Darth Revan vs. DN Kyle Katarn

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We know Revan was the most powerful of his era, which was a martial period. We know Kyle was the 3rd of 4th most powerful of his era...

Yoda was the most powerful of his era and Naga Sadow was 2nd or 3rd of his, ergo Yoda stomps him. Comparable? I think not.

I was proving a point, I didn't say Revan would curbstomp him. Revan has shown to have more mastery in the force. In regards to Lightsaber combat, who knows it can go either way.

Okay then, what exactly is this mastery of the force?

I don't think that there is actually any evidence of Revan having such a great mastery over the force, however if you carefully interpret what he did in the star forge, it speaks great volumes about his power.

The Star Forge is what I was thinking about yea.. There's really no clear evidence for either guy I just like Revan cause he looks cool in his little helmet, and KOTOR rules.. And Kyle seems like a redneck.

Nevertheless, each of those dark Jedi are perhaps Juhani and Jolee's equals. The two of them were never described as "exceptional" Jedi, with one of them being easily defeated by a memory wiped newbie Revan and the other having his lightsaber and force skills stagnating on Kashyyk. Without Revan the battle would have been completely lost, so it can be supported that Revan was responsible for many of these dark jedi being defeated in the temple.

Illogical.

Tell me, where in the game (even in gameplay) did you simply turn the corner, open the door, and pop, you're in a room full of 15 swarming dark jedi?

Hint: nowhere. You encounter them in small groups at best, 3 Jedi there are a huge advantage.

Besides, if you wanted to play the numbers game (which is silly), I could just as easily say Vader took out several Jedi at once, he must be uber. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the Dark Jedi he encounted, if he encounted any (which is yet to be confirmed canonically) would most likely be inferior opponents, to not only Revan, but to Bandon and Malak too.

Well a direct quote from Malak indicates that canonically Revan did fight against an army of dark Jedi. Malak states "send every single dark Jedi and Star Forge battle droid" blah blah blah. I am not arguing gameplay here, just in game documentation. The battle droids that Revan fights were commented to easily dispose of "Jedi Knights" (Yes those Jedi knights such as Juhani and Jolee). So without Revan, the army would have raped them so fast it wouldn't be funny.

And were they confirmed to repeatedly take out Jedi Knights in non-assassination circumstances? No. To take an ingame quote spoken by a character and try to apply to all circumstances is being narrowminded.

Again, Malak sending an army of Dark Jedi does not mean that he fought them, or fought them all at once, or fought them when the odds were stacked against him. We know he took out the droids, but other than that? Not much.

The people with Revan would not canonically be much help to Revan. Carth would have been able to take a dark Jedi, Mission would be torn to peices, T3 and Zaalbar would also be completely destroyed. Canderous or HK could probably kill like 3 dark Jedi AT MAX AND IF COMPLETELY LUCKY and not without a LOT of difficulty. Jolee and Juhani are described as average Jedi knights, so they would probably only be to entertain a dark Jedi or two each. The rest is left to Revan, hence the party made it out alive. So Revan was doing most of the killing.

That's not the point. More people mean more diversion, more battle, more targets, more support. If you can get one of the Jedi to stand there swinging a lightsaber around, that makes Revan's job easier.

And again, it's not like there were very many scenes in the game, gameplay or not, where he simply walks into a room of 20 pissed off dark jedi that swarm him.

Their Jedi skills and lightsaber training weren't improving during that time... thats for sure.

Revan was responsible for the deaths of so many dark Jedi, not his comrades. Blame the man in the white cloak, not his innocent companions.

What is your basis to argue that they weren't improving? Gameplay?

More gameplay?

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