Prove it? Was he ever able to Janus? Ever? Nope. I understand absence of proof isn't proof of absence, but we have nothing to go with that would make us believe that Kun has the ability to beat him with one saber, stating otherwise would be fanboyism. If you want evidence, look at both of his fights with Vodo, one as an apprentice, the other as a DLOTS. First fight he got his ass handed to him, then got a second blade and took down Vodo or broke his stick, I can't remember. Second fight, couldn't do jack shit with 1 blade, took out the second blade, beat Vodo. All the evidence points to my claim Janus. With all that said, asking me to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.. I did however bring it up so it is partly my fault, so my question to you should have been "Prove Kun could beat Vodo with a single blade".
Dooku being second to Yoda is a fact, not opinion "champ".
No. Dooku was Sidious' *****, it's unconfirmed if he was superior to Yoda. Dooku is not proven to be on the council, it's again unconfirmed if he was second best. Mace was on-par with Yoda on the Council, he beat Sidious, it's unconfirmed if and by how much Yoda would be Mace, that's just the majority of the fans' opinions.
Yoda being the most powerful in saber and force combat is fact, not opinion, champ.
What the hell, does adding "champ" make your opinion more valid now?
Yoda as the most powerful in saber is debatable. He didn't beat Dooku, he didn't fight Mace in ROTS. He's the strongest in force combat? Proof?
Next, you still have yet to quantify Ulic's power. I've come to the realization that none of the TOTJ fans want to touch this since it can't be argued and it might greatly diminish their character's power..
Unable to quantify = diminish Ulic's power?
WTF?
I'm unable to quantify Ragnos' power, does that diminish him?
You can't prove jack shit from absence of proof, got it? You can't establish that he would lose to Yoda without the proof.
You're saying Yoda couldn't beat him with a saber Janus? Have you read the book? It usually has those fill in scenes that the movie doesn't, like Yoda disarming Sidious..
And the book also said that Kit's head was on the desk when Kit wasn't even decapitated. The book also said Mace slashed Sidious' saber when the movie clearly shows Mace KICKING it away.
I won't say Yoda was a victim of poor luck, but you can watch the movies again and see who was winning at the end..
Yoda was a victim of poor luck. But he did start on equal footing as Sidious, it's his fault that Sidious got the upperhand.
That fight was a stalemate if anything, and yet Yoda survived, so he 'won' in the longterm, if we're going to go that route.
So 20 years of despotism is completely insignificant now?
Stop calling me a troll when your first post in this thread was a stupid comment worthy of a troll, that would make you a hypocrite.
What? Saying you were pwned? I would have said the same thing. Your argument hinges on a false conclusion.
And what does me using someone's quotes have to do with anything? You interpreting things differently than how they happened IS "Star Wars according to Janus"..
When did Janus misinterpret the facts and make up his own conclusions (that were not logically valid)?
Again I love how you judge my 'ability to reason' based on a star wars forum, knowing I work with whatever information I have.
Uh... last I checked, I do too.
Youre right I don't know how much better Kun got, so it's no place for me to judge, at the same time you have no place to say Ulic is better than Yoda because he stalemated Kun, because then youre just assuming that kun got a lot better, without any proof of course..
No, you even bullshitted that the Kun depicted stalemating Ulic would lose to Vodo.
Uhh... no. The Kun depicted losing to Vodo was AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF DARK LORDS OF THE SITH. He gets knocked on his ass, then he picks up two sabers and BREAKS VODO'S STAFF. Then Vodo goes on to say that Kun is "the most formidable student he ever had."
Know the whole story please, go read up on it.
And are you trying to argue that AFTER Kun converts to the dark side and he learns "all" the Sith Magic Freedon Nadd had to teach him that the fight would still have the same outcome as the fight with Vodo?
Tell me, when did he invent his new lightsaber form? Did he pull it out of his ass for fighting Vodo? How do you know he wasn't using it on Ulic?
You're right, the A>B>C argument doesn't work in all cases, but my point is if Kun is better than Vodo and equal to Ulic, then Ulic in most cases would be better than Vodo, unless you'd like to disprove that one..
Kun managed to break Vodo's staff in the very first comic. Then 5 comics later, after he converts to the dark side, after he learns a crapload of Sith Magic, after he tames the Massassi, he still can't beat Vodo? What?
Oh and you're right, George Lucas DIDNT say the fight was a stalemate, he said Yoda lost right? Oh wait, no..
Does GL have to say that Dooku lost, too? Dooku's head is still somewhere on that busted starship.
Amateur at star wars compared to most of you maybe, calling me an amateur debater in general is just a baseless opinion. Try again Janus, this time without getting angry and using personal attacks because i've insulted your favorite characters.
No, we call you an amateur debator because you demonstrate that level of skill in these debates.
Baseless opinion? So if someone scores a 70 on an IQ test, I would have a "baseless opinion" if I called them stupid?
Read the post before yours. And I used those 20 years as a point, if Janus is going to say that Yoda "lost" because he couldn't destroy the sith, I can just as safely say Yoda won, because he stayed alive to train Luke Skywalker. If someone scored a 1420 on his SAT's, would you necessarily call him smart? A better example would be, if that same person scored a 152 on his LSATS, and someone scored a 700 on his SATs and a 170 on his LSATS, then who would you call stupid, since your logic is based in the numbers..
