Originally posted by Great Vengeance
No I dont.You are not worthy of that honor I am afraid. You are but an insignificant beetle, and utterly beneath my notice. Move along, and go eat your daily dung.
Honor? You call that petty little vengeance an honor?
More like a small annoyance in which I could easily brush off.
That's it. Now you're dead.
I thought you said you've stopped?
First of all, there was no questions from my side of the argument. Only questions of proof from you in which I provided.
Okay.
Of course it would happen! Hell, it already happened.
You just fail to realize that because you're a damn fanboy.
I meant Kit losing to Mallet. Of course, that’d never happen, though.
An unorthodox style is nothing compared to Teras Kasi! Teras Kasi just happens to be one of the deadliest and most mentioned Martial Art in the Star Wars Universe. And Maul just happens to be a practitioner.
Kit was attacking in ways Obi-Wan never thought possible in CD, moving his body here and there, as if he was some kind of martial hurricane. Teras Kasi may be a powerful fighting form, but is it enough to defeat someone like Kit? No one could even TOUCH kit in cestus deception. He was dodging attacks from EVERY corner. Kit has the ability to move his vertebrae in ways humans and zabraks such as Maul could only dream of. The question is, how would Maul know how to react to Kit’s unorthodox moves? Just because he’s a martial artist doesn’t mean he knows everything.
Actually, you should start finding proof as to how Kit is going to be able to hit a Sith Assassin with the training of Teras Kasi.
And how is Maul going to hit a Jedi with the abilities Kit has? Kit has speed and strength, comparable if not higher than Maul’s. He also has EXTREME flexibility.
Besides unlimited vertebrae and an array of punches from his biological skills.
Well, he’s got speed (as stated earlier), strength and a ton of flexibility (obviously surpassing Maul's).
Hey, let me tell you something.
At least Maul was suprised and he had just finished killing one of the greatest Jedi Masters.
A little off topic; but did anyone else notice that, as Kenobi jumped up, Maul had his saber ignited, and then when he came around to slash Maul, it was off? Or was that just me? Nothing to do with this debate, I’m just wondering…
Anyway, you have a point there. But Maul’s overconfidence led to his downfall, as is usually the case with the sith.
Kit was expecting Sidious and he got pwned.
No, this is where you’re wrong. Kit did not expect to be attacked at that moment. The reason why he span round in the first place was because he figured that Sidious was already distracted with Mace, hence he thought he had plenty of time to pull of his “finishing move”. He did not expect Sidious to turn round and slash him across the waist during his own attack, thus he was surprised also.
And if it wasn't, his emotions could be dark enough to hurt Kit, seeing as we've seen people get hurt before when they try to read Maul.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’ve only seen one alien get hurt by Maul’s mind, and that was an IKTOCHI!!! Again, I don’t see how emotions of all things are able to hurt Kit’s tentacles, if anything Kit would just be a little surprised of Maul’s extreme anger and hatred.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
[BNo, this is where you’re wrong. Kit did not expect to be attacked at that moment. The reason why he span round in the first place was because he figured that Sidious was already distracted with Mace, hence he thought he had plenty of time to pull of his “finishing move”. He did not expect Sidious to turn round and slash him across the waist during his own attack, thus he was surprised also.[/B]
I'm sure you know exactly what Kit Fisto was thinking, at that exact point in time. I bet Qui-Gon didn't expect to be stabbed through the chest either. If he did, he would have blocked it. Qui-Gon was in the middle of an attack too, but I'm sure that your lame-ass argument makes that void, right? This is honestly the worst argument... umm... wait.. lemme check ... ever.
Anakin didn't expect to be zapped in Episode 2.
Anakin didn't expect to get his legs cut off in Episode 3.
A stormtrooper didn't expect to get shot in Episode 4.
Luke didn't expect to get his hand chopped off in Episode 5.
Boba didn't expect to get his gun chopped in Episode 6.
They were all in the middle of attacking. You know what that makes them? Either stupid or just plain worse. Get over it. Sidious just slashed him because he's better. I'm sick of this.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
I'm sure you know exactly what Kit Fisto was thinking, at that exact point in time. I bet Qui-Gon didn't expect to be stabbed through the chest either. If he did, he would have blocked it. Qui-Gon was in the middle of an attack too, but I'm sure that your lame-ass argument makes that void, right? This is honestly the worst argument... umm... wait.. lemme check ... ever.Anakin didn't expect to be zapped in Episode 2.
