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Does that mean he's going to force push him into the wall with difficulty? And how does Ulic go about "preparing" for this force push?

Probably the same way that Obi-Wan countered Anakin's force push, tdtd.

- Rise of Darth Vader, Legacy of the Jedi, Republic #63 (all show multiple Sith holocrons in the Jedi temple)

And are contradicted by the EP2 Vis dictionary. Give me full quotes, page numbers, or scans.

- Dark Forces novels (+ play the games): Katarn removes Jerecs force connection and does the same thing to himself after MotS

No, bullshit. He cuts Jerec in half and after MotS simply stops using the Force, thereby growing "out of practice." This is made very clear in JO as well.

- my posts (when I ask for Battles between Jedi and Sith in the period between 5,000 and 4,000 BBY I don't wan't fights against droids, acts of self-destruction by Dark Jedi or battles happening in 3,997 BBY between Mandalorians and Basilisk people + Republic reinforcements)

You aren't going to define my points for me. TOTJ is a martial time. Illustrious summed it up:

Originally posted by Illustrious
Let's put it this way. To argue that a bunch of people using the "diplomat's form" means a more martial era than factionalized Jedi who wear battle armor and reference each other as warriors is just plain stupid.

Oh, and you've provided zero proof for any of those events playing out as you say they do and you were flat-out wrong about the Battle of Basilisk, making your other assertions suspect as well.

And give me just one reason why Yoda shouldn't been able to overcome Aleema's illusions with the very same technique Nomi used to do it.

Mostly because you've yet to prove that Yoda even knows the ****ing technique?

Then you can tell me how Ulic's tactical skills are going to trump a guy who commanded more battles than Ulic has even seen and turned a "suicide action" into a "won battle" (Kashyyyk) basically on his own + an army of people that learned how to fight and survive in a jungle at the age of 12 while this fight happens in a jungle enviroment. Thanks.

Then you can tell me how Yoda's tactical skills are going to overcome his enemies when his own forces are disabled by their own superstitions and reactions to Aleema's illusions. Then you can tell me how Yoda's tactical skills are going to be greater than Ulic's, the same Ulic that would have taken Coruscant (and the Republic) had it not been for betrayal. Thanks.

Oh, and forest != jungle. Thank you for playing.

And by the way...Force push seems to do nice damage...as long as pushing people into a wall counts as damage:

Whereas actual attacks like lightning and grip are lethal on their own? Nice try.

You're telling me Ulic's tactical skills are above Yoda's? Yes I'm sure he would have taken over Coruscant if it had not been for the betrayal, just as I'm sure Anakin would have been the most uber SW character ever if Obiwan didn't pwn him, just like the Sith would have been destroyed had Mace completed his mission, etc... You can't use the "he would have done this if that hadn't happened" in this argument. Plus we've seen Yoda's tactical skills, I don't recall seeing anything impressive from Ulic.

Originally posted by tdtd
You're telling me Ulic's tactical skills are above Yoda's? Yes I'm sure he would have taken over Coruscant if it had not been for the betrayal, just as I'm sure Anakin would have been the most uber SW character ever if Obiwan didn't pwn him, just like the Sith would have been destroyed had Mace completed his mission, etc... You can't use the "he would have done this if that hadn't happened" in this argument. Plus we've seen Yoda's tactical skills, I don't recall seeing anything impressive from Ulic.

Yep, lets assume Yoda doesnt fight Ulic on the battlefield. This is about who is the better commander. Im afraid Yoda has won that argument already. I want to continue this thread, or at least remake a similar one with some tweaks.

agreed

Originally posted by Wesker
Nai, jedi can resist Force TK if prepared. Yoda's not going to force push Ulic into a wall with ease.

Of course he wouldn't do that. But the statement that force push isn't an "offensive" force power is just rediculous.

@IKC

And are contradicted by the EP2 Vis dictionary. Give me full quotes, page numbers, or scans.

If you don't have the sources, don't start arguing with me. Simple as that. EP2 Visionary is retconned by 3 newer sources. QED.

