Why can't hulk beat superman

Originally posted by mighty adam
superman only go's 90 speed of light. thats fast but not flash speed and if you say superman can hang with flash when it comes to speed then you are really stupid. when zoom and flash was fighting superman even said he couldn't even see them thats how fast the flash can really move.

In space, Superman is beyond light speed.

If the fight started in a city as a toe to toe brawl, Supes would realize fast that the angrier the Hulk got = Hulk with increasing strength, endurance, etc. Supes then would lure him to an open, unpopulated area to resume the fight where he could use all his speed and flight more effectively. I think he probably figures out just to let Hulk calm down and may avoid a fight all together. Brains beats brawn.

Originally posted by badabing
If the fight started in a city as a toe to toe brawl, Supes would realize fast that the angrier the Hulk got = Hulk with increasing strength, endurance, etc. Supes then would lure him to an open, unpopulated area to resume the fight where he could use all his speed and flight more effectively. I think he probably figures out just to let Hulk calm down and may avoid a fight all together. Brains beats brawn.

Yeah I mean Superman isn't some dumbass that would just stand toe to toe with someone who kept getting stronger the angrier he gets. He knows all the variety of power he has at his display and would use them effectively. Hulk goes down HARD.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah I mean Superman isn't some dumbass that would just stand toe to toe with someone who kept getting stronger the angrier he gets. He knows all the variety of power he has at his display and would use them effectively. Hulk goes down HARD.

because superman can kill hulk quickly from his base level considering his speed and own base strength. Give hulk time to get uberly pissed off enough to make him move comparably fast and as strong and you have a match.

Originally posted by leonidas
thing is, supes is arguably as strong/stronger than hulk (unless hulk goes REALLY REALLY INSANELY nuts), MORE invulnerable AND way WAY faster with a vast array of powers to use against him.

hulk's only chance is if supes stands toe-to-toe and even that is not a SURE win. if supes uses all his powers, hulk simply cannot win. he's got a better chance, oddly enough imo, against doomsday.

Look, I'm unbiased(I am not a fan of Hulk and I hate Superman) and I STILL think Supes beats the hell out of Hulk.

Even savage, ultra pissed, WHATEVER. Superman is more than strong. He is fast enough to dodge anything the Hulk throws at him, AND he can fly if he needs to recuperate.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Can someone just explain to me why?

Here's a simple analogy:

You have 2 people with the following traits:

Adam:
- A very intelligent person in BIOLOGY.
- The more he studies biology the more intelligent he gets in biology.
- He can study biology to the extent that he moves from being 'very intelligent' to becoming a veritable GENIUS in bio.

Eve:
- A GENIUS in biology.
- A genius in physics.
- A genius in chemistry.
- A genius in mathematics
- A genius in engineering
- A genius in philosophy
- A genius in history
- A genius in geography
- A genius in civics
- A genius in commerce and fiscal strategy.

Alright, that is the set up.

Assumptions:
i) Assume that the two will be facing off against each other in an all out knowledge competition ....a form of 'genius-exam' that mixes aspects and facets from the SAT, the GMAT, the GRE, the MCAT, the LCAT ....everything ....even TOEFL is thrown in the mix.
ii) To make things better for Adam, assume that he is given enough time to study as much BIOLOGY as he wants, thus moving from VERY INTELLIGENT IN BIOLOGY to being a GENIUS IN BIOLOGY. However since Adam is only great in bio he is sorely lacking in all the other subjects/loci.

Now, the super-examination is handed out.

Results:
The conclusion is simple .....Eve will literally wipe the floor with Adam! Why? Because Adam is only a threat when it comes to one area (in other words he is UNI-dimensional), while Eve is a threat in myriad areas (in essence, she is OMNI-dimensional).
Even if Adam is allowed to reach genius level he will still lose the exam battle .....because he has no answer for Eve's genius profeciency in the other subject areas.

Adjustment:
The above issue (crisis for Adam) is so profound that an adjustment could be made and STILL lead to Adam failing.
For instance Adam is at genius level now in biology.
However let's say the test administrator decides to GIVE HIM THE ANSWERS TO THE BIOLOGY PART of the exam. What happens?

Same thing .....Eve wipes the floor with him! Why? Because even if Adam got 100% correct in bio, he would still be deficient in every othe r subject area.

Inferences:
This is pertinent to the Hulk/Superman situation as follows.
The Hulk is uni-dimensional ....his major ability is his strength (he also has a healing factor, green skin pigmentation, green hair pigmentation, green nails, the ability to see ghosts, and the ability to locate where he first turned into the Hulk through instinct ....but his major, and viable, strength is literally that: his strength).
However take Superman .....he starts at a higher strength level than the Hulk (although, theoretically, the Hulk can reach Superman levels ...i.e. from 'very intelligent' to 'genius' with a 'cheat sheet'😉 BUT healso has other advantages (both offensive, like heat vision, arctic breath, super breath; and perceptive, like his sensory strengths such as his various 'visions,' superhearing etc where he can know someone is approaching simply by hearing them half a world away).
Then there are other physical strengths, such as the ability to fly PLUS prodigious speed (which approaches the speed of light, and in some cases exceeds it).
Superman just simply has too much variety and scope for the Hulk.

As Cosmic Cube once said, the two are not in the same level.

p.s: The only reason the Hulk and Superman are put in the same level is because they are, arguably, the 'flagship powerhouses' for Marvel and DC respectively (there are stronger people than both, but they are the flagship powerhouses). Apart from that the Hulk is simply not in the same level as Superman.....in the same way that Adam is not fit to stand before Eve.

