Originally posted by Allankles
I could read that in the chronicles SW legend, save the Revan appreciation for another time and pick up on my arguments if you have anything to debate me over. Seriously, do you think listing character sheets helps your argument in anyway?I'm not saying Revan isn't powerful, I'm not saying he isn't great - relative to his era and the mythology - I'm saying you tend to overrate the character.
From his cameo in POD to his accomplishments as a Sith before Malak betrayed him. I don't care that you think he's the greatest, address the points you wish to argue against and save me the unnecessarily long character sheet.
What?! I'm arguing over specific issues and you give me a character sheet. How the hell am I supposed to take that as an argument? I know everything that needs to be known about Revan I don't need to read a copy-pasted excerpt from the chronicels on the character.
You call it downplaying, I call it sticking to the debate points and putting accomplishments and feats in perspective; in proportion to the significance of said events and accomplishments in the narrative and their purpose.
Of course given some of the exxagerations I've read on here its hard not to understand why you'd think I'm downplaying Revan's accomplishments - you'd be wrong, I just don't think he's all that you make him out to be. You've certainly exxagerated his status based on neglible back story related compliments.
Let's see more stories related to the character before declaring that he's more than what he's been shown to be in Kotor 1 (where he was certainly powerful but not uber).
Originally posted by AllanklesMalak's weak then I take it.
What?! I'm arguing over specific issues and you give me a character sheet. How the hell am I supposed to take that as an argument? I know everything that needs to be known about Revan I don't need to read a copy-pasted excerpt from the chronicels on the character.You call it downplaying, I call it sticking to the debate points and putting accomplishments and feats in perspective; in proportion to the significance of said events and accomplishments in the narrative and their purpose.
Of course given some of the exxagerations I've read on here its hard not to understand why you'd think I'm downplaying Revan's accomplishments - you'd be wrong, I just don't think he's all that you make him out to be. You've certainly exxagerated his status based on neglible back story related compliments.
Let's see more stories related to the character before declaring that he's more than what he's been shown to be in Kotor 1 (where he was certainly powerful but not uber).
Malak's not weak, in fact relatively speaking - of course - he's quite powerful. I don't rate him that highly and its quite obvious that the whole "nearly unstoppable" description of him in the SF is pure hyperbole as is it unsubstantiated by the game or the kotor narrative. I mean, how the hell do you quantify "nearly unstoppable" and then use that as an estimation for how powerful Revan was, by contrast to Malak?
It's ridiculous that I'm arguing with people about what is clearly hyperbole. Malak is powerful but he's not the most powerful Sith we've seen in the Kotor era.
That's an entirely different argument and could go on in circels, but the thing to remember is that... he was boosted by the star forge (not by his own mastery of the force).
What I'm saying is that I'd rank him below all three of the main TSL Sith Lords. It's almost as if your arguing if Sion could carry around Korriban or Malachor he'd continually feed on the dark side and be all but physically invincible.
If Malak isn't anything to shout about without the Star Forge, what's the deal with ranking him above Sion and especially Kreia who has greater mastery of the force? All three TSL Sith were very powerful and without an artifact to boost their power. Malak in my estimation was less powerful in the dark side than these Sith.
Originally posted by Allankles
That's an entirely different argument and could go on in circels, but the thing to remember is that... he was boosted by the star forge (not by his own mastery of the force).What I'm saying is that I'd rank him below all three of the main TSL Sith Lords. It's almost as if your arguing if Sion could carry around Korriban or Malachor he'd continually feed on the dark side and be all but physically invincible.
If Malak isn't anything to shout about without the Star Forge, what's the deal with ranking him above Sion and especially Kreia who has greater mastery of the force? All three TSL Sith were very powerful and without an artifact to boost their power. Malak in my estimation was less powerful in the dark side than these Sith.
Regarding Sion:
Sion had one thing and that he became immortal. This is the only case in which he is better then Malak. But Malak is greater then Sion in many aspects of the Force including Force Mastery, Saber Skills and Strength.
Regarding Nihilus:
Nihilus is perhaps more powerful then Malak but not in all aspects of the Force. Nihilus is better then Malak in Drain Mastery and TK abilities. But Malak's over-all Force Mastery is greater then that of Nihilus because Malak knows more Dark Side powers and he is also better then Nihilus in Saber Combat. And Malak's Force Lightning capabilities are indeed superior to that of Nihilus.
Regarding Traya:
Traya can be considered to be on-par with or more powerful then Malak. But Malak is greater then Traya in strength and in Saber Combat. And Malak's Force Lightning capabilities are also superior to that of Traya.
Now you were saying?
Well he was still one of the most promising jedi and a prodigy, and when he became a sith, he was still above all the other's, which included Sion, and possibly Nihilus. However, that's all irrelevant, as with the SF backing him up, he was uber. He was basically being powered by an entire species of force sensitives, he was described as near invincible, and he was able to perform such feats like holding two powerful jedi up in the air with the force, and blast one with lightning and throw his lightsaber at the other, all at the same time.