1) He sensed the disturbance in the force caused by the Exile but could not pinpoint his location thus he summoned his apprentice Visas.

2) He willfuly siphoned force energy from those around him force sensitive and non-force sensitive alike.

Nihilus would tear Revan a new one in a one on one fight. Just because Revan zapped a few Rakata with a "force storm", doesn't mean he gets to do it to a force sensitive leech like Nihilus.

What Visas said essentially was that because of the hunger Nihilus' attention was focused around large bodies of force sensitives rather than individuals, doesn't mean that he couldn't sense individuals because he quite clearly could. The main point here is that he didn't sense individuals (as Visas said) but the game never gives any indication that he couldn't sense individuals.

Here is Visas' quote: "I don't believe he knows his ship has been boarded.... , and if he did he would not care." And she continues: "The extent of his power cannot be put into words...... and his perceptions have grown as well. To him..."

Then Tobin continues: " You are dust motes in a storm...., a grain upon a beach..., and as insignificant as a body that orbits the graveyard of Malachor." What this means is that Nihilus can sense individuals, he just doesn't give a damn (too small to warrant his full attention).

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except we're not discussing a full potential Anakin, we're discussing what Anakin was. Revan is second only to Sidious as a sith, and only to Luke(and arguably Yoda) as a Jedi.

I'm not talking about Anakin's potential, I'm talking about ROTS Anakin whose force powers were already beyond most of the most powerful Jedi in the their greatest age.

Also, there have been too many great Sith to automatically assume that Revan was the second greatest, if anything his accomplishments as a Sith are no greater than Ulic's or Malak's.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'm not talking about Anakin's potential, I'm talking about ROTS Anakin whose force powers were already beyond most of the most powerful Jedi in the their greatest age.

Also, there have been too many great Sith to automatically assume that Revan was the second greatest, if anything his accomplishments as a Sith are no greater than Ulic's or Malak's.

Do you know that how much Revan has achieved?

- That entire Sith Empire that you see in KOTOR was actually created by Revan. Do you know that how much difficult it is to create such a huge Empire?

- Revan was the one to discover Star Forge (a secret ancient Super-Weapon) that remained hidden for many centuries.

- It was due to Revan's tactics and leadership, that Republic managed to defeat Mandalorian Forces (who in KOTOR period had become the most powerful military force ever seen before and was considered to be unstoppable)

- Revan was not just a war hero but lot more then that.

- It is Revan who dominated an entire warrior ancient race (called Rakatans) in their own planet.

- Revan was the one who was considered to be the biggest threat to the Jedi Order after becoming a DLOTS in entire KOTOR period.

- Most of the famous people you meet and work with in KOTOR were once part of Revan's work-force. He was so powerful and influential that even his powerful apprentice "Malak" decided to betray him from afar when he got the chance. Because Malak knew that as long as Revan is alive, no one and I repeat no one would get the chance to challenge him for power. The Sith Lords that you see in KOTOR II would have never even existed, if Revan was still the DLOTS, because he would deal with the threat of Kriea very early but he never got the chance.

- Many worlds fell under his influence and joined his cause and Republic was about to collapse until those Jedi made a stunning move by raiding Revan's own flagship.

- Revan was the one who re-established the Sith acadmey on Korriban (that you see in KOTOR) and discovered the secrets of Ancient Sith by discovering and exploring their Tombs in the rocky world.

I have not seen this much from even Exar Kun and only Sidious rivalled (or possibly surpassed) Revan's achievements at-least 4000 years later.

Revan was the one who turned the Sith in to the most powerful Force ever seen before but it was also due to his exploits that Sith almost got destroyed. He has done far more then Ulic, Traya and Malak.

Better update your knowledge.

There is no "possibly". Sidious's achievements outstrip Revan's own (successfully conquering the galaxy, toppling the Republic, destroying the Jedi Order, and instituting the Empire) but I agree that Revan deserves second or third place.

if revan is 3rd whos 2nd? And what did good ol vader accomplish or was he palpatines biatch?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What?

Do you know that how much Revan has achieved?

- That entire Sith Empire that you see in KOTOR was actually created by Revan. Do you know that how much difficult it is to create such a huge Empire?

- Revan was the one to discover Star Forge (a secret ancient Super-Weapon) that remained hidden for many centuries.

- It was due to Revan's tactics and leadership, that Republic managed to defeat Mandalorian Forces (who in KOTOR period had become the most powerful military force ever seen before and was considered to be unstoppable)

- Revan was not just a war hero but lot more then that.

