Yoda is directly stated to be a user of battle meditation in the Essential Chronology / Republic comics or the ROTS novel. At least - seeing tha basically everbody on the Council is able to use it I don't see Yoda being the only one not being able to do so.
Provide direct quotes including page numbers. I can already tell you that it's not in the ROTS novel.
And where is it stated that everyone else on the Council can use it?
For the illusions: I guess if barely trained Nomi Sunrider can recognize them the 900 year old Grandmaster of the Jedi order who had a library filled with knowledge (including Sith holocrons) should be able to do the same thing.
"Barely trained" Nomi Sunrider was a prodigy of the practice and had access to far more valuable knowledge than Yoda could ever dream of.
Oh, and the PT Jedi only had one Sith holocron, which they couldn't even access.
a) Ulic stalemated Kun:
We don't know how that battle would have went if it wouldn't have been interrupted by Ragnos. If anything I guess Kun would have won since he got the title of the Dark Lord meaning that in this time he was the strongest.
"Both Jedi are master swordsmen-- Neither can claim an advantage with the lightsaber!"
That's the direct narrator quote. While I believe Kun would eventually have won (because of his greater skill in the Force, for instance) this certainly speaks well for Ulic's skill at this point.
b) Kun could have defeated Vodo at that point already:
This is an assumption. We know that he couldn't have done that using his normal weapon right before as Vodo disarmed him and Kun needed 2 weapons to break Vodo's staff. Why should he be able to "curpstomb" Vodo at this point ? He couldn't even curbstomp Ulic.
I said Kun could have defeated Yoda at this point. Martial time periods tend to make for better warriors, and Kun was no slouch even before he created his unique weapon.
c) Vodo is compareable / superior to Vodo:
And the next assumption. They both basically lived in an equally peaceful time period with the little exception that Yoda has 300 years of additional experience compared to Vodo and unlike the TOTJ era Jedi was trained from infancy on. If anything Yoda is superior to Vodo
What a crock of shit.
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And now IKC turns that into:That is based on so many unknowns (Ulic's strength compared to Exar, Vodo's compared to Yoda's) that I wouldn't call that "valid argument".
Strawman argument is a logical fallacy. I also brought up Ulic's ability to hold his own in lightsaber combat even without the Force. With the Force, he is even better.
Learn to read my posts before trying to strawman me again.
On the same level I could say "because Ulic has never shown any considerable force powers Yoda would curbstomp him without even using his lightsaber". That doesn't work.
Except Yoda, as a Jedi, doesn't use the Force to attack.
I'd like to see how Ulic is going to hit the green muppet who was stated in Shadowhunter to be able to dodge lightsaber attacks from Depa Billaba (Vaapad Master nearly on Mace's level) + Saesee Tiin + another Jedi "effortless" and it seems as if he had moved less than a metre. This being done without using his lightsaber.
I'd like to see how Yoda's going to beat a man who was able to hold off (in lightsaber combat) a Jedi tapping into the Dark Side while blind to the Force.
Sorry, no.
Krath are probably going to win. They're good melee fighters, their war droids are formidable, and Ulic's a good commander. Aleema's illusions, when used on the primitive and superstitious wookies, will be the clincher.
IKC stop using your own opinion and then calling someone elses strawman. That makes you a hypocrite, especially since Nai effectively countered your argument, it's not strawman just because you choose to ignore it.
I'd like to see how Yoda's going to beat a man who was able to hold off (in lightsaber combat) a Jedi tapping into the Dark Side while blind to the Force.
^not only is that pure speculation which is already a logical fallacy, but it's not even an accurate statement. Because Ulic stalemated someone blind to the force, it means Yoda can't beat him? Wow. I don't even know how to break that one down. Because Ulic was able to hold off a weak Jedi in saber combat without the force, he can take down the best duelist in the PT era and perhaps in the 900 years he was alive? Its such a ridiculous statement I don't know how to counter it. Let's try. I'd like to see this 'lightsaber prodigy' who has never shown to have the force mastery that Yoda has shown, take down Yoda. But of course he's superior because he fought someone while being blind to the force.. That's NOT an illogical argument, right...
I think it's fair we get back on topic since some people have a hard time differentiating between opinion and debate.
And you're going to quantify his power with the force as opposed to without the force how? And this puts him above Yoda how? IKC has not answered any of these questions, and just repeated his 'argument', which I won't bother to critisize since I'm not the "arbiter of proof".
I think it's time to get back on topic before we piss off Janus. Someone has yet to answer my question about Aleema having the ability to create illusions on the scale of Sadow.
"I said Kun could have defeated Yoda at this point. Martial time periods tend to make for better warriors, and Kun was no slouch even before he created his unique weapon."