Originally posted by tdtd
Read the post before yours. And I used those 20 years as a point, if Janus is going to say that Yoda "lost" because he couldn't destroy the sith, I can just as safely say Yoda won, because he stayed alive to train Luke Skywalker
Personally, I'd take 20 years as the almighty emperor than 20 years in a sh!thole like Dagobah, Luke or not.
I posted evidence for you Janus answer that.. How do you consider it a loss as opposed to a failure? Sidious didn't do anything to Yoda, it was a stalemated fight. I just threw your logic back at you but I'll do it again for your sake.
You: Yoda lost because he was unable to defeat Sidious, and destroy the sith.
Me: With that logic, Yoda won because he stayed alive and trained Luke Skywalker. If he had died, there would have been nobody to train Luke.
Originally posted by tdtd
I posted evidence for you Janus answer that.. How do you consider it a loss as opposed to a failure? Sidious didn't do anything to Yoda, it was a stalemated fight. I just threw your logic back at you but I'll do it again for your sake.
You: Yoda lost because he was unable to defeat Sidious, and destroy the sith.
Me: With that logic, Yoda won because he stayed alive and trained Luke Skywalker. If he had died, there would have been nobody to train Luke.
Another example? Operation Barbarossa was an incredible victory in that the initial stages of it constituted German victory over Soviet forces. However, that lead to a counterattack which led to an occupied eastern Germany and Cold War. While I could argue out of my ass semantically that it was a victory in a sense, the reality of it is that the Germans LOST that war. Period. Yoda LOST that battle. Period. Stop being thick and realize that.
Originally posted by tdtd
I posted evidence for you Janus answer that.. How do you consider it a loss as opposed to a failure? Sidious didn't do anything to Yoda, it was a stalemated fight. I just threw your logic back at you but I'll do it again for your sake.
You: Yoda lost because he was unable to defeat Sidious, and destroy the sith.
Me: With that logic, Yoda won because he stayed alive and trained Luke Skywalker. If he had died, there would have been nobody to train Luke.
Because Yoda not only did not accomplish what he set out to do, he wound up on the ground of the Senate building battered, bruised, without a saber or robes. Sidious was chilling up on a pod and guards and clonetroopers were flooding the building.
Arguing semantics is just like what Darth Somebody did, and he kept on arguing that Mace was a better "fighter" than Sidious but not a better "duelist" because Mace kicked the saber out of his hands instead of beating him with a saber. It's semantics, it's bullshit.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Watch him argue that it was Yoda's mission to go in there and get tooled, just so he could barely escape and go into exile for twenty years to train Luke for maybe... a few days.
After reading your semantics theory I have no counterargument, but don't make yourself look like a fool with the above statement. Unlike most of the morons on this forum when I see something makes sense, I shut up. On another note, youre acting as if Yoda got tooled, and as if Sidious was more powerful. I was simply telling you that from GL's commentary the fight was a stalemate(even though Yoda DID have the upper hand), and the point of the fight was to show that the best of the light side and the best of the dark side were equal.
I suppose I can say that if the fight had continued Yoda would have won, which is the way it was leaning towards, but to argue that Yoda was unrivaled is probably an exaggeration of the truth, yet I still maintain that Yoda was above Sidious, but not enough to defeat him, and certainly not as smart as him.
Originally posted by tdtd
hmm.. 1 person laughing at his own jokes... That is indeed hilarious you're right..
Wow, you're batting zero today:
Originally posted by Fishy
tdtdthis is how clueless you are
To clarify you are the dad in the picture
I don't seem to recall ever suddenly transforming into Fishy and posting that.
Hilarity ensues.
Fishy hasn't posted in 2-3 weeks, quit while you're behind.. Oh wait, denial can overcome anything right IKC?
Mom: Hi son what did you do today
IKC: Hi mom I totally wtfpwned somebody on the star wars forum today, he knows nothing about star wars, yea!
Mom: Erm...How nice son, why don't you go and play with your friends
IKC: No way mom, I'm on a role today..
Mom: ::😖igh:::
Oh btw, i'm glad you left from the Yoda battle meditation argument when you know you were beat. That's a very honorable thing to do IKC.
Originally posted by tdtd
Fishy hasn't posted in 2-3 weeks, quit while you're behindOh btw, i'm glad you left from the Yoda battle meditation argument when you know you were beat. That's a very honorable thing to do IKC.
Funny, I don't seem to recall ever being "behind." And I'd point out the hilarity but having irony pointed out makes it much less funny.
Oh, and I left it? Right. Which is why I posted this:
Originally posted by Illustrious
Again, Nai, I've never even seen you so much as concede a point. You'll argue until you're blue in the face even when I've proven you wrong. You won't concede that there's ever any facts because you haven't perceived them. Simply because you don't agree with my points, they are somehow false. You haven't established there is even a correlation, much less a causation. You haven't demonstrated any understanding of statistics, you've even CONTRADICTED YOURSELF with the Jedi Archives. But no, you're right. Jedi in TOTJ don't use armor. Jedi in TOTJ all use Niman. Jedi in TOTJ suck. PT Jedi pwn.Yeah, live in your ignorant bliss. Your observation and interpretation is somehow superior to mine, your word is somehow superior to the narrator.
I guess if you still can't see the light, we're going to have to agree to disagree, as all you do is churn out broken records of what you already said without once giving me a context.
Nope. Doesn't seem like I conceded defeat, given that Illustrious' words are my sentiments exactly.