Top 10 force users ( Excludes the Ancienth Sith )

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
1. Darth Revan.
2. Luke Skywalker.
3. Darth Sion.
4. Darth Bane.
5. Darth Nihilus.
6. Darth Traya.
7. The Jedi Exile.
8. Jacen Solo.
9. Kyp Durron.
10. Lord Hoth.

No. Darth Revan may be one of the most powerful, and I don't dispute it. But, LotF Luke is about five leagues or so above him. Plus, you're just listing the cast of KotoR. Luke pwns them. Sidious pwns them. Yoda might. Kyp Durron would.

Tier One:

1. LotF Luke Skywalker
2. DE Emperor Palpatine/Exar Kun
3. DE Emperor Palpatine/Exar Kun

Tier Two:

4. LotF Kyp Durron
5. Ulic Qel Droma
6. Darth Revan/Darth Traya
7. Darth Revan/Darth Traya

Tier Three:

8. Yoda/RotS Palpatine
9. Yoda/RotS Palpatine
10. RotS Anakin Skywalker/LotF Jacen Solo
11. RotS Mace Windu/Count Dooku
12. RotS Mace Windu/Count Dooku
13. Darth Scion/Darth Nihilius
14. LotF Lady Lumiya
15. The Exile

That is more of an accurate list (I keep updating mine - because I leave out specific characters). I can't believe I left out Ulic!!!

Originally posted by Escape81
No. Darth Revan may be one of the most powerful, and I don't dispute it. But, LotF Luke is about five leagues or so above him. Plus, you're just listing the cast of KotoR. Luke pwns them. Sidious pwns them. Yoda might. Kyp Durron would.

Tier One:

1. LotF Luke Skywalker
2. DE Emperor Palpatine/Exar Kun
3. DE Emperor Palpatine/Exar Kun

Tier Two:

4. LotF Kyp Durron
5. Ulic Qel Droma
6. Darth Revan/Darth Traya
7. Darth Revan/Darth Traya

Tier Three:

8. Yoda/RotS Palpatine
9. Yoda/RotS Palpatine
10. RotS Anakin Skywalker/LotF Jacen Solo
11. RotS Mace Windu/Count Dooku
12. RotS Mace Windu/Count Dooku
13. Darth Scion/Darth Nihilius
14. LotF Lady Lumiya
15. The Exile

That is more of an accurate list (I keep updating mine - because I leave out specific characters). I can't believe I left out Ulic!!!

Well KOTOR does tend to overpower their characters. As does the NJO.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Well KOTOR does tend to overpower their characters. As does the NJO.

KotoR really doesn't. See, Darth Revan is a virtual unknown. If you'd like to get technical - we know that he used an ability called "Force Storm". But it's no where on the level of Palpatine's, nor is it even close to being that advanced.

Traya is immensely powerful due to her one-hit-K.O. But that is still an unknown, as she was unable to do it on Nihilius, Scion, or the Exile.

So, I submit to you, that as far as we know now - Revan isn't the most powerful. Neither is Traya. Malak is good, but neither is he.

LotF Luke, DE Palpatine, and Exar Kun are head and shoulders above all KotoR characters.

Right, head and shoulders above people like Revan (who was able to destroy an entire order of dark jedi), Sion (who was physically invincible), Nihilus (who could basically consume the force), and Traya (who could intantkill powerful jedi masters on the spot). Sure thing 👆

And I wasn't denying that Luke is up there at the top, but Kun or Sidious? They are totally weak compared to the best of the best. And KOTOR does overpower their characters. The KOTOR characters are the most godlike characters in the SW saga. Only Bane, Luke and a few others are in the same league as the KOTOR top dogs.

And just so you know, a storm of lightning and the force storm are two totally different techniques.

Right, head and shoulders above people like Revan (who was able to destroy an entire order of dark jedi), Sion (who was physically invincible), Nihilus (who could basically consume the force), and Traya (who could intantkill powerful jedi masters on the spot). Sure thing.

Darth Revan is virtually an unknown. All you have in support of him is gameplay mechanic and second-hand accounts of his supposed power. Not even Traya gave specifics.

Traya's instakill didn't save her from Scion and Nihilius (when she was betrayed). Nor did it save her from The Exile.

And I wasn't denying that Luke is up there at the top, but Kun or Sidious?

Firstly, Luke is the top. He could WTFpwn Revan. He could own Kun and Sidious.

Secondly, Kun and Palpatine have done far more than Revan. Palpatine can conquer entire fleets with a single Force attack. He can transport people across the galaxy. He mastered the Dark Side more than any other. Kun can freeze the Senate. He is a master of dueling. He's a master of Sith Alchemy. His mere spirit could imbue Force-users with immense power. I.e Kyp Durron.

They are leagues above Revan.

