If he could throw away one with the force and deal with the other one, or keep them both under attack from his lightning, then he would win. I think the duo could hold off his lightning for a little while, and then be overwhelmed. Sidious would have enough energy in his lightning to either kill or cripple them both, then he cuts them down with his saber or rests a minute and finishes frying them.
However, in a saber fight, despite Sidious' speed, I think he would lose if he was put under constant assault by both of them.
Yeah, I agree. Unless Sidious decides not to attack with the force at all and just use a saber, then he will lose, maybe kill Ulic if he's not careful and the duo don't use teamwork. Otherwise, Sidious wins. He will hold off Yoda with lightning while throwing around Ulic, and then just deliver a coup de grace of lightning on Yoda. Sidious wins.
What do you mean hold off/kill them with lightning? Oh you mean that same Lightning Yoda eventually absorbed and pretty much ****ed Sidious before they both fell off the platform? Please, his lightning is going to be ineffective against either combatant.. And again, he's not going to get a force storm off when he's getting slashed at.
Originally posted by IKC
And your insistence that I've not made a logical argument means precisely dick. I've proven up many times over, you've refused to so much as answer it. Take your ball and go home.
No, you've stated your biased opinion and proved nothing. Just because you claim you threw in a logical argument, doesn't make it so.. Try again IKC.
Originally posted by tdtd
No, you've stated your biased opinion and proved nothing. Just because you claim you threw in a logical argument, doesn't make it so.. Try again IKC.
You're a broken record. This is the tale of practically all your responses to anything I've posted, no matter how well written and thought out.
Please. I'm not required to make you believe jack shit. You've been a lost cause for a long time now.
Take your ball and go home, trolling doesn't work.
Originally posted by IKC
You're a broken record. This is the tale of practically all your responses to anything I've posted, no matter how well written and thought out.Please. I'm not required to make you believe jack shit. You've been a lost cause for a long time now.
Take your ball and go home, trolling doesn't work.
Translation: I have no argument, so i'm going to use personal attacks, that pertain to nothing, to further weaken my position because I refuse anybody can beat my precious TOTJ characters...
Everything you've just said was your opinion which is cute and I respect that, however none of it makes it so, try again. I believe you lack the comphrension to properly define "troll", so you just flat out say it nowadays when you have absolutely no argument, which is ok since you're only one on here that can't admit defeat.. If anything, you trolled this thread not me, since I was in it from the very beginning providing arguments... But I'll throw one more for you, see how far your denial takes you...
Yoda- Grand master of the order, unrivaled in saber combat and force abilities. I could say he's been the best for over 500+ years but that's mere speculation. We KNOW he's one of the most powerful jedi ever.
Ulic-lightsaber prodigy. Because we suddenly know where to rank him, since he was the only "lightsaber prodigy right"? How about ranking him and Kun above Sadow or Kressh or even Ragnos, since they were "lightsaber prodigies".. Please, that doesn't mean very much anymore. Defeated Mandalore.. Wow, that puts him where exactly? Thought so. Oh and my favorite. He fought a saber duel without the force, omg he's sooo uber. Please.. Unless you can quantify his power in regards to not having the force and having the force, that doesn't put him above Yoda, seeing as how you love using that argument to make him superior.. In conclusion, we're looking for an argument, not your TOTJ bias, so come back when you're ready sport, and crank out that dictionary...
Yoda- Grand master of the order, unrivaled in saber combat and force abilities. I could say he's been the best for over 500+ years but that's mere speculation. We KNOW he's one of the most powerful jedi ever.
Actually, we know that Vodo, for example, would thrash him. I'd place my money on Arca and Odan-Urr to beat him as well. He also barely got close to defeating a closeted Sith Lord/politician, Sidious. Doesn't much speak well for Yoda's skills when such a relatively weak opponent can hold him back and come so close to his level.
Oh yeah, he's "unrivaled."
Ulic-lightsaber prodigy. Because we suddenly know where to rank him, since he was the only "lightsaber prodigy right"? How about ranking him and Kun above Sadow or Kressh or even Ragnos, since they were "lightsaber prodigies".. Please, that doesn't mean very much anymore. Defeated Mandalore.. Wow, that puts him where exactly? Thought so. Oh and my favorite. He fought a saber duel without the force, omg he's sooo uber. Please.. Unless you can quantify his power in regards to not having the force and having the force, that doesn't put him above Yoda, seeing as how you love using that argument to make him superior.. In conclusion, we're looking for an argument, not your TOTJ bias, so come back when you're ready sport, and crank out that dictionary...
Kun himself was a saber prodigy as well, I don't see what you think you're proving unless it's strawman argument. Sorry, but your biased bullshit opinion that prodigies "don't mean much anymore" (as if they once meant something but for some inexplicable reason don't anymore? Where the **** is that coming from?) is inadmissable.