Anakin didn't expect to get his legs cut off in Episode 3.
A stormtrooper didn't expect to get shot in Episode 4.
Luke didn't expect to get his hand chopped off in Episode 5.
Boba didn't expect to get his gun chopped in Episode 6.They were all in the middle of attacking. You know what that makes them? Either stupid or just plain worse. Get over it. Sidious just slashed him because he's better. I'm sick of this.
Bravo
Medvock, you've earned the title of . . .
FILIBUSTER!
I thought you said you've stopped?
I lied.
Okay.
Good. I'm glad you agree.
I meant Kit losing to Mallet. Of course, that’d never happen, though.
Mallet? Who the hell is that?
Kit was attacking in ways Obi-Wan never thought possible in CD, moving his body here and there, as if he was some kind of martial hurricane. Teras Kasi may be a powerful fighting form, but is it enough to defeat someone like Kit? No one could even TOUCH kit in cestus deception. He was dodging attacks from EVERY corner. Kit has the ability to move his vertebrae in ways humans and zabraks such as Maul could only dream of. The question is, how would Maul know how to react to Kit’s unorthodox moves? Just because he’s a martial artist doesn’t mean he knows everything.
F*CK, I'M GETTING TIRED OF YOU!
How the HELL is Kit going to even DREAM of touching a Teras Kasi User? How is he going to deal with a Sith Assassin? Something he has never gone up against, huh? Maul has gone against Jedi Masters . . . And won. He's gone up against unlimited vertebrae faggits . . . And won.
Kenobi's opinion is irrelevant. He was a dumb ass knight who thought everything was amazing because of his lack of experience.
And how is Maul going to hit a Jedi with the abilities Kit has? Kit has speed and strength, comparable if not higher than Maul’s. He also has EXTREME flexibility.
You cannot say Kit is stronger than Maul. They're parallel at the minimum, you FANBOY!!!!!
Maul is flexible as well! And has spent his ENTIRE LIFE Fighting, killing, maiming and destroying! He is a bred KILLING MACHINE! He would tear Kit to shreds just like Sidious did!
ARGHHHHHHHHHH!
Well, he’s got speed (as stated earlier), strength and a ton of flexibility (obviously surpassing Maul's).
How does he have speed surpassing Mauls? That's bullshit.
You haven't provided proof of Kit being faster than Maul. You've only said that Kit is more flexible (FOR THE F*CKING BILLIONTH TIME)
Maul has strength too, if not more!
A little off topic; but did anyone else notice that, as Kenobi jumped up, Maul had his saber ignited, and then when he came around to slash Maul, it was off? Or was that just me? Nothing to do with this debate, I’m just wondering…
Anyway, you have a point there. But Maul’s overconfidence led to his downfall, as is usually the case with the sith.
I was replying to your Off Topic Fanboyism, Hypocrite.
Maul was suprised by the attack.
Databank Sez:
"Kenobi was able to surprise Maul, and cleave him in half with his saber."
Oh and Last time I checked, Maul had outmaneuvered Kenobi to get him in that pit in the first place, Medvock.
No, this is where you’re wrong. Kit did not expect to be attacked at that moment. The reason why he span round in the first place was because he figured that Sidious was already distracted with Mace, hence he thought he had plenty of time to pull of his “finishing move”. He did not expect Sidious to turn round and slash him across the waist during his own attack, thus he was surprised also.
Spun around? That happened?
Wait, it didn't! Kit was making an overhead attack. He had his Lightsaber over his head and tried to come down on Palpatine when Palpatine slashed him with enormous speed, sending him to his death.
Kit expected death. He knew the possibility and he knew that the Sith Lord was perfectly capable of kicking his ass, which happened.
Either that or he didn't have the skill to keep up with a Sith.
That's exactly what happened.
Here's what I saw in the Episode III Script:
"A close shot of PALPATINE as the fight begins. Close shots of THREE JEDI getting cut down by PALPATINE. PALPATINE and MACE continue to fight.
