Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan(ROTS) Vs Darth Vader(RODV) and Ventress(Obsession)

Takes place in Death Star.

The Jedi. Kit is at least on par with RODV Darth Vader and could probably even beat him while Obi-Wan would only have a little trouble with Asajj and would definately win.

Originally posted by darthsith19
The Jedi. Kit is at least on par with RODV Darth Vader and could probably even beat him while Obi-Wan would only have a little trouble with Asajj and would definately win.

For once, I agree.

If Vader can beat Ben Kenobi, he can defeat the weaker Obi-Wan. The choreography argument is a valid one so why not use it when dealing with OT characters.

RotS is much stronger than Ben. Ben was hiding from the Empire; he had no reason to train whatsoever. If you can provide some proof of Ben's training between RotS and ANH then you'll have a point. Until then, your post is inconclusive.

What are you talking about? ANH Ben was a very powerful individual. What makes you think he had no reason to train? You forget he learned from Qui Gon on Tatooine.. I would put him about ROTS Obiwan any day..

The fact that there is going to be a postROTS book on him and other jedi in hiding. He's obviously going to be doing stuff in those books. And it is also clear at the end of ROTS that he would be trained by both the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda. And also, what do you think he was doing in hiding. He clearly would have spent much time meditating and what not. So far it is very logical to assume that he would become stronger. Have I directly quoted GL saying so? No but I think that it is pretty obvious that he grew stronger.

Qui-Gon most likely taught him about mental aspects and the Force, not physical fighting power. Ben was good, but RotS Kenobi was better. He had no reason for physical training because he would never use them.

You're acting as if he completely gave up. Do you really think he was just going to die peacefull while Sidious and Vader ruled the galaxy. He and Yoda clearly had plans for the future. In the time between ROTS and ANH, there are plenty of things that Kenobi might have done. It is defenite that he contacted other surviviors of the purge and he might have even tried to gather all the jedi to reform the old order into a new secret order. He might have even contacted people like Ventress and Vos. There are a hell of a lot of things that he could have and probably would have in between ROTS and ANH.

ANH Ben may have been old and not as good with a saber anymore but he was superior to ROTS Obiwan in the Force.

Originally posted by thetruepower
The fact that there is going to be a postROTS book on him and other jedi in hiding. He's obviously going to be doing stuff in those books. And it is also clear at the end of ROTS that he would be trained by both the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda. And also, what do you think he was doing in hiding. He clearly would have spent much time meditating and what not. So far it is very logical to assume that he would become stronger. Have I directly quoted GL saying so? No but I think that it is pretty obvious that he grew stronger.

During this time, Kenobi spent years communing with the Force. Through meditation, he made contact with the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn. His former Master had discovered the secret of immortality, a way of preserving his identity in the netherworld of the Force. Obi-Wan studied from him, learning this ability.

That's from the databank, and I would have to say Kenobi wasn't doing much physical training, i.e. lightsaber combat. I'm sure he learned more of the Force, and the aspects of it and such, but his lightsaber and combat skills seem they would've diminished over the years.

Originally posted by tdtd
ANH Ben may have been old and not as good with a saber anymore but he was superior to ROTS Obiwan in the Force.

And, still ROTS Obi-Wan would best ANH Obi-Wan, he's probably been without using his saber, and keeping up with it for quite awhile. Also, it's not like ANH Ben was a supreme god of the Force anyways.

Exactly, Sintas. And you're last post is correct, tdtd.

But a Secret Jedi Order? There's no use. Vader would've definetly sensed the unusual amount of Force there and gone there to hunt them down. Ben hadn't gave up, but he was done fighting. As was Yoda. All that they could do was train Luke to become a strong Jedi. Most of the remaining Jedi were dying because the Purge was still going on, Quinlan was like evil, and Asajj didn't want to fight anymore.

Anyways, this is RODV Vader, not OT Vader. OT Vader, I agree, would beat Kit and put up a damn good fight against Obi-Wan.

Jedi win

I'd still say Fisto could take down any crippled Vader. So yeah, the Jedi win.

I wouldn't hesitate to put them on the same level... now.

But I'm going to listen to the ANH commentary to see if Old Ben really is stronger than Yoda.

Ben wasn't stronger than Yoda but he was extremely strong in the force by ANH, I still believe he would best ROTS Obiwan with just the force.

I still believe that he would have been in contact with other jedi and definitely don't think he would have gotten worse in saber combat.

Originally posted by tdtd
Ben wasn't stronger than Yoda but he was extremely strong in the force by ANH, I still believe he would best ROTS Obiwan with just the force.

Where is the proof of this?

And Mace defeated Sidious because he was more battle hardened, he had seen alot more combat and was a better saber user. Obi-Wan also doesen't use offensive force powers so how would he take down ROTS Obi-Wan, force pushes????

Didn't GL say that Ben was just an old man in ANH hence why he was so slow and seemed so weak?

Really? Mace may have bested Sidious in the pure saber fight, but it's still premature to call him the better duelist. Possibly a more "in shape" duelist?

If Vader can beat Ben Kenobi

What are you talking about? ANH Ben was a very powerful individual. What makes you think he had no reason to train? You forget he learned from Qui Gon on Tatooine.. I would put him about ROTS Obiwan any day..

The fact that there is going to be a postROTS book on him and other jedi in hiding. He's obviously going to be doing stuff in those books.

And it is also clear at the end of ROTS that he would be trained by both the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda.

And also, what do you think he was doing in hiding.

You're acting as if he completely gave up. Do you really think he was just going to die peacefull while Sidious and Vader ruled the galaxy.

and Asajj didn't want to fight anymore.

Ben wasn't stronger than Yoda

Didn't GL say that Ben was just an old man in ANH hence why he was so slow and seemed so weak?