Thor vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by olympian
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The Doomsday in discussion is the DOS (death of Superman)version. He never made a speedblitz attack. And the speed he used was the blur type.

Thor has gone and used blur speeds before. In fact he even speedblitzed opponents like Crusher Chreel where the later couldnt react. He has stopped volcanos from destroying villages using those. And this without any fligth.

And hardly any of those save Flash speedblitz anyway.

I dont agree either with DOS Doomsday being stronger than Classic Juggernaut. He was stopped and killed by Byrne Superman.

Byne Superman was still stronger than Classic Juggernaut.

Not true.

that's true nvrbeenwthagirl, classic juggernaught has lesser showings, and doomsday is another kettle of fish to juggernaught anyway

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Byne Superman was still stronger than Classic Juggernaut.

Stronger than a guy who had the edge on Classic Thor even with the hammer and never lost against the Savage Hulk?

Based on what, exactly? By being just "Superman"?

Originally posted by olympian
Stronger than a guy who had the edge on Classic Thor even with the hammer and never lost against the Savage Hulk?

Based on what, exactly? By being just "Superman"?

I'll look up some byrn superman feats and list them shortly.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I didn't ask you to explain yourself, tool, because I got that. I'm asking you where Juggernaut fits in. He has negligible skills nor does he have a more complex, interesting background than Hulk/Banner. And his powerset is fairly limited as well. The fact that you count Juggernaut as a multi-dimensional character is just pathetic.

Looks like you're the one who needs a fecking dictionary.

I'm sorry I upset you. But, I have to say that it wasn't too difficult. But, I just chalk this up to a sad case of "Gender Uncertainty". I believe you will eventually get this under control.

Back to the subject:

So, a guy that either may, or may not have the power of an entire dimension, or Godlike ruler of that dimension, with immunity to physical or mental harm, the brain of a "dock-worker" and the power to stand up under almost "any" attack, and a chronic confusion about whether he is "good" or "evil" is not "Multi-Dimensional"?

Ok, and "Hulk Smash" is complex, I guess, huh?
Well, as I stated originally, you are just fishing for something to critisize.
Must be compensating for "something" .
So funny.
But, I have to say I understand where you are coming from. After all, I love finding guys like you, and showing how messed up they are.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm sorry I upset you. But, I have to say that it wasn't too difficult. But, I just chalk this up to a sad case of "Gender Uncertainty". I believe you will eventually get this under control.

Back to the subject:

So, a guy that either may, or may not have the power of an entire dimension, or Godlike ruler of that dimension, with immunity to physical or mental harm, the brain of a "dock-worker" and the power to stand up under almost "any" attack, and a chronic confusion about whether he is "good" or "evil" is not "Multi-Dimensional"?

Ok, and "Hulk Smash" is complex, I guess, huh?
Well, as I stated originally, you are just fishing for something to critisize.
Must be compensating for "something" .
So funny.
But, I have to say I understand where you are coming from. After all, I love finding guys like you, and showing how messed up they are.

Trust, me you don't have what it takes to upset me. Trying to upset someone over the Internet is infantile and won't work anyway. But enough of that.

If you look at things that way, then why doesn't this go for Hulk? Someone with dynamic physical strength/durability, A healing factor, the ability to adapt, the ability to see astral/ghostly forms, a supernatural sense of timing, direction and aim, surprising reflexes and a remarkable resistance against telepathy? And what about all those dozens of years of character build up, the psychological conflict between man, monster and surroundings, the DPD, the frustration/anger/sadness that fuels the monster within, but also tears the man apart?

If you think Hulk is only about smashing, you haven't been paying attention. That (initially) WAS the direction they took the character in, but that has been corrected, fortunately. You can see Hulk as an action hero only, but it's better to view him as an extension of Banner. I'm cutting Juggernaut some slack because of his relatively limited number of appearances, but since I'm pretty much a character development whore, I can tell you that he ain't got shit on all that.

Now, if you were strictly talking about Hulk's functionality in a battle like this, I would agree. He's not the most perfect candidate, given the compromises to his power set. But it was the "Dynamic" + "multidimensional" comment and the fact that you included Juggernaut as an example that had me in stitches.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Excuse me, DD has been to entropy and back. The destroyer beam isn't going to put DD down. He's also been frazacked by the OE. He's evolved now. Beyond that precious little beam.

How's DD going to evolve of there's nothing to evolve from?

Why does everyone on this forum underestimate DD so much?
Especially H/P DD
I've been reading comics for nearly 20 years and I've never seen any sentient being as raw as DD. None!
Destroyer can disintegrate him? How?
Destroyer and Kurse and rip him a new ahole? How?
Why do people think he (HP DD)can be damaged?

D.C. implied that he couldn't be damaged in H/P.
That is why waverider's mother box took DD to the only that can destroy him in the whole D.C. universe was the End of Time. Is D.C. liars? They are the freaking creators of DD.