"
Hahaha! Owned!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’ve only seen one alien get hurt by Maul’s mind, and that was an IKTOCHI!!! Again, I don’t see how emotions of all things are able to hurt Kit’s tentacles, if anything Kit would just be a little surprised of Maul’s extreme anger and hatred.
The Iktotchi was trying to sense his emotions included and he died.
I'm sure the Iktotchi was suprised too.
Yeah, Maul was raised for the purpose of killing Jedi and Qui-Gon was without a doubt one of the best swordsmen in the Jedi order...while it may just be Maul's arrogance, Maul reflets that a jedi like Plo Koon or Mace Windu'd be a good test for him...he'd tear Kit apart.
I don't think the Iktochi died though...just rendered into an insane, catatonic state
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah, Maul was raised for the purpose of killing Jedi and Qui-Gon was without a doubt one of the best swordsmen in the Jedi order...while it may just be Maul's arrogance, Maul reflets that a jedi like Plo Koon or Mace Windu'd be a good test for him...he'd tear Kit apart.I don't think the Iktochi died though...just rendered into an insane, catatonic state
He had a bleeding nose and fell to the ground without moving.
I think he died.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
But seriously, MEDVOCK complains that people haven't read TCD, but has he read Shadow Hunter or any of the Maul comics, where Maul unleashes quite a bit of whoop-ass?
Well, according to him everything we've posted he already knows. So, I guess he already knows Maul would open a can of "whoop-ass" on Kit, but just since he loves the Nautolan, Kit "Fisto'fury", he refuses to accept the truth.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step, Medvock. I'm here for you.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Although I appreciate your efforts, nothing you stated was new to me. I am aware that Teras Kasi is a powerful fighting form, and Maul has owned many with it. But Kit is a rather different opponent. His skills in unarmed fighting have been mentioned very few times in the star wars universe, but what is stated is rather memorable. Obi-Wan regards Kit with Awe, describing his moves as unpredictable and irresistible. The book describes Kit’s moves as absolute fluidity, one motion flowing into the next, without a wasted effort. Whoever Kit touched went down. And those who went down, stayed down.[b]Right, as I pointed at Teräs Käsi artists don't tire easily. How is he going to dodged a trained professional's attacks? Again, the whole "unorthodox" bit means nothing, as we see Teräs Käsi practioniors blocking and counterattacking with relative ease.
Kit’s unorthodox fighting style would make it very difficult for Maul to figure out how to react to his unique moves. According to Cestus Deception, Kit can move his body in two and three directions simultaneously in order to dodge attacks. He may be no martial artist, but his overwhelming abilities in the force and unlimited vertebrae would make it easy to detect Maul’s oncoming blows and dodge them in time.
Just take a real life example, can the most flexible person in the god damn world dodge every attack from a martial arts master?
Hmm… good question. I honestly don’t know. But relating it to this fight is utterly ridiculous. Kit Fisto isn’t just flexible; he’s EXTREMELY flexible. He has also a very large build, comparative to maul in fact, so even if he is not able to dodge Maul’s every move he should have the endurance to withstand them.
Here's the short answer: Hell no.
That’s only one answer. There’s also; no, yes, hell yes, maybe, prolly not, dunno, etc, etc. I go for Dunno. I need to know more about this ultra flexible person to make a fair judgement. Like, does he have an unlimited vertebrae, like kit?
Good thing for Maul that he's already gotten the experience and training to become more flexible, agile, evasive, and graceful.
Unfortunately, though, he will never be as flexible, agile, evasive and graceful as Kit.
You claim Kit "Fisto'fury" can dodge every attack from a master. It's concluded: you're a delusion fanboy with nothing but ridiculous assumptions. If he can dodge a master of unarmed combat's moves, I see no reason why he couldn't have dodged a lightsaber from someone who is superior.
I claim that Kit Fisto’s vertebrae gives him the ability (note the use of the word ability) to dodge Maul’s attacks. I am not a delusional fanboy, I am merely using background facts from such sources as the Cestus Deception, AOTC and others to support my statements. Obviously, the use of unlimited vertebrae would differ tremendously in lightsaber combat. If you had just spun round 360 degrees to deliver a finishing blow, and suddenly you are slashed across the waist DURING THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ATTACK, how would you be able to react in time?