- It is Revan who dominated an entire warrior ancient race (called Rakatans) in their own planet.

- Revan was the one who was considered to be the biggest threat to the Jedi Order after becoming a DLOTS in entire KOTOR period.

- Most of the famous people you meet and work with in KOTOR were once part of Revan's work-force. He was so powerful and influential that even his powerful apprentice "Malak" decided to betray him from afar when he got the chance. Because Malak knew that as long as Revan is alive, no one and I repeat no one would get the chance to challenge him for power. The Sith Lords that you see in KOTOR II would have never even existed, if Revan was still the DLOTS, because he would deal with the threat of Kriea very early but he never got the chance.

- Many worlds fell under his influence and joined his cause and Republic was about to collapse until those Jedi made a stunning move by raiding Revan's own flagship.

- Revan was the one who re-established the Sith acadmey on Korriban (that you see in KOTOR) and discovered the secrets of Ancient Sith by discovering and exploring their Tombs in the rocky world.

I have not seen this much from even Exar Kun and only Sidious rivalled (or possibly surpassed) Revan's achievements at-least 4000 years later.

Revan was the one who turned the Sith in to the most powerful Force ever seen before but it was also due to his exploits that Sith almost got destroyed. He has done far more then Ulic, Traya and Malak.

Better update your knowledge.

What are you talking about? Revan won the mando wars with the help of the Jedi and the superior numbers of the Republic forces over the Mando's.

He may have re-established the Sith but so did Kun, Ulic and Nadd. He never made the Sith stronger as Bane, Vader and Sidious did nor did he hold power long enough to make a great difference because his reign was brought to a premature end by Malak's deception.

As a Jedi he brought about the end of the JCW in Kotor 1 but as a Sith, all he suceeded in doing was starting a war he couldn't finish.

You've overhyped every little achievment he had and then conveninetly forgot that he wasn't a Sith in Kotor 1. As far as Sith go Revan is far from second greatest.

As for the Rakata they had lost their ability to manipulate the force and degenerated into a primitive society of warring tribes, all Revan did was kill a few Rakata guards on Lehon with a "force storm". His achievments as a Sith are nothing special but he's definitely a top 10 Sith.

My top 10 would be...

1) Luke Skywalker
2) Darth Sidious
3) Exar Kun
4) Darth Revan
5) Nomi Sunrider
6) Darth Nihilus
7) Mace Windu
8) Yoda
9) Jedi Exile
10) Darth Traya

1. Luke Skywalker.
2. Kyp Durron.
3. Jedi Master Revan.
4. Darth Bane.
5. Darth Sidious.
6. Darth Nihilus.
7. Jacen Solo.
8. Exar Kun.
9. UnuThul
10. Lord Nyax.

I'm ignoring general unknowns (such as entities that we only get to see the ghost of (Ajunta Pall, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd), or never really get to see display their true power (Zanama Sekot (the fact that it's also a planet is making me disregard Zanama too), Kol Skywalker, Darth Krayt etc.)).

Revan's greatness is second only to Sidious.

Originally posted by Allankles
What are you talking about? Revan won the mando wars with the help of the Jedi and the superior numbers of the Republic forces over the Mando's.

Originally posted by Allankles
He may have re-established the Sith but so did Kun, Ulic and Nadd. He never made the Sith stronger as Bane, Vader and Sidious did nor did he hold power long enough to make a great difference because his reign was brought to a premature end by Malak's deception.

He introduced modern Sith who were technologically superior to all Sith Rebels before. He established a huge Sith Empire, which was capable enough to finish off Republic.

Should I tell you that what the Republic did to Exar Kun's Sith?

Originally posted by Allankles
As a Jedi he brought about the end of the JCW in Kotor 1 but as a Sith, all he suceeded in doing was starting a war he couldn't finish.

That betrayal ended all his plans.

Originally posted by Allankles
You've overhyped every little achievment he had and then conveninetly forgot that he wasn't a Sith in Kotor 1. As far as Sith go Revan is far from second greatest.

Originally posted by Allankles
As for the Rakata they had lost their ability to manipulate the force and degenerated into a primitive society of warring tribes, all Revan did was kill a few Rakata guards on Lehon with a "force storm". His achievments as a Sith are nothing special but he's definitely a top 10 Sith. [/B]

He went there, destroyed the entire army of Black Rakatans and ripped the minds of the remaining Black Rakatans and installed Basic in them, so that he could speak to them and understand. If this is not domination then what it is actually?

