Thor vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I belive he missed an 'Is' .... 🙂 🙂

So you admit that there is little evidence to suggest that Juggernaught is as strong as Byrnes Superman ?

"Evidence", of course not. He hasn't got the feats to show he is normally as strong as Superman.

But, there is "Evidence" to show he is capable of getting this kind of power. There is evdence to show that his power potential is infinite. Because, the realm of Cyttorak may, or may not be limitless. And, the amount of Cyttorak power in Cyttorak may be limitless.
And, Juggernaut has shown that, at least while under the influence of an outside entity, his form is capable of tapping as much Cyttorak power as he desires. Which created the one feat that can be compared to Superman and other "Top-Tier" "unlimiteds". When the mere swinging of his fists was breaking through reality, and tearing apart dimensional barriers.

But, again, this all just shows the potential and possibility of this kind of unlimited power.
Potentially...

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Dude, did you even read the quote. Cause it makes no sense

fact1: he lifted a dirt mountain
fact2: he stated the weight. But sure, you can use suspension of disbelief on that one

Question: so how exactly does the mountain coming back the size of earth having anything to do with what he initially lifted? Not that even seems possible to come back like that. Or are you telling me the mountain the size of planet earth is located on planet earth?

He said when it came back it was the size of the Earth. It was the size of metropolis at first. It then says when it came back that he lifted about 20% of it.
The only way to be sure is to read that comic. But the site I gave give more Bryne's superman strength feats. Have a look.

Originally posted by h1a8
He said when it came back it was the size of the Earth. It was the size of metropolis at first. It then says when it came back that he lifted about 20% of it.
The only way to be sure is to read that comic. But the site I gave give more Bryne's superman strength feats. Have a look.

so 20% of the planet earth is metropolis now?

I have that comic but I'm sure it can't be bigger than planet earth even if you increase it 5 times more.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Dude, the Hulk is a pitiful character anymore.
He is physically powerful, and has a healing factor. Thats it. The rest of his character profile is a writers wet-dream, because they don't have to really THINK about how Hulk will solve anything. Every time the Hulk confronts somebody or something powerful, they just just make him stronger, chalk it up to his ability to power up when angry, and then he wins.
It's terrible. I liked him better when he was Mr. Fixit. Or, if they finally brought the Maestro onboard, that would be cool. I just don't "care" about an all-powerful, angry bully that feels justified in doing anything he wants. Unless, they finally were to let somebody kill him.

"all powerful bully who feels justified in doing anything he wants".....lol....you mean like juggernaut.

face it dude, both character, when it comes to confrontations, are the same. They're brawler. Nothing more. So jug have a shield, at the end of the day, his only way of winning is swinging, just like the hulk. However, if we're talking depth of character, i'm going to have to give it to hulk. His character symbolize the internal struggle of all man. Where juggernaut is more about the kinetic, hulk story can be rooted, more in the realm of psychology. Despair, anger, frustration etc. They both sicc characters though.

As far as the doomsday vs thor thing. I can't think of anything thor could do to doomsday that hasn't already been done.

Originally posted by Horrificus
"Evidence", of course not. He hasn't got the feats to show he is normally as strong as Superman.

But, there is "Evidence" to show he is capable of getting this kind of power. There is evdence to show that his power potential is infinite. Because, the realm of Cyttorak may, or may not be limitless. And, the amount of Cyttorak power in Cyttorak may be limitless.
And, Juggernaut has shown that, at least while under the influence of an outside entity, his form is capable of tapping as much Cyttorak power as he desires. Which created the one feat that can be compared to Superman and other "Top-Tier" "unlimiteds". When the mere swinging of his fists was breaking through reality, and tearing apart dimensional barriers.

But, again, this all just shows the potential and possibility of this kind of unlimited power.
Potentially...

Juggernaut is not as strong as the other heavy hitters. He is, however, virtually impervious to harm so Doomsday would have no chance of beating him. On the other hand, Juggernaut, while not as strong as Doomsday, is strong enough to cause harm, and can freely batter Doomsday without fearing about being harmed in return.

As for Thor vs Doomsday, Thor would win. He easily overpowered Surfer and Warlock, Drax (Power Gem) and Maxam, etc.... Drax alone is stronger than Doomsday/Superman.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ummm, lifting mountains, Areoplanes and Building comes to mind. What has the Juggernaught lifted exactly ??? .... 😖hifty:

Not the stupid argument again. What has Doomsday EVER lifted?

You dont have to lift anything if you go toe to toe with people who DID.

dd kills thor

DOS DD gets beaten for the lack of proof of the other side.

The fact alone pll keep bringing stuff that HP has done its a subtle hint that you dont even think DOS would make it.