None of your crazed assertions are supported by sources that seem to be just a tad bit (well, actually a hell of a lot more) official than you.
I have this strange feeling that you have not read Cestus Deception. Most of my statements come from there. The rest is just plain common sense.
Several times actually. In the movies, once -- we see him go to Tattooine several times outside of the movies, however. Terrain advantage obviously goes to Maul, even it's as simple as the weather.
I still don’t see how this is so. Even if it is hot, Kit will not be at a disadvantage because of it. Read my other post.
This means he can dodge everything, do whatever he wants? Kit isn't a god, so stop worshipping him. Maul's displayed acts of agility and grace fluently without this ridiculous "unlimited vertebrae".
But the thing is, Kit has too. He was described as a warrior of absolute fluidity in Cestus Deception. No one could even touch him. His moves were extremely fast; Obi-Wan describing them as a blur to the human eye. He was dodging moves from every corner, with grace that awed one of the highest Jedi Master’s of the order. He somersaulted and span on his vertical axis as if he were a carnival acrobat, landing without even making a sound. How is unlimited vertebrae ridiculous? Just that alone gives Kit a substantial advantage over Maul.
You admitted in a previous post that if Maul's mind is clouded by the Darkside, he won't be able to detect jack. Therefore quit bringing it up, not to mention -- Maul's cocky, I highly doubt he'd be uncertain of his skills.
That’s to say if such a thing even affects Kit’s tentacles when detecting emotion.
Kit Fisto isn't The Flash, he can't dodge all of Maul's attacks. A master's attacks nonetheless. Quit saying "z0mg but k1t has t3h v3rti-BRA! h3 c4n d0dg3 all!///!!?!!!", because quite frankly, he can't.
You incompetent fool. If Maul kicked Kit, he could merely bend his back right over to dodge it, then grab his foot and rip his leg out of its roots. Kit HAS the ability to dodge all of Maul’s attacks. You obviously have not read Cestus Deception. And stop saying shit like that! Geez! Your attempts of making me look like a fool are backfired when you say that "Z0mG K1t R0x" crap.
And how much does Kit know of Teräs Käsi? Either way, Yoda's "unorthodox" fighting style didn't demolish everyone with relative ease as we see (or rather don't see).
Why would Kit need to know Teras Kasi? Yoda’s fighting form (IV) is well known in the Jedi Order, and is not an impossible fighting form to defeat. Due to his size and age, Yoda literally had to have the force empower him during his battles, in order for him to lay such powerful attacks. Although it is presented in a way considered unorthodox, his fighting form is far from it.
Oh lord, how is binocular vision going to save Kit from a boot to the head? Maul won't be 50 feet away, his boot will be in Kit's face.
Kit’s wide eyes allow him to see in numerous angles. Thus, if Maul comes from his right, Kit would be able to see this with ease.
“-renowned courage”
...Should I really even have to address this?
Adress what? Kit was renowned for his courage in battles. He was a fearless combatant and was known to face any enemy. Maul, of course, is fearless too, considering he’s a sith. But for a Jedi to be as courageous as Kit is quite something.
Hm, he doesn't have four feet over Maul. If anything, it's not even an advantage as I could say someone shorter has just as many advantages (if you want me to list them, I will), but clearly it doesn't matter all that much, seeing as Kit isn't Goliath, and Maul isn't David (if he were, that'd only be better seeing as he David tools the shit out of Goliath).
Even so, the fact that he is taller and has a larger build (he is bigger than Maul over all) may help Kit out someway or another. And let’s not go into this “height” debate again.
I thought you were listing Kit's advantages. I'm no Maul fangirl either, unlike you who is deluded with the thought of Kit's Nautolan phallus.
That....picture....in....my....mind.... EUGH! You sick... woman!
Yes, proving you are a fanboy, who doesn't think of anything other than Kit's "member".
Well, it looks as if Kit’s gonna need me for this. Considering I’m the only one here debating on his behalf. [/B]
Just incase you wanted to reply to that Motoko, it was a reply to your initial can o' whoopass you unleashed on him two pages ago.