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Except nobody knows the timeframe between the first and second fight with Vodo.

About six months (between DLotS and TSW), plus an indeterminant (but short) amount of time.

Except stalemating Kun before he developed his special stuff doesn't put him above Yoda

Except even at this point, Kun would've murdered Yoda.

Except that Yoda was the best during his 900 years.

Except an irrelevant misdirection, I'm talking Yoda at his prime.

Yoda defeated two dark Jedi on Dagobah without a lightsaber, does that make him uber?

Uh, he beat one, and the Dark Jedi didn't have a lightsaber either. And it took days.

Ulic can wipe his ass with Yoda. Irrelevant misdirections can't save him.

Right, in your opinion. You have yet to construct a logical argument why Ulic is anywhere above Yoda, you keep repeating and repeating things that don't put him above Yoda. Oh and Kun being able to destroy Yoda before he came up with his style is pure speculation. He couldn't even defeat Vodo until he developed the new style/blade.

You have yet to construct a logical argument why Ulic is anywhere above Yoda, you keep repeating and repeating things that don't put him above Yoda.

You're not the arbiter of proof. Ulic's saber abilities are leagues above Yoda as demonstrated in his holding his own against a Jedi while blind to the Force.

You insisting "Waah! That doesn't make him better than Yoda!" means jack shit to me.

Oh and Kun being able to destroy Yoda before he came up with his style is pure speculation. He couldn't even defeat Vodo until he developed the new style/blade.

No, it's a reasoned conclusion.

Oh, and you committed a logical fallacy: post hoc, ergo propter hoc

"After this, therefore because of this." Because event A happens before event B, event A is believed to cause event B.

Logical fallacy.

If you multiply X times Y devided by the square root of aslice of pie, minus the three ad the eight, and you get the most sensible answer.

Mace.Windu.Would.Win.

Ulic's saber abilities are leagues above Yoda as demonstrated in his holding his own against a Jedi while blind to the Force..
That's nice, not an argument but your opinion. And I'm glad my "opinion" doesn't mean jack shit to me, doesn't mean your opinion is considered a logical argument either.. Don't get so angry and try again.

I'm not going to argue with you and your precious TOTJ character just keep your biased opinion and speculation separate from your "logical arguments".

You're not worth responding to. I've already elaborated upon this argument and you ignored it and kept spouting the same nonsense.

Oh, and you committed:

Begging the question

Appeal to ridicule

Non sequitur

That's cool, and you seem to fail to understand that the facts you've provided do not put Ulic above Yoda despite what you might believe. And since you like to point out logical fallacies so much i'll point out that your opinions and speculations that you call "logical arguments", aren't part of the debate.. Continue with the terminology.

Oh yea, show me where I committed "Appeal to ridicule". Just because youre saying it doesn't make it so.

Frankly I'm having a hard time believing you got into an institution of higher learning when you don't seem to understand the difference between an opinion and a reasoned argument.

Oh yea, show me where I committed "Appeal to ridicule"

Don't get so angry and try again.

I'm not going to argue with you and your precious TOTJ character just keep your biased opinion and speculation separate from your "logical arguments".

Why is Kun still being argued about? We're moving on past him...

Originally posted by IKC
Frankly I'm having a hard time believing you got into an institution of higher learning when you don't seem to understand the difference between an opinion and a reasoned argument.

You've committed Argumentum ad hominem. Thank you for playing.

Blaxican he's not, we're arguing about Ulic and Yoda. IKC over here seems to think Ulic is superior to Yoda because he was a "saber prodigy" and he fought a weak jedi without the force.

A refresher:

"Use of personal attacks and insults to discredit or weaken an opponent's argument."

It would be a logical fallacy if you were making an argument in the first place. You don't seem to have one.

And we're arguing Ulic, not Kun. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Originally posted by IKC
A refresher:

"Use of personal attacks and insults to discredit or weaken an opponent's argument."

It would be a logical fallacy if you were making an argument in the first place. You don't seem to have one.