They are totally weak compared to the best of the best. And KOTOR does overpower their characters. The KOTOR characters are the most godlike characters in the SW saga. Only Bane, Luke and a few others are in the same league as the KOTOR top dogs.

Yeah, okay. Sure they are.

And just so you know, a storm of lightning and the force storm are two totally different techniques.

Precisely my point. Palpatine's Force Storm is leagues, leagues, leagues above Revan's own. He could pwn Revan.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
We'll just have to agree to disagree.

That's your choice.

A word of advice. When you have an opinion, and you try to pass it off as fact in a debate, try supporting it.

LotF Jacen is a threat to Luke... He's above Kyp at this point. He's also a hell of alot stronger than Anakin.

Originally posted by Generic Hero
LotF Jacen is a threat to Luke... He's above Kyp at this point. He's also a hell of alot stronger than Anakin.

Meh. I put him there simply based off of his duel against the Force-phantom that Lumiya was generating. Other than that, I haven't seen anything that would make me put him on Kyp's level, though I'm sure he has the potential to surpass him.

That phantom was said to be a match for Luke, was it not ?

It's kinda strange though. With Anakin gone, Kyp had (firmly) the most potential of the NJO. Yet Betrayal makes Jacen seem like a badass.

Originally posted by Generic Hero
That phantom was said to be a match for Luke, was it not ?

It's kinda strange though. With Anakin gone, Kyp had (firmly) the most potential of the NJO. Yet Betrayal makes Jacen seem like a badass.

That's my point. Several inconsistencies. And Jacen didn't have a real helluva time with the Phantom, which makes me wonder if he's not already being portrayed as a match for Luke.

My revised list:

1. Exar Kun
2. The (my) Exile/ Darth Nihilus
3. Luke Skywalker
4. Pre suit Darth Vader
5. Jacen
6. Yoda/ Kyp/ Sidious
7. Mace Windu
8.Darth Revan
9. Count Dooku
10. Kyle Katarn

lmao 😆

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
My revised list:

1. Exar Kun
2. The (my) Exile/ Darth Nihilus
3. Luke Skywalker
4. Pre suit Darth Vader
5. Jacen
6. Yoda/ Kyp/ Sidious
7. Mace Windu
8.Darth Revan
9. Count Dooku
10. Kyle Katarn

Well, the problem is that "The Exile" you created isn't the valid canon one.

Exar Kun is at second place, with Luke topping the list.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
lmao 😆

It really isn't. All these lists are a matter of opinion, yet your list is totally flawed.

For instance, you can't just include your own version of The Exile. That's just silly.

And I certainly don't have a problem with you including the PT jedi in your list; as I said, it's a matter of opinion but the fact that you put Anakin above the likes of Sidious when it is not only plain obvious and common sense that he is weaker then the two, but has also been proven and established and even confirmed by Lucas is just plain stupid.

And the fact that you have failed to include force users like Sion, Bane or Traya shows that you are just plain ignorant.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
It really isn't. All these lists are a matter of opinion, yet your list is totally flawed.

For instance, you can't just include your own version of The Exile. That's just silly.

And I certainly don't have a problem with you including the PT jedi in your list; as I said, it's a matter of opinion but the fact that you put Anakin above the likes of Sidious when it is not only plain obvious and common sense that he is weaker then the two, but has also been proven and established and even confirmed by Lucas is just plain stupid.

And the fact that you have failed to include force users like Sion, Bane or Traya shows that you are just plain ignorant.

I don't believe you, Mr. Revan-Despite-Being-A-Virtual-Unknown-Owns-All, have the authority or the weight behind your words to dictate who is ignorant and who is not.

Though, I do have to say, Blue Hefner there are some fatal laws to your lists. Your Exile isn't the established canon one, therefore, he cannot be ranked. LotF Luke Skywalker is undeniably the most powerful Force user we have seen, with Exar Kun and Emperor Palpatine coming in as close seconds.

Well I know I was slightly rude, but you understand where I'm coming from right?

fine then.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Exar Kun
3. DE Sidious
4. Darth Nihilus
5. Yoda
6. Obi Wan/ Jacen
7. Mace Windu/Kyp
8. Darth Revan
9. Vader
10. Kyle Katarn

Any problems with this one?

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
fine then.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Exar Kun
3. DE Sidious
4. Darth Nihilus
5. Yoda
6. Obi Wan/ Jacen
7. Mace Windu/Kyp
8. Darth Revan
9. Vader
10. Kyle Katarn

Any problems with this one?

A lot of it is just opinion. Except for specifics, like Luke topping the list. His achievements blow all the others to hell and back. Kun and Palpatine are firm number twos or threes, simply because of their considerable achievements as well.

Nihilius....... is hard. I suppose he'd be up there, too. Especially if his drain works on "everybody".

And, even though GM Nebaris is - in my opinion - a biased idiot, I'd still put Revan above most, if not all, PT characters.