And those Black Rakatans were still fearsome warriors. They looted and killed who ever went there in their regions and even managed to train the mighty Rancor Beasts for warfare. They were far from average primitives and a big threat to the Elder Rakatans who were technologically superior.

Originally posted by allfg
1. Luke Skywalker.
2. Kyp Durron.
3. Jedi Master Revan.
4. Darth Bane.
5. Darth Sidious.
6. Darth Nihilus.
7. Jacen Solo.
8. Exar Kun.
9. UnuThul
10. Lord Nyax.

I'm ignoring general unknowns (such as entities that we only get to see the ghost of (Ajunta Pall, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd), or never really get to see display their true power (Zanama Sekot (the fact that it's also a planet is making me disregard Zanama too), Kol Skywalker, Darth Krayt etc.)).

Nebaris! Welcome back.

Sidious > Revan and Bane. It's good to see that the fanboyism lives on.

Originally posted by Kadesh
if revan is 3rd whos 2nd? And what did good ol vader accomplish or was he palpatines biatch?

Palpatine's biatch.

Originally posted by Gideon
Nebaris! Welcome back.

Sidious > Revan and Bane. It's good to see that the fanboyism lives on.

No he's not, make a thread and I bet I'll make a better case for Bane at least than you can for Sidious.

"The strongest of whom was darth Sidious."
"Darth Sidious, the culmination of a thousand years of power and tradition..."

You were saying? When I see Bane control a world like Coruscant, we'll talk

Originally posted by allfg
No he's not, make a thread and I bet I'll make a better case for Bane at least than you can for Sidious.

Lmao. You couldn't make a better case for Christianity getting it's namesake from Jesus Christ. We've got evidence, we've got quotes, we've got feats. All you have is: what? Bane thought that he had the power to move a moon?

People have fed me the EoD arguments; Nai roasted your ass over a virtual fire. But, given that anyone and their mother can do that, lol, it's no surprise.

Kopekz thought he might just be the sith'ari aka the ultimate sith and perfect being after only just one conversation with Bane, so he clearly sensed that the force within Bane was on the next level.

Githany believed his power was beyond the level of pretty much any jedi or sith master when he had only received a few months worth of training. The jedi and sith during those times were pretty uber, this speaks for quite a lot.

Kaan, the leader of the BoD was scared shitless of him before he had even met him; this was based purely on descriptions of his power.

When he was 18, he was able to instinctively choke his father to death, which greatly speaks for how prodigious he was, and how strong in the force he was.

He once lost his temper, and was able to instinctively project his fury on an entire room full of people; that speaks for truly how strong he was in the darkside.

He pretty much mastered force lightning after just 1 hour of having learnt the technique, and was even able to create a miniature storm. By BotS, after having grown much more powerful, he would likely be able to replicate this to much greater effect.

He was able to release a wave of energy that was able to collapse the entire 20 story Rakatan Temple, and the temple wasn't even hit by the entire attack (it wasn't hit by the portion that hit Kas'im).

He was able to choke Quordis to death like he was a child, and Quordis was one of the top sith in the BoD, the head of the academy in fact.

He was able to control the power of over 20 sith lords combined with his own to destroy an entire world. This speaks quite a lot for his mastery and control by that point

He was able to pull a moon out of orbit, and pretty casually too given he did it while riding on top of a flying beast.

He knew every move and sequence of the saber staff perfectly (and those are the moves and sequences for all 7 forms, and not just the regular forms, but Kas'im's perfected forms), and thus would be able to wield one to the same effect as Kas'im.

Sirak, the top apprentice at the BoD Academy was damn powerful; he was able to move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms..and Bane was able to completely outclass him in saber combat; his shatterpoint ability was so great that he was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's style seconds after the duel began, and constantly throughout the battle, but held back because he wanted to humiliate Sirak, and tire him down first, and towards the end, was able to tool him with one masterful manoeuvre; his movements were faster than the eyes of everyone present could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them.

He as good as defeated Kas'im in a duel; Kas'im was basically The master of the lightsaber; he mastered every from, every primary art of the saber, and then furthered and perfected each form and constantly refined his skills, and Kas'im was only able to defeat him when he used a style that was alien to Bane.

While he was choking Quordis to death, Quordis begged him to stop and let them fight with sabers so that he could die with honour, and Bane said that he would be able to just as easily defeat him with a saber, and Quordis agreed. This implies that Bane would have been able to defeat him in seconds with a saber, and Quordis was one of the top sith of a pretty impressive order.