He defeated Mandalore while standing on rickety chains suspended about a hundred feet in the air while Mandalore was on a Basilisk war droid. Mandalore had all the advantages. Your appeal to ridicule doesn't diminish his feat.
And yes, he fought and stalemated a Jedi in a saber duel without the Force, when the Jedi opponent had the Force and thus could use it to increase her speed, strength, and sense his movements through precognition.
So basically, if neither of them had the Force, you would have to put weights on Ulic's arms and legs and then blindfold him to get the same effect. Oh, and then give his opponent some apparatus by which she can sense Ulic's attacks and blocks. That's how good he is.
I don't see how you don't understand how having the Force benefits someone in saber combat. If Ulic was that good without the Force, he was far better with it, at the height of the Sith War.
I'd like to see Yoda do jack shit without the Force. I doubt he'd be able to make one ridiculous spinning leap before getting cut in half.
I believe you lack the comphrension to properly define "troll", so you just flat out say it nowadays when you have absolutely no argument, which is ok since you're only one on here that can't admit defeat.
Oh, right. Almost forgot:
Troll, n.
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.
Originally posted by IKC
Actually, we know that Vodo, for example, would thrash him. I'd place my money on Arca and Odan-Urr to beat him as well. He also barely got close to defeating a closeted Sith Lord/politician, Sidious. Doesn't much speak well for Yoda's skills when such a relatively weak opponent can hold him back and come so close to his level.In conclusion, his ability to fight without the force doesn't make him more powerful than Yoda, unless you can quantify his power. Neither does being called a lightsaber prodigy..
Oh yeah, he's "unrivaled."Kun himself was a saber prodigy as well, I don't see what you think you're proving unless it's strawman argument. Sorry, but your biased bullshit opinion that prodigies "don't mean much anymore" (as if they once meant something but for some inexplicable reason don't anymore? Where the **** is that coming from?) is inadmissable.
He defeated Mandalore while standing on rickety chains suspended about a hundred feet in the air while Mandalore was on a Basilisk war droid. Mandalore had all the advantages. Your appeal to ridicule doesn't diminish his feat.
And yes, he fought and stalemated a Jedi in a saber duel without the Force, when the Jedi opponent had the Force and thus could use it to increase her speed, strength, and sense his movements through precognition.
So basically, if neither of them had the Force, you would have to put weights on Ulic's arms and legs and then blindfold him to get the same effect. Oh, and then give his opponent some apparatus by which she can sense Ulic's attacks and blocks. That's how good he is.
I don't see how you don't understand how having the Force benefits someone in saber combat. If Ulic was that good without the Force, he was far better with it, at the height of the Sith War.
I'd like to see Yoda do jack shit without the Force. I doubt he'd be able to make one ridiculous spinning leap before getting cut in half.
We know Vodo would thrash him? And your proof of this is what? Let me guess, "(oh it was a martial time therefore Vodo pwns Yoda". Please..And if you read carefully you'd see I meant unrivaled in his time.. Everything else you've just listed includes irrelevant feats because none of them make them superior to Yoda. Oh yea and btw, you adding your 'strawman is a logical fallacy' was predictale. Calling me biased when that's all you've ever been from day 1 is hypocrisy, look it up. I don't see how you fail to understand that unless you properly quantify his power, you can't state that that feat alone puts him above Yoda, just because we see him fighting and losing without the force. If I tell you that what's his name had the power of 375 planets, you are going to ask me to quantify his power. But when I put your favorite character/s in the same position you think it's irrelevant. At least be more consistent and less biased.
We know Vodo would thrash him? And your proof of this is what?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t392447.html
Read the thread. Hell, you created it.
And if you read carefully you'd see I meant unrivaled in his time
And I answered that with Sidious. Throw in Dooku as well.
Everything else you've just listed includes irrelevant feats because none of them make them superior to Yoda.
What's it like to wear blinders?
Oh yea and btw, you adding your 'strawman is a logical fallacy' was predictale.
Well, considering you made a strawman argument, I would hope it would be.
Calling me biased when that's all you've ever been from day 1 is hypocrisy, look it up.
Alright champ. Sure thing.
I don't see how you fail to understand that unless you properly quantify his power, you can't state that that feat alone puts him above Yoda, just because we see him fighting and losing without the force.
Actually we see him fighting and stalemating without the Force. He didn't lose.
That feat placed in context with all else we know about him and his skills puts him far above Yoda. Sorry, arguments don't happen in a void.
If I tell you that what's his name had the power of 375 planets, you are going to ask me to quantify his power.
Because otherwise you're throwing out an irrelevant number designed to make the easily-impressed cream their jeans. We saw he wasn't able to overcome the power of just one Jedi, so it obviously wasn't much.
But when I put your favorite character/s in the same position you think it's irrelevant.
Except you... haven't. Your idea of argument and debate is cute, though.
At least be more consistent and less biased.
I'd go dig up Faunus' quote, but I'm sure you've seen it enough.
Your opinion means as much to me as Hans Zimmer's ball sweat.