Battlefield SW

Originally posted by tdtd
I believe Darth Bane used force storms too, and nowhere in DE did it say that Sidious created the technique..

I believe it was in Dark Empire IV and the source book that said that he recorded the origin of the Force Storm, saying that he was able to immerse himself so deeply in the Dark Side that through a sheer act of will, he was able to generate storms of pure Dark Side energy. He mentions that he does this in the Book of Anger, which is 1/3 of his Dark Side Compendium. So according to that, he was the only one to use it. Whether there has been a piece of EU literature that indicates he was not the first, I do not know.

Also - to my knowledge, Bane never used a Force Storm. From some of the research that I've done, as well as the biographies on Wookipedia (horrible references for this versus forum, I know, but they are among the most detailed descriptions of the characters) - Bane never used a Force Storm. I could be wrong however.

Originally posted by Escape81
I believe it was in Dark Empire IV and the source book that said that he recorded the origin of the Force Storm, saying that he was able to immerse himself so deeply in the Dark Side that through a sheer act of will, he was able to generate storms of pure Dark Side energy. He mentions that he does this in the Book of Anger, which is 1/3 of his Dark Side Compendium. So according to that, he was the only one to use it. Whether there has been a piece of EU literature that indicates he was not the first, I do not know.

Also - to my knowledge, Bane never used a Force Storm. From some of the research that I've done, as well as the biographies on Wookipedia (horrible references for this versus forum, I know, but they are among the most detailed descriptions of the characters) - Bane never used a Force Storm. I could be wrong however.

The problem with this is that sourcebooks aren't canon. Also, DE was made before TOTJ series comic books, so the Ancient Sith effectively predate everything Sidious has done, whether he's aware of that or not. And I recall someone in Jedi versus Sith using Force storm, but I was so disgusted with the artwork I never read the whole thing.

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soooooo... Naga wins?

From my own stance I'm seeing Sadow ruining Sidious' forces, with the confines of the Jedi temple being in the favor of the massassi. However, there is a chance for Sidious to win, depending on how complete his battle meditation is, how effective his force storm is, and the AT-STs can make one hell of a mess. I'll leave this match open for a few hours, but in the meantime we can start taking votes on Round two. Please refer to the first page for remaining generals.

yoda and friends..

Originally posted by Wesker
The problem with this is that sourcebooks aren't canon. Also, DE was made before TOTJ series comic books, so the Ancient Sith effectively predate everything Sidious has done, whether he's aware of that or not. And I recall someone in Jedi versus Sith using Force storm, but I was so disgusted with the artwork I never read the whole thing.

Wait, wait, wait.

So, what you're telling me is that you have no proof (on hand, or on memory) of an Ancient Sith using a Force Storm, but it must be an Ancient Sith technique simply because they were Ancient Sith? Wtf? Janus, that's not really... logical. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it isn't an excuse to assume that the Ancient Sith know a technique that they were never displayed using.

Well, in my personal opinion, that sounds like crappy logic. I could understand if they were actually shown using the actual technique that the Sith know all of Sidious's maneuvers. But until such a time when you can hand deliver proof to me about this, I'll be skeptical in regards to the Ancient Sith knowing all just because they're ancient. However, if you have proof in the form of a comic or something showing Naga Sadow popping off a Force Storm, or Marka Ragnos - then my points are moot. But until then, I'm not so sure.

Just wanted to clear that up. But, again. Naga takes this. He's more powerful, and so are his forces.

We're not discussing the victor here just yet, and you're not showing any evidence why Sadow would take it.

Originally posted by Wesker
From my own stance I'm seeing Sadow ruining Sidious' forces, with the confines of the Jedi temple being in the favor of the massassi. However, there is a chance for Sidious to win, depending on how complete his battle meditation is, how effective his force storm is, and the AT-STs can make one hell of a mess. I'll leave this match open for a few hours, but in the meantime we can start taking votes on Round two. Please refer to the first page for remaining generals.

I see no way Sidious can win. He's squaring off against a Sith Lord who is more powerful than he, and is - according to you - capable of the same feats that Sidious is, and then some. Now, considering how Sadow supposedly possesses the ability to conjure a Force Storm - I don't see how he can't possess Battle Meditation as well. His forces are also empowered by the Dark Side, whereas Sidious's are just plain ol' human in mediocre armor. Sidious is basically outclassed and so are his forces. I don't see how he could pull a victory off.