He isent fast enough. Neither stronger. Neither durable enough.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ummm, lifting mountains, Areoplanes and Building comes to mind. What has the Juggernaught lifted exactly ??? .... 😖hifty:

From the top of my head I can come up with the Juggernaut lifting an apartment building when he only had half of his strength, because he gave the other half to Black Tom.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ummm, lifting mountains, Areoplanes and Building comes to mind. What has the Juggernaught lifted exactly ??? .... 😖hifty:

From the top of my head I can come up with the Juggernaut lifting an apartment building when he only had half of his strength, because he gave the other half to Black Tom.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Dude, the Hulk is a pitiful character anymore.
He is physically powerful, and has a healing factor. Thats it. The rest of his character profile is a writers wet-dream, because they don't have to really THINK about how Hulk will solve anything. Every time the Hulk confronts somebody or something powerful, they just just make him stronger, chalk it up to his ability to power up when angry, and then he wins.
It's terrible. I liked him better when he was Mr. Fixit. Or, if they finally brought the Maestro onboard, that would be cool. I just don't "care" about an all-powerful, angry bully that feels justified in doing anything he wants. Unless, they finally were to let somebody kill him.

Man, there is no talking to you. I'm not asking you to like the character, just to drop the hypocrisy.

Originally posted by olympian
Not the stupid argument again. What has Doomsday EVER lifted?

You dont have to lift anything if you go toe to toe with people who DID.

Rationality is hardly a stupid argument, Doomsday has demonstrated with physical combat that he at least on par with Superman i.e. by Koeing various of the league members, Darksied and others with ease., Juggernaut has not. True he has knocked around Thor and the Hulk, but so have the likes of the Thing and Iron man. Who is to say he is any stronger than them, both of whom i consider weaker than Byrne's Superman, hes really yet to prove it. Any way this debate is about Doomsday not the Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Horrificus
"Evidence", of course not. He hasn't got the feats to show he is normally as strong as Superman.

But, there is "Evidence" to show he is capable of getting this kind of power. There is evdence to show that his power potential is infinite. Because, the realm of Cyttorak may, or may not be limitless. And, the amount of Cyttorak power in Cyttorak may be limitless.
And, Juggernaut has shown that, at least while under the influence of an outside entity, his form is capable of tapping as much Cyttorak power as he desires. Which created the one feat that can be compared to Superman and other "Top-Tier" "unlimiteds". When the mere swinging of his fists was breaking through reality, and tearing apart dimensional barriers.

But, again, this all just shows the potential and possibility of this kind of unlimited power.
Potentially...

Thank you , at last someone has realised my point !!!!!!! Well this is quantifiable empirical evidence that suggest the Juggernauts strength in potential is greater than that of Byrne's Superman. Mind you, connection to a limitless energy source and the ability to manipulate it are two separate things.

Originally posted by Tshern
From the top of my head I can come up with the Juggernaut lifting an apartment building when he only had half of his strength, because he gave the other half to Black Tom.

I might be wrong but i was under the impression that mountains weigh more than mere buildings. 🙄

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Rationality is hardly a stupid argument, Doomsday has demonstrated with physical combat that he at least on par with Superman i.e.

You belive maybe that Byrne Superman was physically superior to those two?

Byrnes Superman isn't stronger than the Juggernaut, seeing as how his strength is unlimited.

Originally posted by olympian
And Juggernaut has demostrated the same way in combat to be physically on par with classic Thor and Hulk.

You belive maybe that Byrne Superman was physically superior to those two?

No there is a difference .... Juggernaught has never shown that he can match the Hulk or Thor any better than Iron Man or the Thing. Doomsday on the other hand destroyed characters, that Superman struggles usually against. 🙂

And no, I i now belive that Thor and Hulk are physically superior to Byrnes Superman. Current superman is a Different matter. 😉

Byrne Supes was a very up and down the scale guy.

I like Jurgens Supes pretty good.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Byrnes Superman isn't stronger than the Juggernaut, seeing as how his strength is unlimited.

Potentially limitless, there a big diffrence from having the wand, and being able to use it. Anyway limitless is a fickle thing in comics. Please dont get into the pointless debate of 'My Infinity is bigger than yours' cos iI can assure you my Philosophy knowledge is far superior to yours.

Originally posted by Juntai
Byrne Supes was a very up and down the scale guy.

I like Jurgens Supes pretty good.

Id still say Jurgen's Supes was below in strength to Classic Thor and Hulk. He was though Superior to Jurgens traditional Thor, who was a complete pussy. Simmons Thor on the other hand would have mauled Jurgens Supes. Once again Current Supes is a different matter.