And we're arguing Ulic, not Kun. Reading comprehension is your friend.

But I was making an argument. My argument was that your logical and "reasoned" arguments don't put Ulic above Yoda. You saying Ulic would own Yoda is purely speculation. Let's not even get into the part where Ulic being cut from the force doesn't have any bearing on his force mastery, and lets not forget he was never even said to have mastered the force. I won't argue with a saber duel because it could go either way but Yoda has the force mastery. In case you didn't get all that, how is Ulic's ability to fight without the force going to help him?

Originally posted by thetruepower
Rayvann and TDTD never said that I was annoying them. And Nai hasen't posted in this thread since I started posting. So it's you, Woot, Wanker and IKC. Yet I haven't pissed off Rayvann, Traya, TDTD, Avis and Shalashaska. I guess you're in the minority prick.

For the record. Let it be said that you are really beinning to piss me off.

At first I tried to be understanding... seeing as you were only 10... but really your an ass.

I don't need reading comprehension to tell when you to are going at it. Any idiot, even one of my magnitude, can tell.

It's good for the forums🙂 I'm waiting on your rebuttal IKC.

But I was making an argument.

Your "argument" consists of repeatedly saying that my argument doesn't prove anything. You say this on the basis of no evidence or reasoning whatsoever.

My argument was that your logical and "reasoned" arguments don't put Ulic above Yoda

You're not the arbiter of proof. Refusal to accept only indicates thick-headedness on your part, not any flaw of mine.

You saying Ulic would own Yoda is purely speculation.

And you're not the arbiter of proof, nor are you the judge of what is speculation and what is not. My conclusion is based on evidence and logical reasoning. Your position seems to be based on a stubborn unwillingness to concede a point despite the painful void of any evidence or reasoning for your side.

Let's not even get into the part where Ulic being cut from the force doesn't have any bearing on his force mastery, and lets not forget he was never even said to have mastered the force.

His Force mastery seemed to be sufficient enough to allow him to finally return to the Force and become a Jedi ghost at the end of his life. I'd say it's more than sufficient.

I won't argue with a saber duel because it could go either way but Yoda has the force mastery.

Based on what evidence or reasoning does Yoda have the Force mastery?

How could a saber duel go either way?

How does "having Force mastery" help Yoda at all when Yoda doesn't use the Force to attack, anyway?

In case you didn't get all that, how is Ulic's ability to fight without the force going to help him?

Because if he can hold his own without the Force against a Force-wielding opponent, he'd be exponentially better with access to the Force.

Ok since you like telling me i'm not the arbiter of proof, lets point out speculation in your "logic". And just because someone doesn't agree doesn't make them thick headed. Stop with the personal attacks, they aren't helping your "argument".

Speculation: Because if he can hold his own without the Force against a Force-wielding opponent, he'd be exponentially better with access to the Force.
^hmmm which logical fallacy is that? Because A... Nevermind I'm sure you know it..Next

His Force mastery seemed to be sufficient enough to allow him to finally return to the Force and become a Jedi ghost at the end of his life. I'd say it's more than sufficient.
^Sufficient to whom or what? You saw all the PT and OT characters do it, what's your point, how is that a testament of Ulic's force mastery? Next.
Your "argument" consists of repeatedly saying that my argument doesn't prove anything. You say this on the basis of no evidence or reasoning whatsoever.
^Just because you say it doesn't make it so. You repeatedly claim your argument proves something and I claim it doesn't.. Your only response to this is "Youre wrong" or "Youre thickheaded". Kinky..

And you're not the arbiter of proof, nor are you the judge of what is speculation and what is not. My conclusion is based on evidence and logical reasoning. Your position seems to be based on a stubborn unwillingness to concede a point despite the painful void of any evidence or reasoning for your side.

Your conclusion is based on your opinion, and not a logical argument. Just because you call it a logical argument doesn't make it so.

True this wouldn't be a forum without debators. Well my lazy meter is to the max. G'night.

I don't even bother to quote people properly anymore, I don't care.