Battlefield SW

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
*watches as Sadow gets blown to bits by 1 blast from Sid's lightning.*

So much for the amulet of doom and the real lord of the sith...

I highly doubt that Sadow is going to be unable to counter the Force Storm, especially considering that it is an Ancient Sith technique. Sidious is not going to be able to just whip one out and obliterate everything in site.

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
[b]Sadow can blow up planets with a handmovement, at the very least he can tear down the entire temple using his amulet (not even thinking about shooting that thing into an approaching army of stormtroopers).

Sadow gets his ship, now? wtf?

And why would he collapse a temple with him and his Massasi inside it...? [/B]

Tearing down the temple roof on the enemies wouldbe useful, yes. And Sadow's ship? Well, the attack made by the ship seemed somewhat different to Sadow's attack, which consisted of firing lightning into a star.

um...You dnt BLOW up your OWN fort...Sadows defending, which means hes defending the Temple and his troops.

And? He's not going to be adverse to wiping out pieces of it...

It did seem different, but I think the ship had more than one purpose. I mean, Aleema manged to explode some suns, correct? That really didn't seem like a force attack.

I think the ship, instead of making the attack itself, enhanced Sadow's own powers allowing him to do it. I have trouble seeing anyone in Star Wars "kamehameha" a planet in Star Wars...

Regardless, this battle goes to Sadow. He can take Sidious in a one on one fight and his Massassi are on the defense... Since this isn't the 501 unit, a few ambushes and Sadow cutting people to pieces should grant him the victory.

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
It did seem different, but I think the ship had more than one purpose. I mean, Aleema manged to explode some suns, correct? That really didn't seem like a force attack.

Aleema ripped the core of a sun off causing a supernova. If you have a look at the beginning of DLotS (when Exar has a look at the Holocron) you just see Sadow closing his hands destabilizing two stars to destroy his persuers with the comments "Sith care nothing for the natural order of the universe" and "Naga Sadow considers the death of a star system a small price for his own survival". At the very least he created and manipulated solar flares with a handmovement.

I think the ship, instead of making the attack itself, enhanced Sadow's own powers allowing him to do it. I have trouble seeing anyone in Star Wars "kamehameha" a planet in Star Wars...

The ability to do something like that is implied even before the Ancient Sith ("godlike", "titanic force powers", "golden age Sith" and so on) are showing up in the EU. Listen to Vader in ANH: "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." There you have it - that idea exists for almost 30 years now.

This is all very true but you can't sit there and say that there is a defense for a force storm. I don't argue that Sadow could create one of his own but defend against it? It all depends on who can use their uber force powers first.

The storm is an ancient sith technique. if you couldnt defend against it then Kressh would have used it to destroy Naga in the decoy base instead of a space battle. Kressh knew Naga could defend against it.

Hey, if Yoda can defend against Sith Lightning from Sidious, I'm sure Sadow can defend against it. Yoda was a jedi in a time when Sith didn't hardly exist; Sadow was DLotS during the height of the Sith Empire.

Sadow's knowledge of the dark side >>>>>>>>>>> Yoda's knowledge of the dark side.

it is still 1 to 1 i think. any more votes?

Eh, we don't vote on the outcome of the match itself... That opens the path to fanboyism and ignorant guesses and hunches. I want debates.

I think Sadow would have no difficulty in defending against force lightning, he'd probably laugh it off and curbstomp the person throwing it at him.

so... who decides who wins because i am pretty damb sure it will be naga with few casualties on his side thanks to illusions.

What I'd like to see first before we move on is careful consideration of the following:

The environment and who's attacking, who's defending.

The tactics and weapons of both sides. The quality of the two thousand troops on each side.

THEN take into consideration the tactical prowess of the general.

LAST, consider his own talents, but don't pin the entire battle on them.

Hmmm interesting... The best place would be out in the open, lets say the deserts of Tatooine..

The temple is a good structure and the massasi can use there masters force powers to guide them through it because it is a huge maze and naga can be there map since he can probably use the force to find paths through it.

The troops have the aim of a blind deaf and dumb man with a gun. the massasi can beat the crap out of them and have the dark side.

Naga > sidious and is one with the massasi since he is there god.

nuff said

I would just like to interject here and humbly request that those not perceive me as a Sidious fanboy, considering how I have avoided the overabundance of threads mentioning his name. But, I would like to know where the conception that the Force Storm is an ancient Sith technique came from. Because, in Dark Empire, Sidious wrote that he came up with the ability himself, in the Dark Side Compendium book that he wrote called: The Book of Anger.

Now, aside from the KOTOR variation (which was considerably weaker than Sidious's own), do we have any evidence that logically indicates that it was an Ancient Sith technique? Did another Sith Lord use it? Or are we all agreeing that it is an Ancient Sith technique because it is heresy to assume that Sidious had such a powerful maneuver that wasn't replicated in the Golden Age?

I honestly don't know, and I didn't mean for this to sound... well, rude, but I'd just like to know. Thanks.

Oh, and just so there is clarification, I do think that Sadow will win this one, simply because he is all-around a superior Sith to DE Sidious, and his forces are empowered by the Dark Side - which in my opinion gives them an intense advantage over Sidious's stormtroopers.

I believe Darth Bane used force storms too, and nowhere in DE did it say that Sidious created the technique..

I recall going over the issue with Lightsnake, but the details are sketchy now. I did point out Sadow uses a variant of force lightning to activate the star in FotSE. Also, it's called Sith Lightning in the databank among other places, and Force Storm is just a larger variant of that. Sidious may have "rediscovered it" possibly, but I highly doubt he figured it out and none of the ancient Sith ever did despite them sitting around for centuries using the dark side on each other.

But it's very logical to assume that it came from the ancient sith