There is no evidence what so ever to even hint that HP DD can be damaged in any way. D.C. implied this and verified this countless times (such as not being damaged by HV, omega effect, the Radiant, etc.). Many say he was hurt by Superman's HV and the omega effect. But I say this has nothing to do with the damage he incurred. Not even a scratch. Pain doesn't equal damage . Plus it contradicts other showings where he didn't even feel pain against the full effort of HV combined with JLA. Bad writing at its finest.

Why would D.C. imply that he is immune to all energy projection when he really isn't? This makes no sense. Usually character's quotes can not be taken as absolute truth or proof (unless they have a high degree of credibility and knowledge on the subject). But the narrator's quotes are the absolute truth.

It is no use arguing with people claiming that DD can be destroyed by energy projection when all the evidence in the world points that he can't (Even the absolute truth narration ).
There is absolutely no evidence that shows he can be damaged by energy projection anywhere. I beg anyone to show me where DD can be even slightly damaged (the tinest scratch) by energy projection. I dare them. As this would this would contradict the narration.

And don't people know that HP DD gets stronger through his "in battle evolution". His potential in strength is virtually limitless. He can grow strong enough to penetrate anyone. I mean anyone. The narration even says "Betron had created a creature that can kill any known form of life ".

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'll look up some byrn superman feats and list them shortly.

Here's a taste of one from a quote of a different forum:

"Peaple think That John Byrne's Superman was weak but I have proof that he can push 100 trillion tons and here it is

let me explan the people of the internet said the dirt mountain he lifted in action comics #585 should have weighted 40 billion tons, but Superman said it olny weighted a few thousand tons that is 13,333,333th of want it should of been if it was made of just dirt.

so when it came back in Action Comics #589 it was the size of the earth and the earth weights 6.6 sextillion tons, and it should weight 6.6 sextillion tons, because it is the size of the earth, but just like in the first place it is 13,333,333th the weight of what it should be because of the other elements and it comes to 500 trillion tons and they said superman was pushing 20% of it and that is 100 trillion tons.

That is how I came up with the max he can push. "

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Originally posted by Dinalfos
Trust, me you don't have what it takes to upset me. Trying to upset someone over the Internet is infantile and won't work anyway. But enough of that.
If you look at things that way, then why doesn't this go for Hulk? Someone with dynamic physical strength/durability, A healing factor, the ability to adapt, the ability to see astral/ghostly forms, a supernatural sense of timing, direction and aim, surprising reflexes and a remarkable resistance against telepathy? And what about all those dozens of years of character build up, the psychological conflict between man, monster and surroundings, the DPD, the frustration/anger/sadness that fuels the monster within, but also tears the man apart?
If you think Hulk is only about smashing, you haven't been paying attention. That (initially) WAS the direction they took the character in, but that has been corrected, fortunately. You can see Hulk as an action hero only, but it's better to view him as an extension of Banner. I'm cutting Juggernaut some slack because of his relatively limited number of appearances, but since I'm pretty much a character development whore, I can tell you that he ain't got shit on all that.
Now, if you were strictly talking about Hulk's functionality in a battle like this, I would agree. He's not the most perfect candidate, given the compromises to his power set. But it was the "Dynamic" + "multidimensional" comment and the fact that you included Juggernaut as an example that had me in stitches.

Originally posted by the Darkone
No I'm not, I see different as everybody else. And I am not your mate, who the f**k are yopu too judge people, acting like your sh** don't stink. This only comics, get a f**king life if you don't have one already, you take this sh** to seriouly, which means you don't have a life.

I take it too seriously ?? ... You're the one whose blinded with rage to the point where you find it hard to even use basic punctuation.

I mean what the hell does 'This only comics, get a f**king life' mean, any way ? 😉

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'll look up some byrn superman feats and list them shortly.

Ummm, lifting mountains, Areoplanes and Building comes to mind. What has the Juggernaught lifted exactly ??? .... 😖hifty:

I think people do underestimate DD. Me included. And he is a very powerful character. But,... People in the forums are so busy pushing the "Speedblitz" thing, that it overshadows his other abilities.
Also, even if he is immune to all "evergy", a lot of the guys that are pitted against him are "Magically" powered. DC does not mention that he is immune to all magic. Being created by Odin, the Destroyer's weapon is mystical in nature.
Kurse and the Destroyer are mystical in nature. Meaning, thier power and existence stem from a realm outside of normal "Reality". Same with Juggernaut and others.
And, although DD's powers hint at unlimited potential for increase, the problem is, that many of the forum opponents also have the same type of deal. Tap into this power source. Draw from that. Anger does this. The Gems do that. Yada, yada, yada.
Too many "all-powerful" characters, and he is still just a newcomer, relatively speaking. I guess, in reality, he has more to prove against some of these guys with 30 and 40 years of feats.
As far as his evolution power goes, it is hard to argue that he is already in a power-level that is over a specific character, if he hasn't already been up against that character.
In other words, if Juggernaut hasn't killed him already, chances are that he is not able to deal with his strength and invulnerability yet.
The problem is with DD, you can't really argue for him to win against these "Top-Tier" power-houses if it is thier first fight. Because, the biggest part of his character, is that AFTER he is killed, or beat upon for a while, THAT is when he can evolve.
In future threads, a poster can state...
For example, in a fight between DD and Thor:

1. DD has just come back to life, after being killed by a blow from Thor's Hammer. Now the battle begins.
or
2. DD has just realized that he cannot out-muscle the Savage Hulk, so he has evolved to be stronger than that specific incarnation of Hulk. Now the battle begins.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ummm, lifting mountains, Areoplanes and Building comes to mind. What has the Juggernaught lifted exactly ??? .... 😖hifty:

Seems to me that Juggs is more of a "Smash Down" kinda guy, not a "Lifter-Upper".

But, I bet he could crush those things down just fine!

Plus, who would want to drop those kinda things on poor ole Juggs? He's such a swell fella.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I think people do underestimate DD. Me included. And he is a very powerful character. But,... People in the forums are so busy pushing the "Speedblitz" thing, that it overshadows his other abilities.
Also, even if he is immune to all "evergy", a lot of the guys that are pitted against him are "Magically" powered. DC does not mention that he is immune to all magic. Being created by Odin, the Destroyer's weapon is mystical in nature.
Kurse and the Destroyer are mystical in nature. Meaning, thier power and existence stem from a realm outside of normal "Reality". Same with Juggernaut and others.
And, although DD's powers hint at unlimited potential for increase, the problem is, that many of the forum opponents also have the same type of deal. Tap into this power source. Draw from that. Anger does this. The Gems do that. Yada, yada, yada.
Too many "all-powerful" characters, and he is still just a newcomer, relatively speaking. I guess, in reality, he has more to prove against some of these guys with 30 and 40 years of feats.
As far as his evolution power goes, it is hard to argue that he is already in a power-level that is over a specific character, if he hasn't already been up against that character.
In other words, if Juggernaut hasn't killed him already, chances are that he is not able to deal with his strength and invulnerability yet.
The problem is with DD, you can't really argue for him to win against these "Top-Tier" power-houses if it is thier first fight. Because, the biggest part of his character, is that AFTER he is killed, or beat upon for a while, THAT is when he can evolve.
In future threads, a poster can state...
For example, in a fight between DD and Thor:

1. DD has just come back to life, after being killed by a blow from Thor's Hammer. Now the battle begins.
or
2. DD has just realized that he cannot out-muscle the Savage Hulk, so he has evolved to be stronger than that specific incarnation of Hulk. Now the battle begins.

There is NO way in ****ing Hell that a single blow from Thors hammer would kill Doomsday. 🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's a taste of one from a quote of a different forum:

"Peaple think That John Byrne's Superman was weak but I have proof that he can push 100 trillion tons and here it is

let me explan the people of the internet said the dirt mountain he lifted in action comics #585 should have weighted 40 billion tons, but Superman said it olny weighted a few thousand tons that is 13,333,333th of want it should of been if it was made of just dirt.

so when it came back in Action Comics #589 it was the size of the earth and the earth weights 6.6 sextillion tons, and it should weight 6.6 sextillion tons, because it is the size of the earth, but just like in the first place it is 13,333,333th the weight of what it should be because of the other elements and it comes to 500 trillion tons and they said superman was pushing 20% of it and that is 100 trillion tons.

That is how I came up with the max he can push. "

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Dude, did you even read the quote. Cause it makes no sense

fact1: he lifted a dirt mountain
fact2: he stated the weight. But sure, you can use suspension of disbelief on that one

Question: so how exactly does the mountain coming back the size of earth having anything to do with what he initially lifted? Not that even seems possible to come back like that. Or are you telling me the mountain the size of planet earth is located on planet earth?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Seems to me that Juggs is more of a "Smash Down" kinda guy, not a "Lifter-Upper".

But, I bet he could crush those things down just fine!

'I bet' is a lot different from 'He has'. One is heresay, the other is factual. A good arguement is based on Factual premises rather than non proven assumption. 😉

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I take it too seriously ?? ... You're the one whose blinded with rage to the point where you find it hard to even use basic punctuation.

I mean what the hell does 'This only comics, get a f**king life' mean, any way ? 😉

Um, after reading this, I don't really think Darkone should be allowed to argue with R.O.T. Yahman.

It doesn't look fair.

But, back to your previous jibes at my posts. You are taking those statements too literally.
I was joking about Juggs smashing the objects down.
And, as far as the DD and Thor's hammer statement goes, I was just using that as an example. Just to show how I would create a post that included DD.

"Blinded by rage" made me laugh out loud! A real LOL.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um, after reading this, I don't really think Darkone should be allowed to argue with R.O.T. Yahman.

It doesn't look fair.

I belive he missed an 'Is' .... 🙂 🙂

So you admit that there is little evidence to suggest that Juggernaught is as strong as Byrnes Superman ?