No, bullshit. He cuts Jerec in half and after MotS simply stops using the Force, thereby growing "out of practice." This is made very clear in JO as well.

Yes. You "grow out of practice" if you don't use the force for a few years - so much that you have to step into the core beam of the Valley of the Jedi to be able to use the force again. Allright.

You aren't going to define my points for me. TOTJ is a martial time.

You aren't adressing my point while trying to respond to my posting.
What about giving me one battle of Jedi vs Sith in the time period between 5,000 and 4,000 BBY instead of trying to bullshit your way through ?

Oh, and you've provided zero proof for any of those events playing out as you say they do and you were flat-out wrong about the Battle of Basilisk, making your other assertions suspect as well.

And you've provided zero knowledge of what you are talking about. So why you're even trying to argue with me ? But just for you:

Battle of Basilisk (it's counted into the "Great Sith War" time period since it happened in 3,997 BBY and had the Mandalorians involved):
- see Star Wars Insider #80
- see New Essential Chronology

Third Shism / Vultar Cataclysm:
- see new Essential Chronology (both happening in 4,250 BBY)

Great Droid Revolution:
- see new Essential Chronology (happening in 4,015 BBY)

Mostly because you've yet to prove that Yoda even knows the ****ing technique?

Again: Republic comics #82 but as you seem to be just to lazy to look it up yourself:

"Master Yoda went into a battle meditation..."

Then you can tell me how Yoda's tactical skills are going to overcome his enemies when his own forces are disabled by their own superstitions and reactions to Aleema's illusions.

Won't happen since Yoda knows Battle Meditation.

Then you can tell me how Yoda's tactical skills are going to be greater than Ulic's, the same Ulic that would have taken Coruscant (and the Republic) had it not been for betrayal. Thanks.

And the entire galaxy...and the entire universe...
Yoda still has commanded more battles than Ulic has even seen, has 900 years of experience (including at least 5 actual "wars"😉. Then he has Battle Meditation and a 501st stormtrooper said that he turned a "suicide mission" into a "victory" on his own on Kashyyyk. Ulic gets pwned.

Oh, and forest != jungle. Thank you for playing.

Does "Shadowlands" ring a bell ? No ?
7+ feet Wookies with superior strength, weapons and experience (considering that they get several centuries old) are still > anything the Krath have to offer especially when getting backup by Battle Meditation. Thanks for trying to play.

Borbarad, actually when I think about it, I think Kyle might not have cut his connection to the force completly but stopped using it. The reason is that he said to Luke that he didn't want to spend years of his life retraning at the academy...

Ok Yoda beats Ulic hard, next topic? it doesn't even matter if IKC is right anyways now. Yoda has mro votes, over three if I'm correct. Next person.

While appealing to the majority is a logical fallacy, there is more evidence of Yoda's force superiority, and not really that much in terms of saber combat.

If your talkig to me, I'm not appealing to the majority. The ruels are the force that gets the most votes, or three.

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
If your talkig to me, I'm not appealing to the majority. The ruels are the force that gets the most votes, or three.

No, the purpose was to have individuals logically weigh their options and give an informed vote, not have a bunch of fanboys jump on the 'wagon without even being able to form a coherent argument.

Agreed. BH, reading comprehension is your friend. I -never- said we voted on the matches, and I even went so far as to put in BOLD that we AREN'T voting on the matches, because appeal to fanboyism runs too strongly here.

Yes but basing wiether an entire army will lose or not on 1 person is just as bad. This thread has basicly died and has been reduced to nothig more than a battle ground for fanboys to prove how lame they are.

No, BH, it isn't. The concept was to evaluate the individuals as leaders, the soldiers as fighters, and take into concept all variables.

Wesker, I know what it was supposed to be that, in the begginign I even added a few arguments of my own. I said it has been reduced.

Eh, I didn't see that part. The resolution on work computers is low and I didn't scroll all the way over.

Ok than I forgive you 😄 this time... 😛

Jesus, how does it take to decide who would win this first battle?

Come again? Refrase that please.