Besides the Star Forge, you CAN(optional) only fight very few Dark Jedi.
three Dark Jedi on Tatooine(unavoidable), Kyyshhyyykk(unavoidable), seven on Manann, one on Taris, and approx 13 on Korriban(16 if Bandon included), 13 on the Leviathan, and approximately 30 on the Star Forge. and 10 on the UW.
At the MOST you can fight Approx 82 Dark Jedi on KOTOR.
Even WITH gameplay, you can kill no more than 95. There's no way he kills over one hundred, or even a hundred itself.
Originally posted by tdtd
What do you mean you can't kill 100 dark jedi, that was the storyline, whether he did it by himself or with 2 other Jedi.
Lmao. Did you even play KotoR ?
The only people armed with a lightsaber you have to fight are Juhani (before joining your team) and the 3 Dark Jedi that visit you on any planet + Darth Bandon and his two comrades. These fights can't be avoided. On Rakata Prime you always encounter Dark Siders in less numbers (only one or two each time) than your own team (when you always have two other Jedi with you while you're in the temple).
On the Star Forge the Dark Jedi also show up in teams of 2 or 3 - the rest of the forces attacking you are normal Sith troopers. So where are your "hundrets of Dark Jedi" ? Even if you run through the entirety of every level of the entire game you won't encounter hundret Dark Jedi.
Also notice that the group size is part of the game play. Do you really think that all people on the Ebon Hawk did stay inside the ship when Revan reached the Star Forge - except those who went with Revan ? So virtually all that Revan did during the events shown in KotoR could have been done by him + the entirety of the people on the Ebon Hawk with the exception of his visit in the temple on Rakata prime (him + Jolee + Juhani), the events on the Leviathan (him, Bastilla, Carth) and his fight against Malak (which he did alone).
And please stop acting as if Revan's party members were a non-issue. War heroes and trained Jedi that spent half of their live in a place like the Shadowlands tend to be skilled fighters...
I wasn't reinforcing the argument I was making a statement. And Kyle defeating those 7 dark Jedi puts him above Revan, if you consider defeating 7 dark jedi more impressive than defeating Malak, Bandon, and god knows how many dark jedi...And of course I know he had his party but unless you're going to tell me he just sat back, it's fair enough to say he killed enough dark jedi.
Originally posted by tdtd
I wasn't reinforcing the argument I was making a statement. And Kyle defeating those 7 dark Jedi puts him above Revan, if you consider defeating 7 dark jedi more impressive than defeating Malak, Bandon, and god knows how many dark jedi...And of course I know he had his party but unless you're going to tell me he just sat back, it's fair enough to say he killed enough dark jedi.
No, because there were many situations where you don't even have to fight at all.
By this logic, because Kyle waded through Desann's ship alone, he must have killed dozens upon dozens of shadowtroopers, who were force-sensitive, had energizing force crystals and cortosis armor.
Ah ok so you are telling me that his party killed 100 dark Jedi while he did nothing? Does that even seem logical or realistic to you? And lets assume for argument sake that he didn't, I believe defeating Malak on the SF and Bandon earlier is far more impressive than defeating Jerec and 7 dark Jedi.
Well canonically, Revan only fought alone on the star forge from when he fights Bastilla to when he fights Malak (as it is at this point that she stuns his two companions and from this point onwards, Revan is on his own). All he actually accomplishes on his own is turning Bastilla back to the light side of the force, presumably defeating many star forge guardian droids and defeating Malak with the added power of the star forge. This is still pretty impressive, as he would have had to hold off Bastilla who was extremely powerful and it would have proven very tiring due to the fact that he was in love with her and due to the fact that he was trying to turn her back to the light side of the force. And while it is possible in KOTOR to avoid fighting any of the guardian droids in the room that Malak locks you in (as it is possible to disable them via the computer terminals), it is obvious that Revan would have fought many of these droids considering that unlike in KOTOR the game, time wouldn’t have magically stopped and the guardian droids wouldn’t have stopped moving when Revan would have accessed the computer terminals and it would have taken Revan some time before he realised how to disable the droid generators but not too much time as Revan was presumably very intelligent (this is implied through dialogue throughout KOTOR and KOTOR 2). And his fight with Malak would have proven to be very difficult, as his prior battles in the star forge would have greatly affected his condition while Malak would have been in prime condition and would have had all of the power of the star forge at his disposal. Revan definitely fought him at least twice before killing him (this is proven through dialogue) but I don’t think it would have taken Revan too long to figure out how he could just destroy the jedi in the life support tanks to reduce the amount of times Malak could come back. I’m guessing he defeated him about 3 or 4 times before finally killing him. This alone speaks volumes for how powerful Revan was, especially when you consider how he must have been under very bad condition due to his battling through the star forge.