Bane possesses the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps dark side energies and adrenaline into his body, and strengthens his muscles and keeps them constantly flexed. It's also completely immune to the cutting power of even a lightsaber, and covers his entire body, except for his head (the only area where he can be physically affected), and a few joints where the gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through anyway.

His knowledge base was also pretty considerable too;

1. He pretty much knew the entire BoD archives inside out.

2. He had received most of the teachings that the then current Masters could offer via Githany.

3. He had gained most of the knowledge found inside Darth Revan's holocron.

4. He was able to access a jedi holocron.

5. He was able to plunder the tomb of Nadd's holocron, and gain access to his holocron.

Bane > Sidious, and easily the most powerful sith ever.

Nebaris, you are a moron who can't manage to fight his KMC addiction. If I were you I'd learn how to debate and then come back in a few years, when we're all gone.

Originally posted by allfg
Kopekz thought he might just be the sith'ari aka the ultimate sith and perfect being after only just one conversation with Bane, so he clearly sensed that the force within Bane was on the next level.

Githany believed his power was beyond the level of pretty much any jedi or sith master when he had only received a few months worth of training. The jedi and sith during those times were pretty uber, this speaks for quite a lot.

Kaan, the leader of the BoD was scared shitless of him before he had even met him; this was based purely on descriptions of his power.

When he was 18, he was able to instinctively choke his father to death, which greatly speaks for how prodigious he was, and how strong in the force he was.

He once lost his temper, and was able to instinctively project his fury on an entire room full of people; that speaks for truly how strong he was in the darkside.

He pretty much mastered force lightning after just 1 hour of having learnt the technique, and was even able to create a miniature storm. By BotS, after having grown much more powerful, he would likely be able to replicate this to much greater effect.

He was able to release a wave of energy that was able to collapse the entire 20 story Rakatan Temple, and the temple wasn't even hit by the entire attack (it wasn't hit by the portion that hit Kas'im).

He was able to choke Quordis to death like he was a child, and Quordis was one of the top sith in the BoD, the head of the academy in fact.

He was able to control the power of over 20 sith lords combined with his own to destroy an entire world. This speaks quite a lot for his mastery and control by that point

He was able to pull a moon out of orbit, and pretty casually too given he did it while riding on top of a flying beast.

He knew every move and sequence of the saber staff perfectly (and those are the moves and sequences for all 7 forms, and not just the regular forms, but Kas'im's perfected forms), and thus would be able to wield one to the same effect as Kas'im.

Sirak, the top apprentice at the BoD Academy was damn powerful; he was able to move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms..and Bane was able to completely outclass him in saber combat; his shatterpoint ability was so great that he was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's style seconds after the duel began, and constantly throughout the battle, but held back because he wanted to humiliate Sirak, and tire him down first, and towards the end, was able to tool him with one masterful manoeuvre; his movements were faster than the eyes of everyone present could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them.

He as good as defeated Kas'im in a duel; Kas'im was basically The master of the lightsaber; he mastered every from, every primary art of the saber, and then furthered and perfected each form and constantly refined his skills, and Kas'im was only able to defeat him when he used a style that was alien to Bane.

While he was choking Quordis to death, Quordis begged him to stop and let them fight with sabers so that he could die with honour, and Bane said that he would be able to just as easily defeat him with a saber, and Quordis agreed. This implies that Bane would have been able to defeat him in seconds with a saber, and Quordis was one of the top sith of a pretty impressive order.

Bane possesses the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps dark side energies and adrenaline into his body, and strengthens his muscles and keeps them constantly flexed. It's also completely immune to the cutting power of even a lightsaber, and covers his entire body, except for his head (the only area where he can be physically affected), and a few joints where the gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through anyway.

His knowledge base was also pretty considerable too;

1. He pretty much knew the entire BoD archives inside out.

2. He had received most of the teachings that the then current Masters could offer via Githany.

3. He had gained most of the knowledge found inside Darth Revan's holocron.

4. He was able to access a jedi holocron.

5. He was able to plunder the tomb of Nadd's holocron, and gain access to his holocron.

Bane > Sidious, and easily the most powerful sith ever.

And yet....
"The most powerful Sith in history."

Bane<Sidious according to the dark Side SOurcebook, Heritage of the Sith and Dark Empire sourcebook.