Why can't hulk beat superman

Originally posted by JohnR
Superman should beat the Hulk practically every time, but the super-speed argument is getting tiring. The instances of Superman showing Flash-level speed are very rare. Yes, he has some high-level speed feats, but these could be considered as out-of-character as him not having any super-speed at all.

Superman doesn't even move Mach speed in combat (usually), let alone light-speed. Neither does Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel. Their really high speed showings seem just as stupid to me as writers ignoring their super-speed. If we went by some sort of average, how fast are any of them in combat? 100 mph?

I think there's a difference between "speed blitz" speed and combat speed. Could Superman speed blitz the Hulk? Sure, but then what? Just how fast does Superman usually move in combat?

Superman seems quick, but not one-million-punches-in-a-second quick. Superman's speed should give him an edge in combat, but not an automatic win.

I don't doubt that Superman can move faster than Spider-Man, but how often does he dodge blows as well? Just how fast is Superman if he really uses his super-speed in combat? I could buy thousands of miles per hour since he can move much faster than a bullet, but that should be his limit barring plot devices.

Sure, but usually when we are considering matches we don't think how would they be written in comics, but how would it really turn out if they gave everything they've got.

Hm?

Or

Dodges Mongul until he's completely winded?

Another part of that same fight ^

I dislike Supes like hell, but still I say he wins easily. Of course it wouldn't be wise for Superman to fight toe-to-toe, but he isn't stupid enough to do that. He could speedblitz, fry him and whole lot of other stuff. There's no way Hulk pulls out victories if Supes doesn't let him do so.

Originally posted by JohnR
I think there's a difference between "speed blitz" speed and combat speed. Could Superman speed blitz the Hulk? Sure, but then what? Just how fast does Superman usually move in combat?

Check the scans Juntai posted.

With Superman's speed advantage alone, the Hulk wouldn't even be able to TOUCH him. Superman could dodge the blows, swarm all over the Hulk, or simply vibrate too fast for the Hulk's blows to strike solid matter!

Superman's speed should give him an edge in combat, but not an automatic win.

Actually it does come as close as one can to an automatic win ......unless the character he is matched up against is a) As Fast b) (even better) Faster c) Omnipresent (like Ion, in which case speed doesn't matter much since he is literally 'everywhere'😉, or d) has some exotic ability that negates the speed advantage (eg speed wouldn't work against the Spectre for instance).

The Hulk has none of the above (since what he is, when distilled, is a green-hued brawler with enormous strength), and thus in such a case the speed levels of Superman make it essentially an automatic win.

I don't doubt that Superman can move faster than Spider-Man, but how often does he dodge blows as well? Just how fast is Superman if he really uses his super-speed in combat? I could buy thousands of miles per hour since he can move much faster than a bullet, but that should be his limit barring plot devices.

Again check the scans above.

As for speed I have other scans that show his speed capabilities (including one where he breaks the speed of light).
BTW, you seem to have a problem with the top speed of Superman. Do you have the same problem with the Silver Surfer being able to go at a 'many times the speed of light,' or is that alright?

Originally posted by Tshern
I dislike Supes like hell, but still I say he wins easily. Of course it wouldn't be wise for Superman to fight toe-to-toe, but he isn't stupid enough to do that. He could speedblitz, fry him and whole lot of other stuff. There's no way Hulk pulls out victories if Supes doesn't let him do so.

Even if they fought toe to toe Supes would still win. His superior speed, equal strength and physical durabilty is enough for him to walk away from this fight the winner.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm loving all star Superman as well. I always find it being among my favorite books each time it drops.

Did you read the latest issue of the Up Up and Away series?
I think Clark will deny you-know-who. And if he doesn't, that'd be insane.

Originally posted by spetznaz
BTW, you seem to have a problem with the top speed of Superman. Do you have the same problem with the Silver Surfer being able to go at a 'many times the speed of light,' or is that alright?

Not as travel speed. If the Silver Surfer starts punching people thousands of times per second, it'll seem even more inconsistent than for Supes.

I guess we'll have to chalk up Superman's battles against Darkseid as proving that Darkseid has Flash-level speed.

Even if they fought toe to toe Supes would still win. His superior speed, equal strength and physical durabilty is enough for him to walk away from this fight the winner.

I belive that if they fought toe-to-toe Hulk would win. His physical strength is still greater than Supes.

Originally posted by samishe
I belive that if they fought toe-to-toe Hulk would win. His physical strength is still greater than Supes.

agreed.

But Supes has a definite advantage in endurance.

Originally posted by samishe
I belive that if they fought toe-to-toe Hulk would win. His physical strength is still greater than Supes.

Originally posted by Validus
It can be. His base level is a good deal below Supes.

True, but the longer they fight, the stronger Hulk would become.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Can someone just explain to me why?

becuase superman has said on a few occasions that even when he is figting his bitterst enemies he's still only using a fraction of his power.. cuz he's afraid that his unfettered rage would destroy the Earth...
look at his death matc h with Doomsday, the whole time he was just trying to restrain him or get him away from innocents, he wasnt blood lusted or anything and doomday went down regarldless

it makes sense to me that he is holding back cuz look at what happened when luthor was controlling Kon-el...he was owning the shit outta every body like a real top tier super duper strong guy. even casually swatting away the like of starfire, and cyborg like they were nothing...and he's only about 40 or 45% of supes full potential(could be cuz he's still a teenager)

so i believe that superman's strentgh far out strips hulk, but thats just me....i dont know how mad one can get or how much of an adrenaline surge one can experice but hulk would have to be really really really amped to match superman's full potential..strentgh coupled with speed and versailty...vision powers.... hurricane breath 😄 sonic clap(which hulk has too) and a wwhole gambit of other shit, hulk is going down.....no matter what incarnation......well maybe warhlk with his energy manipulation sword tingies could find the right frequency of radiation to disable him, but thats about it as far as i see it