Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan(ROTS) Vs Darth Vader(RODV) and Ventress(Obsession)

Originally posted by kamikz
I agree with the points, but are you sure that Soresu is only good against blasters? I thought that was just one of the KOTOR balancing things for the different styles. Obi-Wan has actually never been bested in ROTS in saber combat, when he fought Dooku it was with the force + that Obi-Wan was actually using offensive to work as a team with Anakin instead of being defencive, I'd say it's pretty well effective with saber vs saber too....

He means that it was created for the purpose of blaster deflection and ranged weapon defense, not lightsaber combat, just as Djem So was created for the purpose of turning an enemy's blaster attack back at them. That doesn't mean they aren't necessarily effective in a duel.

Originally posted by Wesker
Actually, I'd love to see proof that Yoda and Sidious mastered any forms outside of Ataru (Or Juyo, in Sidious' case).

He used a blend between all of the forms besides Juyo. (Niman)

Janus, it was sad that Yoda mastered all of the forms except Vaapad.. I'm not too sure about Sidious but I either read it somewhere or saw it on some commentary, I'll try to find the sources.

"Originally posted by thetruepower
He had mastered Soresu extremely well but not to its highest degree

This is what I said idiot."

Can't deal with other peoples logic so you're now debating, and insulting yourself? You just moved down another rank in my book.

I don't know if RODV Vader is good enough to pull it off at this point. He doesn't have the mastery of the force that he has in the OT that would win him the fight. If he could manage to throw Kit away with the force repeatedly until he and Asajj finally break Kenobi's defences, then they'll win, otherwise, I'm not sure. Either way, it would be tough.

Just a side note. I thought (note "thought", I'm not pulling a Numan and trying to pass off my opinion as fact) that Soresu was based on defence. Not necessarily just blaster fire, but in saber combat also. You do need to wait for an opening, like Janus said earlier, but you put very little energy into it and get an almost impenetrable defence. Basically, if you're against a Soresu master and you have a blaster, you're screwed, but if you have a saber, you will need to keep yourself protected and not do anything stupid (pull an Anakin) and need to constantly use new ways to break their defence.

Although OT Vader can be argued to be superior to ROTS Anakin, RODV Vader could not. I think it was stated that Vader lost power after the lava bath and whether he regained that power and then some remains to be seen.

tdtd, where does it say Yoda mastered all forms? Wikipedia?

Well, he had to go to a new saber style and adapt and such, so immediately after he lost some power, but what he learned in the force from restricted Jedi Holocrons and Sidious' Sith teachings later on surpasses Anakins knowledge of the force by leagues. I've even went as far as to say that the increase in physical strength and durability provided by the armor makes up for his loss of maneuverability (which wasn't a lot, as we see in Ep. 5). Now that argument may be at an all time high because people that were against that theory before are now arguing that the ancient Sith Lords were great at fighting because they had great physical strength (along with experience and normal speed and maneuverability, check and check for Vader). I am a Vader fan, I'm not going to deny it, but because of his character and personality. It just so happens that he is very powerful also.