And Kun's era was a martial era? KOTOR was a martial period. The Jedi Versus Sith era was a martial period. Kun's sith war was a short war that followed a relative peaceful time. And it is any sort of conflict that makes far better warriors. You seem to think that it is only jedi versus sith conflict that brings out the best in warriors. The clone wars brought out the best in jedi just as much as Kun's sith war did with jedi.
"Except Yoda, as a Jedi, doesn't use the Force to attack."
What do you call him force pushing Sidious then?
Alright, enough of this. We're eighteen pages into this game and 85% of it is disagreements on PERSONAL capability. Focus on the strategies, environments, armies, and the abilities and intellect of their commanderes. Ulic and Yoda are not going to be on the frontlines, hacking and killing everything in sight. That's not how smart generals wage campaigns.
Now get on topic or I'll finish this thread prematurely. This is ridiculous.
Fair enough. Two thousand troops per army. 15% of the wookiee forces are using scavaneged artillery pieces- small mortars and the like. The bulk of the forces - 75%, are straight infantry, using bowcasters, carbines, and personal vibroblades for close combat. The remaining 10% operate as shock forces using heavy battle armor and repeating weapons like the E-11.
Krath forces are split, 25% war droids, 65% regular infantry, and 5% are operating artillery pieces.
Because of the restrictions of jungle combat, we assume that tanks and beasts are rendered useless and thus, not a factor.
Originally posted by IKC
"Barely trained" Nomi Sunrider was a prodigy of the practice and had access to far more valuable knowledge than Yoda could ever dream of.
Wow. She had access to knowledge and apparently never used that access. Then "more valuable knowledge" ? You have data from the age of the start of the Jedi Order on in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and the Jedi Archieves also basically remained intact from that time on. So where was the "more valueable knowledge" lost ? Ossus ? You want to tell me that virtually every knowledge stored on Ossus was lost by destroying Ossus - then nobody did ever learned that knowledge or passed it on ? Argumentum ad absurdum.
Oh, and the PT Jedi only had one Sith holocron, which they couldn't even access.
Ah...that's why the Brotherhood of Darkness was founded by a Rogue Jedi that stole "one of the Sith holocrons" from the Jedi temple. Because they did only have one ?
"Both Jedi are master swordsmen-- Neither can claim an advantage with the lightsaber!"That's the direct narrator quote. While I believe Kun would eventually have won (because of his greater skill in the Force, for instance) this certainly speaks well for Ulic's skill at this point.
I could swear that I did basically post the same.
I said Kun could have defeated Yoda at this point. Martial time periods tend to make for better warriors, and Kun was no slouch even before he created his unique weapon.
Yes. And this is an assumption which can only be based on the assumptions that:
a) Vodo was > or = Yoda
b) Kun could defeat Vodo at that time
And what "martial time" are you talking about ? The only "Sith" that has shown up in 1000 years before TOTJ was Nadd. And the only conflict we see is a six months war with some few battles. Sorry...but virtually every "major" PT Jedi has more combat and lightsaber vs lightsaber experience than the people appearing in TOTJ.
What a crock of shit.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t392447.html
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Nice bunch of wrong premises in your first post (see above). Boring. Next.
Strawman argument is a logical fallacy. I also brought up Ulic's ability to hold his own in lightsaber combat even without the Force. With the Force, he is even better.Learn to read my posts before trying to strawman me again.
Yes. He was a master swordsmen - even before starting his Jedi training. What makes you think he's essentially much weaker as a duellist because he didn't have his force connection any longer ? There are some people who are able to give Jedi trouble in melee combat without being force users (e.g. Echani and Mandalorians). Being able to defeat a Jedi (with unknown duelling skill) in a lightsaber duel who doesn't use his force powers against you doesn't make you the lightsaber god.
Except Yoda, as a Jedi, doesn't use the Force to attack.
He doesn't ? What do you call throwing a lightsaber through a clones chest, knocking Sidious guards off, force push Sidious across the room, throw a pod at him, redirect Dooku's force lightning at Dooku then ? No attacks ? Please...
I'd like to see how Yoda's going to beat a man who was able to hold off (in lightsaber combat) a Jedi tapping into the Dark Side while blind to the Force.
Oh yes. The badass Jedi tapping into the Dark Side who obviously wasn't intelligent enough to crush Ulic with the force (since he couldn't defend against it) but instead went to challenge one of the top duellists of the era with a lightsaber. Very impressive.
So you again have a situation in which both opponents can gain an advantage via lightsaber combat but one (Yoda) is the superior force user. Who will win ? And if you advice people to read your posts properly please do the same. I did write "a group of Wookies with one of them carrying Yoda on his back" and not "Yoda will pwn Aleema and Ulic alone".
Back to the original topic:
Janus...I think you forgot 5 % of the Krath forces (65+25+5 = 95).
Even with the given numbers the wookies would still take it due to their advantages in jungle combat and superior technology.