Originally posted by mighty adam
superman only go's 90 speed of light. thats fast but not flash speed and if you say superman can hang with flash when it comes to speed then you are really stupid. when zoom and flash was fighting superman even said he couldn't even see them thats how fast the flash can really move.

He could be 1% lightspeed. More than fast enough to curbstomp Hulk.

LOL

you made a post like that in the Hulk vs Superman thread spetz that was also funny

good show!

People really need to stop this Superman vs. Shenanigans. becasue SUpes is a very badly written character. i can't even say i dislike supes, because at one point an time i liked him, but i hate his writers. They created a character that at anytime can surpass his "limits" on the cop out notion that he was holding back. There's no point to superman, there really isn't. There's nothing he can explore, nothing to relate to. All DC can do is just create these out of the blue villains with impossibel strength then when superman fights them its like, "ohh he reached down deep, oh he took a dip and the sun and went super sayjian 1,000,000. It's the same concept with superman everytime, he's become impossibly formulaic. You can't put Superman up against any other than abstract cosmic beings. Superman is a walking plot device and is not a character worth debating because he keeps a cop out in his wallet right next to his american express card.

Read the current Superman arc in Superman and Action along with All Star. Good stuff that doesn't involve Clark punching his problems away. I'm not a fan of that Superman either but written well, he's great. I refer to the punch his problems away Superman as Loeb's "Powerman". 🙂

If Superman was well written then he'd be great. This is true because i'll take the opposite stance he's this all powerful being and he's just trying to fit in with regualr everyday people. Thats the interesting things with Clark. then you have this all powerful being who struggles with his god complex. And argues with himself daily, "why shouldn't i just take over the world?" There are some people in the DC verse that I liek Bats (though he's gettint o that Superman level), the question, and green arrow. these are superheros that can be related too. I'm not saying make superman liek these charcters, but give this dude some more depth. Put him in a fight where his super powers are a disadvantage, or make him refelct on who he is. Put him in a situation where he is at odds with a majority of the hero's. Supes has a lot of potential, wow i type a lot. but DC doesn't explore it.

Originally posted by mighty adam
superman only go's 90 speed of light. thats fast but not flash speed and if you say superman can hang with flash when it comes to speed then you are really stupid. when zoom and flash was fighting superman even said he couldn't even see them thats how fast the flash can really move.

Did you do the math?

Then you should now that Flash moved at hundreds of times the speed of light. even upwards of thousands.

And guess what? You're that Guy who accused me of being a DC fanboy for being well informed and using logic to form my opinions. As opposed to you who just prevoed once again to not know what the hell you're talking about.

Originally posted by mighty adam
why we getting up tight about comics. lol

Originally posted by Dynamic One
If Superman was well written then he'd be great. This is true because i'll take the opposite stance he's this all powerful being and he's just trying to fit in with regualr everyday people. Thats the interesting things with Clark. then you have this all powerful being who struggles with his god complex. And argues with himself daily, "why shouldn't i just take over the world?" There are some people in the DC verse that I liek Bats (though he's gettint o that Superman level), the question, and green arrow. these are superheros that can be related too. I'm not saying make superman liek these charcters, but give this dude some more depth. Put him in a fight where his super powers are a disadvantage, or make him refelct on who he is. Put him in a situation where he is at odds with a majority of the hero's. Supes has a lot of potential, wow i type a lot. but DC doesn't explore it.

All-Star is just plain old, silver age style fun. #3 is one of my favorite single issues in awhile.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I don't see what's stopping hulk from getting angry to the point where he just knocks supes.

Not to say crossovers are the be-and-end all, but Hulk has had at least three cracks at Superman over the decades. For all the claims that no one can stand toe-to-toe with an enraged Hulk, Superman has successfully outbrawled and outpunched him each time.
And stop with the Doomsday comparisons. DD has regenerative twists to his body that Hulk doesn't have.
Writers will use whatever PIS or CIS they feel like to entertain a reader, anyway. One issue, Hulk gets knocked out by Namor or Titanus; another, a whole team of Avengers can't stop him.
Hulk can be a tough match for many characters, but Superman's versatility puts him a class above.

Originally posted by Validus
I'm telling you, you'd love the current arc running in the Super books. He's powerless so it's just Clark Kent dealing with a lot of stuff and figuring out how to help the world without powers. Very good writing.

All-Star is just plain old, silver age style fun. #3 is one of my favorite single issues in awhile.

Did you read the latest issue of the Up Up and Away series?
I think Clark will deny you-know-who. And if he doesn't, that'd be insane.

Originally posted by Validus
I'm telling you, you'd love the current arc running in the Super books. He's powerless so it's just Clark Kent dealing with a lot of stuff and figuring out how to help the world without powers. Very good writing.

All-Star is just plain old, silver age style fun. #3 is one of my favorite single issues in awhile.

all star is amazing

i didnt know 3 was out yet 🙂

hurray!!

Superman should beat the Hulk practically every time, but the super-speed argument is getting tiring. The instances of Superman showing Flash-level speed are very rare. Yes, he has some high-level speed feats, but these could be considered as out-of-character as him not having any super-speed at all.

Superman doesn't even move Mach speed in combat (usually), let alone light-speed. Neither does Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel. Their really high speed showings seem just as stupid to me as writers ignoring their super-speed. If we went by some sort of average, how fast are any of them in combat? 100 mph?