The point is, Revan was stronger than any opponent he ever faced - he was Dark Lord of the Sith! Kyle had no Lightsaber combat skills, and defeated seven dark Jedi, fully trained! Jerec himself was a trained Jedi Master and one of the Emperor's Hands. All of the dark Jedi were far better trained than Kyle, and he defeated them all, Gorc and Pic at the same time! He even defeated Sariss, a dark jedi so powerful, Qu Rahn himself, a Jedi Master, said that he feared. Kyle was weaker and less skilled than all of the force wielding opponents he faced, and came out on top!
I still think Kyle would put up one hell of a fight, but there really aren't too many people more powerful then Revan. The only people more powerful then Revan are the Ancient sith and Ajunta Pall, Nihilus and Sion, Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron, Nadd and Exar Kun and Bane and DE Sidious IMO. Oh and maybe some vong and other force users.
Throughout his Jedi training, Kyle got more powerful, especially after his power got increased because of The Valley of the Jedi. Kyle made amazing achievements for someone with no training. How much more could he do when he became a Jedi Master? He's not on the Masters' Council for nothing. He is above Revan because he showed more skill, both as a force beginner, and as a Jedi Master. What spectacular thing did Revan do when he was an early Padawan, that is at least on par with Kyle who had no training?
Originally posted by Xepeyon
Throughout his Jedi training, Kyle got more powerful, especially after his power got increased because of The Valley of the Jedi. Kyle made amazing achievements for someone with no training. How much more could he do when he became a Jedi Master? He's not on the Masters' Council for nothing. He is above Revan because he showed more skill, both as a force beginner, and as a Jedi Master. What spectacular thing did Revan do when he was an early Padawan, that is at least on par with Kyle who had no training?
That's not a logical argument because you can't effectively quantify his power, what is it with people trying to do that lately. You can't say "because he showed more skill as a force beginner, he is above Revan". That's not a logical argument. I can say Revan showed more skill as a trained Jedi/Jedi Master. You can't bring potential into this either.
The only people armed with a lightsaber you have to fight are Juhani (before joining your team) and the 3 Dark Jedi that visit you on any planet + Darth Bandon and his two comrades. These fights can't be avoided. On Rakata Prime you always encounter Dark Siders in less numbers (only one or two each time) than your own team (when you always have two other Jedi with you while you're in the temple).
Nevertheless, each of those dark Jedi are perhaps Juhani and Jolee's equals. The two of them were never described as "exceptional" Jedi, with one of them being easily defeated by a memory wiped newbie Revan and the other having his lightsaber and force skills stagnating on Kashyyk. Without Revan the battle would have been completely lost, so it can be supported that Revan was responsible for many of these dark jedi being defeated in the temple.
On the Star Forge the Dark Jedi also show up in teams of 2 or 3 - the rest of the forces attacking you are normal Sith troopers. So where are your "hundrets of Dark Jedi" ? Even if you run through the entirety of every level of the entire game you won't encounter hundret Dark Jedi.
Well a direct quote from Malak indicates that canonically Revan did fight against an army of dark Jedi. Malak states "send every single dark Jedi and Star Forge battle droid" blah blah blah. I am not arguing gameplay here, just in game documentation. The battle droids that Revan fights were commented to easily dispose of "Jedi Knights" (Yes those Jedi knights such as Juhani and Jolee). So without Revan, the army would have raped them so fast it wouldn't be funny.
Also notice that the group size is part of the game play. Do you really think that all people on the Ebon Hawk did stay inside the ship when Revan reached the Star Forge - except those who went with Revan ? So virtually all that Revan did during the events shown in KotoR could have been done by him + the entirety of the people on the Ebon Hawk with the exception of his visit in the temple on Rakata prime (him + Jolee + Juhani), the events on the Leviathan (him, Bastilla, Carth) and his fight against Malak (which he did alone).
The people with Revan would not canonically be much help to Revan. Carth would have been able to take a dark Jedi, Mission would be torn to peices, T3 and Zaalbar would also be completely destroyed. Canderous or HK could probably kill like 3 dark Jedi AT MAX AND IF COMPLETELY LUCKY and not without a LOT of difficulty. Jolee and Juhani are described as average Jedi knights, so they would probably only be to entertain a dark Jedi or two each. The rest is left to Revan, hence the party made it out alive. So Revan was doing most of the killing.
And please stop acting as if Revan's party members were a non-issue. War heroes and trained Jedi that spent half of their live in a place like the Shadowlands tend to be skilled fighters...
Their Jedi skills and lightsaber training weren't improving during that time... thats for sure.
Revan was responsible for the deaths of so many dark Jedi, not his comrades. Blame the man in the white cloak, not his innocent companions.
Revan only won because of all the stimulants and medpacks. 🙂 Also, Revan could have sneaked past the Dark Jedi. There is no canon evidence to support that Revan was more powerful than a whole bunch of people, especially people of Kyles caliber. All people can say is "He beat Malak!!1!" Well, sorry, but we don't know how powerful he is. Or how powerful you have to be to control the Star Forge. We can't say that he is more powerful than Kyle when there is no evidence to support it.