Originally posted by tdtd
We're not discussing the victor here just yet, and you're not showing any evidence why Sadow would take it.

Well, consider. Naga Sadow is more powerful than DE Sidious, right? According to you, he possesses the same Dark Side feats that Sidious is capable of - and then some that he isn't. In my opinion, if he's capable of conjuring Force Storms, then it is also likely that he possesses Battle Meditation on some level.

So in the case of Sadow v. Sidious - Sidious is WTFpwned.

Now, Sadow's forces are empowered by the Dark Side, whereas Sidious's are not. The Massassi seem to be skilled warriors and such, whereas the Stormtroopers are not an overwhelming force. They are also equal in number, with Sadow only tasked to defend instead of expending his superior energies on an offensive maneuver. So, in effect, we have a greater force merely defending against a substantially weaker force.

Sidious < Sadow
Stormtroopers < Massassi

First of all they are generals of their armies. If we're going by straight leadership I'd give the fight to Revan, who was superior to both of them in terms of being a general. Sadow does possess battle meditation as we see him speaking to his warriors while in his meditation sphere. His forces are empowered by the darkside, so what? Sidious and his troops have the superior weapons, and would destroy the Massassi from a distance.

if they could aim... The massasi also get some strong beasts (refer to the end of page 3 and the begining of page 4 and wookiepeia)

Originally posted by Escape81
Wait, wait, wait.

So, what you're telling me is that you have no proof (on hand, or on memory) of an Ancient Sith using a Force Storm, but it must be an Ancient Sith technique simply because they were Ancient Sith? Wtf? Janus, that's not really... logical. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it isn't an excuse to assume that the Ancient Sith know a technique that they were never displayed using.

Well, in my personal opinion, that sounds like crappy logic. I could understand if they were actually shown using the actual technique that the Sith know all of Sidious's maneuvers. But until such a time when you can hand deliver proof to me about this, I'll be skeptical in regards to the Ancient Sith knowing all just because they're ancient. However, if you have proof in the form of a comic or something showing Naga Sadow popping off a Force Storm, or Marka Ragnos - then my points are moot. But until then, I'm not so sure.

Just wanted to clear that up. But, again. Naga takes this. He's more powerful, and so are his forces.

There's Sadow using the "Powers of the Sith". And Gav, who has spent only a short time in their company, recognizes it. It stands to reason that Sith lightning on such a titanic scale DOES exist among the ancient sith, especially since their powers are the foundation for all the other Sith Lords in time, INCLUDING Darth Sidious.

I never denied that their work was the foundation for Palpatine. But, Janus, 'the powers of the sith' is not a Force Storm. It activated a star. The Force Storm doesn't activate anything. On it's own, it is an incredibly deadly maneuver - ranking among the most damaging Force attacks we've seen.

I can see however how that could be the basis for Sidious developing the Force Storm. That would make perfect sense. Kind've like improving upon what they never managed to. But from that example alone, it does not indicate that Naga Sadow knew "the Force Storm". Perhaps a variation of it, but not the same thing.

Also, Tdtd, Sidious and his men are WTFpwned here. They'd need a Star Destroyer or something.

I think you're misreading the idea of it's power; does this form of lightning activate the star because that's what it does, or does it cause the star to go nova because of its power? If you fired Sidious' Force storm into a sun, it'd go nova too. It has everything to do with the nature of a star and little to do with the nature of the lightning used, other than its level of power.

I agree with Janus and no, you can't say Sidious and his men are wtf Pwned... We haven't even discussed the details of the battles yet.

The problem with this is that sourcebooks aren't canon. Also, DE was made before TOTJ series comic books, so the Ancient Sith effectively predate everything Sidious has done, whether he's aware of that or not. And I recall someone in Jedi versus Sith using Force storm, but I was so disgusted with the artwork I never read the whole thing.

What the flying hell? The artwork in Jedi vs Sith is 1000x better than the "art"work in TOTJ.

Dude, Bane looks like a monkey. Case closed.

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